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		By: R2L		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[“How do they get them off?”

I was thinking along the lines of &quot;use paint remover?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“How do they get them off?”</p>
<p>I was thinking along the lines of &#8220;use paint remover?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2025 19:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“How do they get them off?”

They don’t want to (at least not for now).
Here’s why:

“80% Of French Women Want The Army Deployed In French Cities To Protect Them”—
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/80-french-women-want-army-deployed-french-cities-protect-them]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“How do they get them off?”</p>
<p>They don’t want to (at least not for now).<br />
Here’s why:</p>
<p>“80% Of French Women Want The Army Deployed In French Cities To Protect Them”—<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/80-french-women-want-army-deployed-french-cities-protect-them" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/80-french-women-want-army-deployed-french-cities-protect-them</a></p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2025 19:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One answer to why electrons don&#039;t really spin is that if an electron were spinning its &quot;circumference&quot; would be moving faster than light speed. They&#039;d have to be far bigger than they could possibly be.

&quot;Circumference&quot; in quotes because they don&#039;t seem to have a circumference either. Sometimes it&#039;s easier to think of electrons as a set of numbers: it&#039;s got mass, charge, and spin, and a few other numbers, but it doesn&#039;t have like a volume or a surface or a shape.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One answer to why electrons don&#8217;t really spin is that if an electron were spinning its &#8220;circumference&#8221; would be moving faster than light speed. They&#8217;d have to be far bigger than they could possibly be.</p>
<p>&#8220;Circumference&#8221; in quotes because they don&#8217;t seem to have a circumference either. Sometimes it&#8217;s easier to think of electrons as a set of numbers: it&#8217;s got mass, charge, and spin, and a few other numbers, but it doesn&#8217;t have like a volume or a surface or a shape.</p>
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		By: Chuck		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2025 18:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I believe it was Pauli who showed that they could not be classically spinning.&lt;/i&gt;

Goutsmit: I think I still have Heisenberg&#039;s letter. In it he writes a formula ......... I did not understand a bit of it. And then he says somewhere: &quot;What have you done with the factor 2?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I believe it was Pauli who showed that they could not be classically spinning.</i></p>
<p>Goutsmit: I think I still have Heisenberg&#8217;s letter. In it he writes a formula &#8230;&#8230;&#8230; I did not understand a bit of it. And then he says somewhere: &#8220;What have you done with the factor 2?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2025 17:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Mike Plaiss:&lt;i&gt;“...spin” won out over intrinsic angular momentum is that one has nine syllables and the oner just one.&lt;/i&gt;

Simple enough to construct a short Greek or Latin term. Like &quot;rota&quot; or something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike Plaiss:<i>“&#8230;spin” won out over intrinsic angular momentum is that one has nine syllables and the oner just one.</i></p>
<p>Simple enough to construct a short Greek or Latin term. Like &#8220;rota&#8221; or something.</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2025 14:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, &quot;spin&quot; is a shortcut term that can be very misleading...especially to the public and also sophomore physics students.   Then add to the confusion with the idea of spin &quot;up&quot; and spin &quot;down&quot;, which again brings out the mental picture of a little ball spinning clockwise or counter clockwise.  

Sigh...then as seniors trying to break them away from such to the more abstract, and correct, view of   1/2hbar(1 0), and -1/2hbar(0 1) with the 3 spin matrices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, &#8220;spin&#8221; is a shortcut term that can be very misleading&#8230;especially to the public and also sophomore physics students.   Then add to the confusion with the idea of spin &#8220;up&#8221; and spin &#8220;down&#8221;, which again brings out the mental picture of a little ball spinning clockwise or counter clockwise.  </p>
<p>Sigh&#8230;then as seniors trying to break them away from such to the more abstract, and correct, view of   1/2hbar(1 0), and -1/2hbar(0 1) with the 3 spin matrices.</p>
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		By: Mike Plaiss		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2025 13:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[True. I believe it was Pauli who showed that they could not be classically spinning. My guess as to why “spin” won out over intrinsic angular momentum is that one has nine syllables and the oner just one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. I believe it was Pauli who showed that they could not be classically spinning. My guess as to why “spin” won out over intrinsic angular momentum is that one has nine syllables and the oner just one.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2025 13:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Although the spinning electron still had never been physically observed&lt;/i&gt;

Spoiler alert: it never would be. &quot;Spin&quot; is a metaphor. Electrons don&#039;t literally spin. They have intrinsic angular momentum, true, but don&#039;t have a way to spin like tops.

This is one complaint I have about physics in the last century, the move to give cute names in English to things that in earlier centuries would have been Latin or Greek. I think this just confuses people. 

The English names are just metaphors or maybe mnemonics for abstract properties, like the &quot;color&quot; of quarks. At least with Latin or Greek a new word had been constructed that didn&#039;t confuse people by being a commonly-used word.

&lt;i&gt;No wonder Dirac boasted that his theory described “most of physics and all of chemistry.”&lt;/i&gt;

Dirac is another one, like Maxwell, who deserves to be as well  known with the public as Einstein or Newton.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Although the spinning electron still had never been physically observed</i></p>
<p>Spoiler alert: it never would be. &#8220;Spin&#8221; is a metaphor. Electrons don&#8217;t literally spin. They have intrinsic angular momentum, true, but don&#8217;t have a way to spin like tops.</p>
<p>This is one complaint I have about physics in the last century, the move to give cute names in English to things that in earlier centuries would have been Latin or Greek. I think this just confuses people. </p>
<p>The English names are just metaphors or maybe mnemonics for abstract properties, like the &#8220;color&#8221; of quarks. At least with Latin or Greek a new word had been constructed that didn&#8217;t confuse people by being a commonly-used word.</p>
<p><i>No wonder Dirac boasted that his theory described “most of physics and all of chemistry.”</i></p>
<p>Dirac is another one, like Maxwell, who deserves to be as well  known with the public as Einstein or Newton.</p>
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		By: Mike Plaiss		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2025 12:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I have a lot of trouble with Dirac. This balancing on the dizzying path between genius and madness is awful!.&lt;/i&gt; - Albert Einstein.

A nice summary of the Dirac Equation by Edmund Blair Bolles:

&lt;blockquote&gt; On January 2, 1928, Paul Dirac submitted a paper to the Royal Society which, in the words of a Danish historian of science, “marked the end of the pioneering and heroic era of quantum mechanics.” Dirac’s paper managed what Schrödinger had failed to do two years earlier, link special relativity and quantum waves.
 
When Schrödinger first tried to include Einstein’s relativistic mechanics in his wave equation, he did not know about electron spin. Although the spinning electron still had never been physically observed, its effects had been measured. A spinning electric charge produces a magnetic field. Electrons carry a charge and generate a magnetic field; hence, electrons must be spinning. Using this extra knowledge, Dirac had created a miraculously exact rule for calculating the electrodynamics of the atom.
 
The Dirac equation (actually a set of four equations compressed into one complex expression) can be used to compute the magnetism of electrons. The answer it gives is precisely the one that experimentalists find in the lab. This discovery was the quantum theory’s equivalent of Einstein’s success at computing Mercury’s orbit.
 
Classical notions had failed to predict the observed ratio between the electron’s spin rate and its magnetic strength, so when Dirac’s equation calculated perfectly the experimentally observed values, physicists had no choice but to nod respectfully.
 
Dirac’s equation could also give the correct values in situations where Schrödinger’s equation did work. The Bose-Einstein statistics, too, were folded into the Dirac equation, along with Planck’s original quantum equation and Einstein’s E = h?. Even Einstein’s most famous baby, E = mc2, was built into the Dirac equation. No wonder Dirac boasted that his theory described “most of physics and all of chemistry.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have a lot of trouble with Dirac. This balancing on the dizzying path between genius and madness is awful!.</i> &#8211; Albert Einstein.</p>
<p>A nice summary of the Dirac Equation by Edmund Blair Bolles:</p>
<blockquote><p> On January 2, 1928, Paul Dirac submitted a paper to the Royal Society which, in the words of a Danish historian of science, “marked the end of the pioneering and heroic era of quantum mechanics.” Dirac’s paper managed what Schrödinger had failed to do two years earlier, link special relativity and quantum waves.</p>
<p>When Schrödinger first tried to include Einstein’s relativistic mechanics in his wave equation, he did not know about electron spin. Although the spinning electron still had never been physically observed, its effects had been measured. A spinning electric charge produces a magnetic field. Electrons carry a charge and generate a magnetic field; hence, electrons must be spinning. Using this extra knowledge, Dirac had created a miraculously exact rule for calculating the electrodynamics of the atom.</p>
<p>The Dirac equation (actually a set of four equations compressed into one complex expression) can be used to compute the magnetism of electrons. The answer it gives is precisely the one that experimentalists find in the lab. This discovery was the quantum theory’s equivalent of Einstein’s success at computing Mercury’s orbit.</p>
<p>Classical notions had failed to predict the observed ratio between the electron’s spin rate and its magnetic strength, so when Dirac’s equation calculated perfectly the experimentally observed values, physicists had no choice but to nod respectfully.</p>
<p>Dirac’s equation could also give the correct values in situations where Schrödinger’s equation did work. The Bose-Einstein statistics, too, were folded into the Dirac equation, along with Planck’s original quantum equation and Einstein’s E = h?. Even Einstein’s most famous baby, E = mc2, was built into the Dirac equation. No wonder Dirac boasted that his theory described “most of physics and all of chemistry.”</p></blockquote>
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		By: Chuck		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2025 04:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Feynman&#039;s discussion of the double slit experiment has been mentioned, along with creation/destruction operators. I&#039;ll point out that Dirac uses polarized light in his first chapter to illustrate both superposition and the need for a statistical interpretation. The latter is a point skimmed over in the Feynman discussion. I would say that both Feynman and the video follow the pattern of Dirac&#039;s introduction, but find Dirac more acute. Dirac also introduced the creation/destruction operators and coined the name Quantum Mechanics to include what at the time were called Wave Mechanics and Matrix Mechanics. It comprises an abstraction that is more fundamental than the computational mechanics of those two methods.

One of early mysteries that Dirac struggled with was that in relativistic quantum mechanics the number of particles in a system was not fixed. Hence creation/destruction operators. It is hard to realize at this point how big a change in outlook that was, it is very non-classical.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feynman&#8217;s discussion of the double slit experiment has been mentioned, along with creation/destruction operators. I&#8217;ll point out that Dirac uses polarized light in his first chapter to illustrate both superposition and the need for a statistical interpretation. The latter is a point skimmed over in the Feynman discussion. I would say that both Feynman and the video follow the pattern of Dirac&#8217;s introduction, but find Dirac more acute. Dirac also introduced the creation/destruction operators and coined the name Quantum Mechanics to include what at the time were called Wave Mechanics and Matrix Mechanics. It comprises an abstraction that is more fundamental than the computational mechanics of those two methods.</p>
<p>One of early mysteries that Dirac struggled with was that in relativistic quantum mechanics the number of particles in a system was not fixed. Hence creation/destruction operators. It is hard to realize at this point how big a change in outlook that was, it is very non-classical.</p>
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