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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley,
 I fear self-replication.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley,<br />
 I fear self-replication.</p>
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		By: Joincanple		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2025 12:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan on May 9, 2025 at 2:08 am said:
Maybe the colleges can use AI teachers for their phantom students.
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Interesting.  I wonder if colleges who have federal funds halted or decreased over the next three years are scheming out ways to make up the difference by getting the government to fund the tuitions of AI generated “students”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan on May 9, 2025 at 2:08 am said:<br />
Maybe the colleges can use AI teachers for their phantom students.<br />
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Interesting.  I wonder if colleges who have federal funds halted or decreased over the next three years are scheming out ways to make up the difference by getting the government to fund the tuitions of AI generated “students”</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2025 06:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting view of the future.
https://nypost.com/2025/05/08/business/michael-kratsios-on-artificial-intelligence-and-tech-in-the-u-s/
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Michael Kratsios — who may be the most important man you’ve never heard of — is at the tip of the spear when it comes to making sure America dominates AI and every other facet of tech and science.

Kratsios runs the relatively unknown White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), which means he serves as Trump’s top technology advisor and is responsible for tech and science policy across federal agencies.

He is also tasked with ensuring the U.S. leads in science and tech and that it actually benefits the American worker.
...
“The US has shown we can continue to outpace the world in leading edge technology … but the real question is if no one is using it, if the government is not adopting it, if we’re not putting it into practice at the Department of Defense, in our intelligence community, if our greatest American companies … that worries me,” 
...
His biggest concern, he told me, is that the US isn’t adopting our own technology or exporting it as rapidly, as China has done (Deepseek is a notable example).

Actually exporting new technology like an AI stack (the tools and frameworks that build and manage AI), he believes is still something we’re learning to do.

“The US government has been very good at exporting legacy hardware,” he said. “But the ability the US government has in supporting the export of high end technology and software is not very deep.”

Adopting and exporting technology has become a priority — it’s why J.D. Vance went to the AI Summit in Paris and why Trump pushed for a $500 billion AI investment from Masa Son, Larry Ellison, and Sam Altman. 
...
“We have to do better in adopting [our own innovation] here at home and abroad … so that it becomes kind of a de facto technology that everyone uses. Everything should be running on American chips and American models. And we have that opportunity, if we just get our act together and make it happen.”

His first priority is writing an AI action plan — something the President has signed an executive order to do —  that will detail policies America needs to dominate AI. They are still receiving comments from roughly 10,000 people, in a sign of just how significant tech’s reach is. 
...
The other key element of his job is to make sure technology benefits average Americans. 

In the next five years it may mean most Americans have simpler healthcare — faster and more accurate diagnoses — and even a personal assistant.

“It’ll make a lot of those daily activities much more automated and less stressful,” he said. “We have the opportunity to harness these amazing technologies to make the lives of Americans better and to ensure long-term economic and national security. And the only way that we can do this is to intentionally choose it.”
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting view of the future.<br />
<a href="https://nypost.com/2025/05/08/business/michael-kratsios-on-artificial-intelligence-and-tech-in-the-u-s/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2025/05/08/business/michael-kratsios-on-artificial-intelligence-and-tech-in-the-u-s/</a></p>
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Michael Kratsios — who may be the most important man you’ve never heard of — is at the tip of the spear when it comes to making sure America dominates AI and every other facet of tech and science.</p>
<p>Kratsios runs the relatively unknown White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), which means he serves as Trump’s top technology advisor and is responsible for tech and science policy across federal agencies.</p>
<p>He is also tasked with ensuring the U.S. leads in science and tech and that it actually benefits the American worker.<br />
&#8230;<br />
“The US has shown we can continue to outpace the world in leading edge technology … but the real question is if no one is using it, if the government is not adopting it, if we’re not putting it into practice at the Department of Defense, in our intelligence community, if our greatest American companies … that worries me,”<br />
&#8230;<br />
His biggest concern, he told me, is that the US isn’t adopting our own technology or exporting it as rapidly, as China has done (Deepseek is a notable example).</p>
<p>Actually exporting new technology like an AI stack (the tools and frameworks that build and manage AI), he believes is still something we’re learning to do.</p>
<p>“The US government has been very good at exporting legacy hardware,” he said. “But the ability the US government has in supporting the export of high end technology and software is not very deep.”</p>
<p>Adopting and exporting technology has become a priority — it’s why J.D. Vance went to the AI Summit in Paris and why Trump pushed for a $500 billion AI investment from Masa Son, Larry Ellison, and Sam Altman.<br />
&#8230;<br />
“We have to do better in adopting [our own innovation] here at home and abroad … so that it becomes kind of a de facto technology that everyone uses. Everything should be running on American chips and American models. And we have that opportunity, if we just get our act together and make it happen.”</p>
<p>His first priority is writing an AI action plan — something the President has signed an executive order to do —  that will detail policies America needs to dominate AI. They are still receiving comments from roughly 10,000 people, in a sign of just how significant tech’s reach is.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The other key element of his job is to make sure technology benefits average Americans. </p>
<p>In the next five years it may mean most Americans have simpler healthcare — faster and more accurate diagnoses — and even a personal assistant.</p>
<p>“It’ll make a lot of those daily activities much more automated and less stressful,” he said. “We have the opportunity to harness these amazing technologies to make the lives of Americans better and to ensure long-term economic and national security. And the only way that we can do this is to intentionally choose it.”
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2025 06:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe the colleges can use AI teachers for their phantom students.

https://www.breitbart.com/education/2025/05/08/california-state-colleges-handed-millions-of-dollars-in-federal-state-funds-to-fake-students/

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Daily Mail reported that artificial intelligence has infiltrated California colleges in a sophisticated financial aid fraud scheme, particularly in virtual classes. Many of these passive enrollees amount to AI-generated “ghost students.” 
...
This spring, Pugh said she had to remove 11 students, most of them AI bots, from the classroom.

CalMatters said that fraudulent students are becoming more common.

Twenty percent of 2021 college applicants were likely fake, and by January 2024 the number of fake applicants had risen to 25 percent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the colleges can use AI teachers for their phantom students.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.breitbart.com/education/2025/05/08/california-state-colleges-handed-millions-of-dollars-in-federal-state-funds-to-fake-students/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/education/2025/05/08/california-state-colleges-handed-millions-of-dollars-in-federal-state-funds-to-fake-students/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The Daily Mail reported that artificial intelligence has infiltrated California colleges in a sophisticated financial aid fraud scheme, particularly in virtual classes. Many of these passive enrollees amount to AI-generated “ghost students.”<br />
&#8230;<br />
This spring, Pugh said she had to remove 11 students, most of them AI bots, from the classroom.</p>
<p>CalMatters said that fraudulent students are becoming more common.</p>
<p>Twenty percent of 2021 college applicants were likely fake, and by January 2024 the number of fake applicants had risen to 25 percent.</p></blockquote>
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		By: HC68		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2025 04:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A big part of the problem is that there is no AI.  That is, there&#039;s no actual _intelligence_ in an LLM.  Calling LLM&#039;s &#039;AI&#039; is smart marketing and hype, but also fundamentally deceptive and misleading.

I have to agree with the skeptics on this, for the most part.  Education, for most students, is _work_.  This is especially true of the basic skills, which involve a lot of rote repetition and dreary practice.  People have sought forever to find the key to making education fun...and for the mosf part tney&#039;ve failed.  The techniques that work for teaching basic skills and competences almost invariably turn out to be the dreary old boring ones.  I suspect that this is just inherent to the human condition.

I know myself that the teachers I learned the mosf from in elementary school, the ones who _benefitted_ me most, we&#039;re my least favorites at the time.  Why?  Becase they made 6-, 7-, 12-, etc year old me _work_.  Lots of dull boring rote practice drills.  Memorize those boring multiplication tables.  Bad grades if I didn&#039;t study.  No fun.   But looking back I&#039;m grateful to them.

Higher education can be more interesting...but for most students the boring unfun traditional methods like hand written notes and so forth still work best, even there.

I have no problem with calculators in algebra class.  Calculators have _no place_ in long division class, much less addition.  For the most part, open book tests are not tests.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A big part of the problem is that there is no AI.  That is, there&#8217;s no actual _intelligence_ in an LLM.  Calling LLM&#8217;s &#8216;AI&#8217; is smart marketing and hype, but also fundamentally deceptive and misleading.</p>
<p>I have to agree with the skeptics on this, for the most part.  Education, for most students, is _work_.  This is especially true of the basic skills, which involve a lot of rote repetition and dreary practice.  People have sought forever to find the key to making education fun&#8230;and for the mosf part tney&#8217;ve failed.  The techniques that work for teaching basic skills and competences almost invariably turn out to be the dreary old boring ones.  I suspect that this is just inherent to the human condition.</p>
<p>I know myself that the teachers I learned the mosf from in elementary school, the ones who _benefitted_ me most, we&#8217;re my least favorites at the time.  Why?  Becase they made 6-, 7-, 12-, etc year old me _work_.  Lots of dull boring rote practice drills.  Memorize those boring multiplication tables.  Bad grades if I didn&#8217;t study.  No fun.   But looking back I&#8217;m grateful to them.</p>
<p>Higher education can be more interesting&#8230;but for most students the boring unfun traditional methods like hand written notes and so forth still work best, even there.</p>
<p>I have no problem with calculators in algebra class.  Calculators have _no place_ in long division class, much less addition.  For the most part, open book tests are not tests.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2025 02:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems to me the main problem is the question of trust. 
If there is no trust, then there can be no society worth having. Or rather, society disintegrates into total dishonesty, warring tribes, wall to-wall fear and searing hatred:
A veritable Hobbesian “might makes right”.

The Internet, that harbinger—and spreader—of  knowledge, communication, culture, civilization has brought us to the Orwellian point where censorship is GOOD, hatred is GOOD, dishonesty is GOOD, etc.

BUT one can STILL seek and find the truth by reading between the lines, or pixels, to triangulate towards Truth. One can find former Leftists who have changed their minds. One can still find commentators who have not gone insane.
One can still find…disagreement.  

Yes, there is still something and someone to rely on. To believe.

What happens, under AI, if EVERYTHING becomes unreliable because of programming from above, as it were; and/or because of intermittent, unexpected and unverifiable AI hallucinations?

Nothing would/could be reliable. 
Nothing would/could be believable. 
Nothing would/could be verifiable.
Nothing would/could be TRUSTED. 

Just utter chaos, crisis, hatred, demonization, confusion…and fear (which just might remind some of us of the “Biden” regime…). 

We have “learned” that to protect Democracy (and help improve society and people around the globe) our elites believe they have the right and DUTY to destroy Democracy (and destroy individuals). 

Seems to me that a manipulable AI will be the latest and most effective arrow in their quiver.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me the main problem is the question of trust.<br />
If there is no trust, then there can be no society worth having. Or rather, society disintegrates into total dishonesty, warring tribes, wall to-wall fear and searing hatred:<br />
A veritable Hobbesian “might makes right”.</p>
<p>The Internet, that harbinger—and spreader—of  knowledge, communication, culture, civilization has brought us to the Orwellian point where censorship is GOOD, hatred is GOOD, dishonesty is GOOD, etc.</p>
<p>BUT one can STILL seek and find the truth by reading between the lines, or pixels, to triangulate towards Truth. One can find former Leftists who have changed their minds. One can still find commentators who have not gone insane.<br />
One can still find…disagreement.  </p>
<p>Yes, there is still something and someone to rely on. To believe.</p>
<p>What happens, under AI, if EVERYTHING becomes unreliable because of programming from above, as it were; and/or because of intermittent, unexpected and unverifiable AI hallucinations?</p>
<p>Nothing would/could be reliable.<br />
Nothing would/could be believable.<br />
Nothing would/could be verifiable.<br />
Nothing would/could be TRUSTED. </p>
<p>Just utter chaos, crisis, hatred, demonization, confusion…and fear (which just might remind some of us of the “Biden” regime…). </p>
<p>We have “learned” that to protect Democracy (and help improve society and people around the globe) our elites believe they have the right and DUTY to destroy Democracy (and destroy individuals). </p>
<p>Seems to me that a manipulable AI will be the latest and most effective arrow in their quiver.</p>
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		By: David Foster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2025 01:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s the Turing Test...but then there&#039;s now also the Physical Turing Test:

https://x.com/DrJimFan/status/1920504375925223669]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s the Turing Test&#8230;but then there&#8217;s now also the Physical Turing Test:</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/DrJimFan/status/1920504375925223669" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/DrJimFan/status/1920504375925223669</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2025 00:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;@Sennacherib: AI will come, how it’s used will be up to us.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s the plan. 

However, crossbows will never be as smart as us. And we know how crossbows work.

AI is already as smart as most humans on most things. AI can pass the Turing Test. It will keep getting smarter. 

We understand the principles of large language models, but so far it is difficult, often impossible, to know why AI makes a particular decision.

IMO it&#039;s a mistake to consider AI a tool. AI is more like an emerging form of intelligent life that we can use as a tool.

Make no mistake. There are serious risks involved with AI.
_____________________________

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ted Cruz:&lt;/b&gt; How real is the prospect of of killer robots annihilating humanity?
&lt;b&gt;Elon Musk:&lt;/b&gt; 20% likely, maybe 10%.
&lt;b&gt;Ted Cruz:&lt;/b&gt; On what time frame?
&lt;b&gt;Elon Musk:&lt;/b&gt; 5 to 10 years.

&lt;b&gt;--Megyn, Kelly, &quot;AI Robot Starts to Freak Out and Attacks Handler... Should We Be Worried?&quot; (May 7, 2025) &lt;/b&gt;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViIluaPbMBA&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>@Sennacherib: AI will come, how it’s used will be up to us.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s the plan. </p>
<p>However, crossbows will never be as smart as us. And we know how crossbows work.</p>
<p>AI is already as smart as most humans on most things. AI can pass the Turing Test. It will keep getting smarter. </p>
<p>We understand the principles of large language models, but so far it is difficult, often impossible, to know why AI makes a particular decision.</p>
<p>IMO it&#8217;s a mistake to consider AI a tool. AI is more like an emerging form of intelligent life that we can use as a tool.</p>
<p>Make no mistake. There are serious risks involved with AI.<br />
_____________________________</p>
<p><i><b>Ted Cruz:</b> How real is the prospect of of killer robots annihilating humanity?<br />
<b>Elon Musk:</b> 20% likely, maybe 10%.<br />
<b>Ted Cruz:</b> On what time frame?<br />
<b>Elon Musk:</b> 5 to 10 years.</p>
<p><b>&#8211;Megyn, Kelly, &#8220;AI Robot Starts to Freak Out and Attacks Handler&#8230; Should We Be Worried?&#8221; (May 7, 2025) </b><br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViIluaPbMBA" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViIluaPbMBA</a></i></p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2025 22:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Foster,

That was the point of my overly long comment to Bauxite. Technology has finally advanced to the point where we can experience live music like humans did for all but a tiny sliver of humanity; independent artists performing live for small audiences. And now, because performing live also means streaming over the web, it doesn&#039;t have to be geographically local, so independent artists can have enough of a following to earn a living.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Foster,</p>
<p>That was the point of my overly long comment to Bauxite. Technology has finally advanced to the point where we can experience live music like humans did for all but a tiny sliver of humanity; independent artists performing live for small audiences. And now, because performing live also means streaming over the web, it doesn&#8217;t have to be geographically local, so independent artists can have enough of a following to earn a living.</p>
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		By: David Foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2025 21:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Recorded music and radio killed the local orchestras that accompanied silent films, as well as a lot of other local musical activity. There was a movement to protect &#039;real music&#039; from the threat of &#039;canned music&#039;, but it obviously didn&#039;t succeed.

Yet today, an awful lot of people seem to be making money thru music.  I have a nephew who plays drums for a group..they&#039;ve toured in other countries as well as the US,,,and operates a studio to do recording and engineering services for other musicians.  Seems to be doing pretty well, financially.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recorded music and radio killed the local orchestras that accompanied silent films, as well as a lot of other local musical activity. There was a movement to protect &#8216;real music&#8217; from the threat of &#8216;canned music&#8217;, but it obviously didn&#8217;t succeed.</p>
<p>Yet today, an awful lot of people seem to be making money thru music.  I have a nephew who plays drums for a group..they&#8217;ve toured in other countries as well as the US,,,and operates a studio to do recording and engineering services for other musicians.  Seems to be doing pretty well, financially.</p>
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