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		By: David Davies		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/22/due-process-for-illegal-aliens-how-far-does-it-go/#comment-2798986</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Davies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2025 12:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Biden Inc. gave many, many of the otherwise-illegal entrants Social Security numbers and green cards, which are now their ID. They didn’t bother with visas, which actually do involve some degree of vetting (modest or non-existent in some cases).&quot;

Good point AesopFan.  Now more &#039;due process&#039; is required.  How do we throw out &#039;documentation&#039; forged by our own government?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Biden Inc. gave many, many of the otherwise-illegal entrants Social Security numbers and green cards, which are now their ID. They didn’t bother with visas, which actually do involve some degree of vetting (modest or non-existent in some cases).&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point AesopFan.  Now more &#8216;due process&#8217; is required.  How do we throw out &#8216;documentation&#8217; forged by our own government?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2025 23:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Winking at the immigration laws for people who were just looking for a better life, and were mostly NOT gangsters and criminals, opened the door to what we have now, because the Democrats try to cast said criminals in the same role.
But the Martha&#039;s Vineyard residents don&#039;t even want their maids and gardeners living near them.

“Sir, may I see your ID and visa or greencard?”
Biden Inc. gave many, many of the otherwise-illegal entrants Social Security numbers and green cards, which are now their ID. They didn&#039;t bother with visas, which actually do involve some degree of vetting (modest or non-existent in some cases).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winking at the immigration laws for people who were just looking for a better life, and were mostly NOT gangsters and criminals, opened the door to what we have now, because the Democrats try to cast said criminals in the same role.<br />
But the Martha&#8217;s Vineyard residents don&#8217;t even want their maids and gardeners living near them.</p>
<p>“Sir, may I see your ID and visa or greencard?”<br />
Biden Inc. gave many, many of the otherwise-illegal entrants Social Security numbers and green cards, which are now their ID. They didn&#8217;t bother with visas, which actually do involve some degree of vetting (modest or non-existent in some cases).</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2025 22:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those Central American refugees of the 80s were later the ones doing most of the looting in the Rodney King riots. 

And they are the people who created MS13 in the first place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those Central American refugees of the 80s were later the ones doing most of the looting in the Rodney King riots. </p>
<p>And they are the people who created MS13 in the first place.</p>
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		By: David Davies		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/22/due-process-for-illegal-aliens-how-far-does-it-go/#comment-2798878</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Davies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2025 20:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Due Process:  &quot;Sir, may I see your ID and visa or greencard?&quot;

That&#039;s all the Due Process required.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due Process:  &#8220;Sir, may I see your ID and visa or greencard?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all the Due Process required.</p>
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		By: Nate Winchester		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate Winchester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2025 16:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems to me if you did not follow due process coming in, then you get no due process going out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me if you did not follow due process coming in, then you get no due process going out.</p>
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		By: SteveS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2025 07:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, you are spot on: 

“The problem is clear. In recent years the left got very clever, and illegal aliens availed themselves of the information the left provided: it became common knowledge that if an illegal alien claimed he or she needed asylum, that claim must be heard and there were so many illegal aliens coming over that effectively it would mean it would take many years for the claim to be heard. In the meantime, there were plenty of benefits to be had here.”

I remember well the anti US intervention movement in the 80’s and early 90’s during which time the sanctuary movement was born. Those refugees, mostly Salvadoran and Guatemalan peasants, were fleeing brutal civil wars and atrocities being committed by governments against their own indigenous peoples. Churches in Tucson and LA began taking them in and the sanctuary movement was born. The difference then was that the US had a direct hand supporting and even training the regimes.Even going so far as to sell weapons to Iran when funding was cut off (not a time to be proud of IMHO)
The people the left have been encouraging to come are indeed refugees, but they are economic refugees coming for a better life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, you are spot on: </p>
<p>“The problem is clear. In recent years the left got very clever, and illegal aliens availed themselves of the information the left provided: it became common knowledge that if an illegal alien claimed he or she needed asylum, that claim must be heard and there were so many illegal aliens coming over that effectively it would mean it would take many years for the claim to be heard. In the meantime, there were plenty of benefits to be had here.”</p>
<p>I remember well the anti US intervention movement in the 80’s and early 90’s during which time the sanctuary movement was born. Those refugees, mostly Salvadoran and Guatemalan peasants, were fleeing brutal civil wars and atrocities being committed by governments against their own indigenous peoples. Churches in Tucson and LA began taking them in and the sanctuary movement was born. The difference then was that the US had a direct hand supporting and even training the regimes.Even going so far as to sell weapons to Iran when funding was cut off (not a time to be proud of IMHO)<br />
The people the left have been encouraging to come are indeed refugees, but they are economic refugees coming for a better life.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2025 03:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Right, immigration judges are just DOJ employees. Their power derives from the President.

POTUS and DOJ were within their rights to overturn a subordinate decision on deportation to El Salvador.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, immigration judges are just DOJ employees. Their power derives from the President.</p>
<p>POTUS and DOJ were within their rights to overturn a subordinate decision on deportation to El Salvador.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R2L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2025 01:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Don: so just to confirm, you are saying they are subject to administrative processing but not legal (judicial) processing?

Not sure why - just presumed it I guess - but I thought the asylum hearings were to be held by Article III judges. And part of the delay was that there were not really very many of them.  If they were only Executive Branch employees, then Biden&#039;s malfeasance (and essentially traitorous intent) is even worse, as he could easily have asked for more funding for more review staffers, etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Don: so just to confirm, you are saying they are subject to administrative processing but not legal (judicial) processing?</p>
<p>Not sure why &#8211; just presumed it I guess &#8211; but I thought the asylum hearings were to be held by Article III judges. And part of the delay was that there were not really very many of them.  If they were only Executive Branch employees, then Biden&#8217;s malfeasance (and essentially traitorous intent) is even worse, as he could easily have asked for more funding for more review staffers, etc.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2025 20:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Immigration judges are just DOJ employees, which means they fall under the AG&#039;s control and POTUS&#039;s control. In essence, POTUS is the highest level immigration judge. 

The immigration courts don&#039;t have juries because they are not criminal courts. 

I&#039;m not seeing why Trump ordering deportations isn&#039;t all the needed &quot;due process&quot;. Otherwise what this amounts to is low level employees of the DOJ being able to constrain the power of the President (the actual elected official).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Immigration judges are just DOJ employees, which means they fall under the AG&#8217;s control and POTUS&#8217;s control. In essence, POTUS is the highest level immigration judge. </p>
<p>The immigration courts don&#8217;t have juries because they are not criminal courts. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not seeing why Trump ordering deportations isn&#8217;t all the needed &#8220;due process&#8221;. Otherwise what this amounts to is low level employees of the DOJ being able to constrain the power of the President (the actual elected official).</p>
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		By: matthew49		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matthew49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2025 20:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When the illegal immigrants came, they got a court date years in the future for their asylum hearing and were then released.  Fairness demands that they be deported but be given a date years in the future for an asylum hearing at some American consulate outside the U.S.  If they prevail at the hearing, then and only then should they be allowed to enter the U.S.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the illegal immigrants came, they got a court date years in the future for their asylum hearing and were then released.  Fairness demands that they be deported but be given a date years in the future for an asylum hearing at some American consulate outside the U.S.  If they prevail at the hearing, then and only then should they be allowed to enter the U.S.</p>
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