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		By: Abraxas		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Hypothetical:

They told Epstein if he didn’t kill himself, they would torture him.
They drugged the guards and disabled the cameras.
He killed himself.&quot;

That&#039;s more or less my thinking.  It&#039;s possible that he already knew that he&#039;d have to kill himself to avoid being killed, or that he just didn&#039;t want to do any &quot;hard time.&quot;  They could also have paid off one or more of the guards -- if the guard wasn&#039;t already working for them.

I&#039;m hearing rumors that the investigation of the first Trump assassination attempt has been closed -- with many questions unresolved.  I don&#039;t see confirmation of that online, or any information about where the investigation is at this point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hypothetical:</p>
<p>They told Epstein if he didn’t kill himself, they would torture him.<br />
They drugged the guards and disabled the cameras.<br />
He killed himself.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s more or less my thinking.  It&#8217;s possible that he already knew that he&#8217;d have to kill himself to avoid being killed, or that he just didn&#8217;t want to do any &#8220;hard time.&#8221;  They could also have paid off one or more of the guards &#8212; if the guard wasn&#8217;t already working for them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hearing rumors that the investigation of the first Trump assassination attempt has been closed &#8212; with many questions unresolved.  I don&#8217;t see confirmation of that online, or any information about where the investigation is at this point.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 18:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[dobyi no probyi, where is the evidence, I don&#039;t rule out evidence, but I need some, or not does it really matter, well prosecutions of his associates would be good,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dobyi no probyi, where is the evidence, I don&#8217;t rule out evidence, but I need some, or not does it really matter, well prosecutions of his associates would be good,</p>
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		By: Keith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 17:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you watched the whole interview , when Bartiromo asked the Epstein question the demeanor of Kash and Dan changed drastically . Kash was talking with out answering and Dan was obviously  scared. I had high hopes for this pair, but someone made an offer they couldn’t refuse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you watched the whole interview , when Bartiromo asked the Epstein question the demeanor of Kash and Dan changed drastically . Kash was talking with out answering and Dan was obviously  scared. I had high hopes for this pair, but someone made an offer they couldn’t refuse.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 14:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Teachers are hired at Dalton by committee and the committee includes the Headmaster. In this case, Barr.&lt;/i&gt;
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Same procedure invariably applied and unmodified for 60 years? And applicable when the headmaster is clearing out his desk?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Teachers are hired at Dalton by committee and the committee includes the Headmaster. In this case, Barr.</i><br />
==<br />
Same procedure invariably applied and unmodified for 60 years? And applicable when the headmaster is clearing out his desk?</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 14:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@neo:&lt;i&gt;You commented on that thread in a way that indicated you were aware that other cases were very weak&lt;/i&gt;

I said I thought that specifically those accusations brought by Virginia Giuffre were weak. She&#039;s not the sole person trafficked. That one of the people trafficked has been making unreliable accusations doesn&#039;t mean that all of them are.

The charges you linked to clearly state multiple women were trafficked. But they mention only Epstein as the person trafficked to. So it&#039;s like they&#039;re charging him with dealing drugs to himself. None of these multiple other women have any evidence of anyone but Epstein involved? Not even enough to bring before a grand jury?

Not easy to believe, but then the narrative has been so poisoned by media hype especially of Giuffre&#039;s accusations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@neo:<i>You commented on that thread in a way that indicated you were aware that other cases were very weak</i></p>
<p>I said I thought that specifically those accusations brought by Virginia Giuffre were weak. She&#8217;s not the sole person trafficked. That one of the people trafficked has been making unreliable accusations doesn&#8217;t mean that all of them are.</p>
<p>The charges you linked to clearly state multiple women were trafficked. But they mention only Epstein as the person trafficked to. So it&#8217;s like they&#8217;re charging him with dealing drugs to himself. None of these multiple other women have any evidence of anyone but Epstein involved? Not even enough to bring before a grand jury?</p>
<p>Not easy to believe, but then the narrative has been so poisoned by media hype especially of Giuffre&#8217;s accusations.</p>
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		By: John Galt III		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 14:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

&quot;He was headmaster of the Dalton School from 1964 to 1974.[9] For a brief time, at the end of his tenure as headmaster, disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein was employed as a math teacher. It is unclear whether Barr hired Epstein.[10][11] In 1973, Barr published Space Relations, a science fiction novel about a planet ruled by oligarchs who engage in child sex slavery. It has been noted that the plot of the novel anticipates the crimes of Epstein and his accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell.[12]&quot;

Teachers are hired  at Dalton by committee and the committee includes the Headmaster. In this case, Barr.

Yeah, no connection whatsoever. Everyone in NYC knows if you are a committed Leftist and want a safe Communist school for your precious little Woke child, Dalton is your choice. Then there was the Little Red School House where DeNiro went. Now that was a nuthouse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>&#8220;He was headmaster of the Dalton School from 1964 to 1974.[9] For a brief time, at the end of his tenure as headmaster, disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein was employed as a math teacher. It is unclear whether Barr hired Epstein.[10][11] In 1973, Barr published Space Relations, a science fiction novel about a planet ruled by oligarchs who engage in child sex slavery. It has been noted that the plot of the novel anticipates the crimes of Epstein and his accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell.[12]&#8221;</p>
<p>Teachers are hired  at Dalton by committee and the committee includes the Headmaster. In this case, Barr.</p>
<p>Yeah, no connection whatsoever. Everyone in NYC knows if you are a committed Leftist and want a safe Communist school for your precious little Woke child, Dalton is your choice. Then there was the Little Red School House where DeNiro went. Now that was a nuthouse.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 10:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:   Regarding your 10.39.  The institution has, or is supposed to have had, strong procedures to prevent that.  They all failed, coincidentally.  And then the camera.  Not much of a better look than hiring an executioner.

interesting article on Rantburg:

https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2025/05/20/epstein-family-erupts-with-new-evidence-blasts-dan-bongino-kash-patel-says-they-have-no-idea/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:   Regarding your 10.39.  The institution has, or is supposed to have had, strong procedures to prevent that.  They all failed, coincidentally.  And then the camera.  Not much of a better look than hiring an executioner.</p>
<p>interesting article on Rantburg:</p>
<p><a href="https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2025/05/20/epstein-family-erupts-with-new-evidence-blasts-dan-bongino-kash-patel-says-they-have-no-idea/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2025/05/20/epstein-family-erupts-with-new-evidence-blasts-dan-bongino-kash-patel-says-they-have-no-idea/</a></p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 02:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Who hired Epstein to be a teacher to young people at the The Dalton School @ 89th Street that I used walk by every day on the way to my school on 74th Street in Manhattan.&lt;/i&gt;
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What, you fancy Donald Barr recruited the 21 year old Epstein as a sleeper agent, and arranged for a cover as a math teacher at the Dalton School?
==
The Dalton School has about 1,200 students, and, one would wager, about 120 faculty slots.  Why do you fancy it was Barr who hired him rather than the head of the math department or the vice principal in charge of the secondary school (particularly since Barr was on his way out the door in the spring of 1974)?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Who hired Epstein to be a teacher to young people at the The Dalton School @ 89th Street that I used walk by every day on the way to my school on 74th Street in Manhattan.</i><br />
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What, you fancy Donald Barr recruited the 21 year old Epstein as a sleeper agent, and arranged for a cover as a math teacher at the Dalton School?<br />
==<br />
The Dalton School has about 1,200 students, and, one would wager, about 120 faculty slots.  Why do you fancy it was Barr who hired him rather than the head of the math department or the vice principal in charge of the secondary school (particularly since Barr was on his way out the door in the spring of 1974)?</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 02:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[James S:

I don&#039;t find it at all surprising that he might be strongly motivated to kill himself at that point.

First of all, he was 66 years old. He was facing an almost certain prospect of being in prison for the rest of his natural life and dying there.  He&#039;d already been in prison in Florida for about a year - as a result of a lenient plea deal. So he figured he&#039;d dodged that bullet.  But with the 2019 indictments he knew they meant business, unlike the first time. The party was completely and utterly over. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James S:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t find it at all surprising that he might be strongly motivated to kill himself at that point.</p>
<p>First of all, he was 66 years old. He was facing an almost certain prospect of being in prison for the rest of his natural life and dying there.  He&#8217;d already been in prison in Florida for about a year &#8211; as a result of a lenient plea deal. So he figured he&#8217;d dodged that bullet.  But with the 2019 indictments he knew they meant business, unlike the first time. The party was completely and utterly over. </p>
<p>.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 02:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the probabilities are independent, whatever the resulting number, that&#039;s more generous than presuming corruption.  It&#039;s like...one chance in a hundred it&#039;s innocent.  
However, early reports were that the place was run pretty well.  That means corruption or incompetence were either absent or of minimal effect over time.

So skip the guards.  The first procedure times the third.  Still not a good number.  And, while I have no idea how often the cameras malfunction on their own, I&#039;d presume one which does frequently could be replaced without a contract activity similar to those discovered by DOGE.  IOW, close to the last one&#039;s screw up.  

So procedure one is one over five and maybe more realistically, procedure three is one over one hundred.  

And it happened to EPSTEIN, not some anonymous schlub nobody ever heard of.  That chance was....?  Not to mention that the dude was one some unknown but large number of influential people wanted quiet and, of those, a substantial portion could be seen as in a position to see it happens.

Okay, fallback position was that Epstein was set up to kill himself.  And it was deliberate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the probabilities are independent, whatever the resulting number, that&#8217;s more generous than presuming corruption.  It&#8217;s like&#8230;one chance in a hundred it&#8217;s innocent.<br />
However, early reports were that the place was run pretty well.  That means corruption or incompetence were either absent or of minimal effect over time.</p>
<p>So skip the guards.  The first procedure times the third.  Still not a good number.  And, while I have no idea how often the cameras malfunction on their own, I&#8217;d presume one which does frequently could be replaced without a contract activity similar to those discovered by DOGE.  IOW, close to the last one&#8217;s screw up.  </p>
<p>So procedure one is one over five and maybe more realistically, procedure three is one over one hundred.  </p>
<p>And it happened to EPSTEIN, not some anonymous schlub nobody ever heard of.  That chance was&#8230;.?  Not to mention that the dude was one some unknown but large number of influential people wanted quiet and, of those, a substantial portion could be seen as in a position to see it happens.</p>
<p>Okay, fallback position was that Epstein was set up to kill himself.  And it was deliberate.</p>
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