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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/24/the-moral-equivalence-of-racism/#comment-2799111</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[A famous story told in Utah is about Reed Smoot, an early Senator after the practice of polygamy was outlawed in Utah (the LDS Church calls the religious principle plural marriage and forbade the practice after the laws were passed). 

He was not himself a polygamist. During the Senate hearings to determine if he should be seated or not, one of the other Senators supposedly remarked in Smoot&#039;s favor that he would rather serve with a polygamist who didn&#039;t polyg than a monogamist who didn&#039;t monog.


https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/reed-smoot-hearings?lang=eng

FWIW, the charges against Smoot sound an awful lot like the ones against Republicans today: claims, allegations, news reports in place of evidence, and guilt by association.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Smoot]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A famous story told in Utah is about Reed Smoot, an early Senator after the practice of polygamy was outlawed in Utah (the LDS Church calls the religious principle plural marriage and forbade the practice after the laws were passed). </p>
<p>He was not himself a polygamist. During the Senate hearings to determine if he should be seated or not, one of the other Senators supposedly remarked in Smoot&#8217;s favor that he would rather serve with a polygamist who didn&#8217;t polyg than a monogamist who didn&#8217;t monog.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/reed-smoot-hearings?lang=eng" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/reed-smoot-hearings?lang=eng</a></p>
<p>FWIW, the charges against Smoot sound an awful lot like the ones against Republicans today: claims, allegations, news reports in place of evidence, and guilt by association.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Smoot" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Smoot</a></p>
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		By: Mac		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/24/the-moral-equivalence-of-racism/#comment-2799098</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2025 02:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rick67: The suppression of polygamy in Utah is in fact one of the scenarios I was thinking of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick67: The suppression of polygamy in Utah is in fact one of the scenarios I was thinking of.</p>
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		By: Rick67		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/24/the-moral-equivalence-of-racism/#comment-2799056</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2025 20:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mac: &#039;There has long been a limit on what can be accepted by the law as “free exercise of religion.” That limit can be adjusted when serious harm–as seen by the government–would result from free exercise.&#039;

This is a significant comment which caught my attention. I&#039;ll focus on the first part.

When I was the president of an activist group at Cornell I became pretty good friends with our faculty advisor who taught in the Government department aka Political Science at other universities. 

I audited some of his lectures on Constitutional Law. I still recall one lecture in which he discussed Utah Territory becoming a state in 1896. How the federal government said &quot;you can&#039;t become a state unless you outlaw polygamy&quot;.

His point (as I recall him explaining) is that freedom of religion is not absolute. Surely the people of Utah could have said &quot;hey our religion says we can do this First Amendment right?&quot; And the United States government said &quot;no, we don&#039;t care, polygamy&#039;s icky&quot;. Which established a precedent some will favor and say &quot;well of course&quot; and some will say &quot;hey wait a minute&quot;.

That theoretically and in practice there can be such widespread disapproval of a practice that even if a group says &quot;hey no fair our religion says we can do this&quot; the United States federal government can say &quot;too bad, that&#039;s beyond the pale&quot;.

I appreciate Neo addressing whether we&#039;re dealing with the &quot;moral equivalent of racism&quot;. Mac rightly points out that (certainly in practice) limits have been placed on the free exercise of religion. We can&#039;t escape the question of who draws the line and where.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac: &#8216;There has long been a limit on what can be accepted by the law as “free exercise of religion.” That limit can be adjusted when serious harm–as seen by the government–would result from free exercise.&#8217;</p>
<p>This is a significant comment which caught my attention. I&#8217;ll focus on the first part.</p>
<p>When I was the president of an activist group at Cornell I became pretty good friends with our faculty advisor who taught in the Government department aka Political Science at other universities. </p>
<p>I audited some of his lectures on Constitutional Law. I still recall one lecture in which he discussed Utah Territory becoming a state in 1896. How the federal government said &#8220;you can&#8217;t become a state unless you outlaw polygamy&#8221;.</p>
<p>His point (as I recall him explaining) is that freedom of religion is not absolute. Surely the people of Utah could have said &#8220;hey our religion says we can do this First Amendment right?&#8221; And the United States government said &#8220;no, we don&#8217;t care, polygamy&#8217;s icky&#8221;. Which established a precedent some will favor and say &#8220;well of course&#8221; and some will say &#8220;hey wait a minute&#8221;.</p>
<p>That theoretically and in practice there can be such widespread disapproval of a practice that even if a group says &#8220;hey no fair our religion says we can do this&#8221; the United States federal government can say &#8220;too bad, that&#8217;s beyond the pale&#8221;.</p>
<p>I appreciate Neo addressing whether we&#8217;re dealing with the &#8220;moral equivalent of racism&#8221;. Mac rightly points out that (certainly in practice) limits have been placed on the free exercise of religion. We can&#8217;t escape the question of who draws the line and where.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/24/the-moral-equivalence-of-racism/#comment-2799012</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[West TX Intermediate Crude:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Racism is specifically prohibited in governmental activity by the Constitution, as amended.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, but if your Superintendent of Schools is Cornell West or Joy Reid the library and what is considered mainstream racial doctrine will look different than if the Superintendent is David Duke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>West TX Intermediate Crude:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Racism is specifically prohibited in governmental activity by the Constitution, as amended.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yes, but if your Superintendent of Schools is Cornell West or Joy Reid the library and what is considered mainstream racial doctrine will look different than if the Superintendent is David Duke.</p>
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		By: Chris Stoneking		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/24/the-moral-equivalence-of-racism/#comment-2798993</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2025 14:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is the moral equivalency to using your religious beliefs as an excuse to behave like 7th century barbarians?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the moral equivalency to using your religious beliefs as an excuse to behave like 7th century barbarians?</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/24/the-moral-equivalence-of-racism/#comment-2798992</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2025 13:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43293/among-school-children]]></description>
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		By: West TX Intermediate Crude		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/24/the-moral-equivalence-of-racism/#comment-2798990</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[West TX Intermediate Crude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2025 13:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Racism is specifically prohibited in governmental activity by the Constitution, as amended.
Sexism, while in many cases undesirable, is not prohibited.  On the contrary, an attempt was made to incorporate an anti-sexist amendment into the Constitution, but, pace Joe Biden, it did not pass. Laws have been passed to prohibit sexism, but they can be repealed, or clarified, if needed to protect society as needed.
There  is certainly no right to have one&#039;s sexual preferences presented as part of a public school curriculum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racism is specifically prohibited in governmental activity by the Constitution, as amended.<br />
Sexism, while in many cases undesirable, is not prohibited.  On the contrary, an attempt was made to incorporate an anti-sexist amendment into the Constitution, but, pace Joe Biden, it did not pass. Laws have been passed to prohibit sexism, but they can be repealed, or clarified, if needed to protect society as needed.<br />
There  is certainly no right to have one&#8217;s sexual preferences presented as part of a public school curriculum.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2025 13:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;(2) when the schools were racially integrated, many families withdrew and began home-schooling, which was Justice Brown’s explicit remedy in this case.&lt;/i&gt;
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This is a fiction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>(2) when the schools were racially integrated, many families withdrew and began home-schooling, which was Justice Brown’s explicit remedy in this case.</i><br />
==<br />
This is a fiction.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/24/the-moral-equivalence-of-racism/#comment-2798984</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2025 12:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan,

I meant my 80% homosexual parent analogy as a thought experiment. I agree it&#039;s extremely unlikely due to biology. However, there are likely progressive school districts were a large majority of parents want the library to contain books featuring children raised in same sex households.

I believe we are up to 18 states now that allow school choice and parents can take the dollars allocated to their children&#039;s public school education and transfer those dollars to a private school. I believe we are nearing a tipping point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan,</p>
<p>I meant my 80% homosexual parent analogy as a thought experiment. I agree it&#8217;s extremely unlikely due to biology. However, there are likely progressive school districts were a large majority of parents want the library to contain books featuring children raised in same sex households.</p>
<p>I believe we are up to 18 states now that allow school choice and parents can take the dollars allocated to their children&#8217;s public school education and transfer those dollars to a private school. I believe we are nearing a tipping point.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2025 12:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought of a better example for my 80% rule.

It&#039;s not too difficult to imagine Veganism, or at least not killing and eating animals, becoming morally dominant in the future. It&#039;s been the case in India for a long time. It&#039;s religiously based in India, but also cultural.

So, if a public school district in the U.S. serves 80%, or so, of families who are Vegan the cafeteria should serve Vegan meals. If 80% of the families are Hasidic Jews don&#039;t serve shellfish or mix meat and dairy, etc...

It&#039;s not up to a public school to determine what is religiously moral, or anticipate what will be moral decades or centuries hence. It&#039;s up to a public school to serve the public it serves. That can never happen 100% of the time (insert Abe Lincoln quote here), but when there are clear majorities adapt curriculum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought of a better example for my 80% rule.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not too difficult to imagine Veganism, or at least not killing and eating animals, becoming morally dominant in the future. It&#8217;s been the case in India for a long time. It&#8217;s religiously based in India, but also cultural.</p>
<p>So, if a public school district in the U.S. serves 80%, or so, of families who are Vegan the cafeteria should serve Vegan meals. If 80% of the families are Hasidic Jews don&#8217;t serve shellfish or mix meat and dairy, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not up to a public school to determine what is religiously moral, or anticipate what will be moral decades or centuries hence. It&#8217;s up to a public school to serve the public it serves. That can never happen 100% of the time (insert Abe Lincoln quote here), but when there are clear majorities adapt curriculum.</p>
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