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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/08/reflections-on-the-stock-market/#comment-2796819</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2025 04:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://babylonbee.com/news/financial-advisor-announces-its-time-to-panic-urges-clients-to-make-hasty-emotional-decisions]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://babylonbee.com/news/financial-advisor-announces-its-time-to-panic-urges-clients-to-make-hasty-emotional-decisions" rel="nofollow ugc">https://babylonbee.com/news/financial-advisor-announces-its-time-to-panic-urges-clients-to-make-hasty-emotional-decisions</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/08/reflections-on-the-stock-market/#comment-2796814</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2025 03:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Sennacherib &quot;Whenever the Republicans are in power the market goes down just before the election like clockwork.&quot;
(and a side note to FOAF)

https://babylonbee.com/news/analysts-clarify-that-trump-is-only-responsible-for-the-stock-market-when-it-goes-down]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Sennacherib &#8220;Whenever the Republicans are in power the market goes down just before the election like clockwork.&#8221;<br />
(and a side note to FOAF)</p>
<p><a href="https://babylonbee.com/news/analysts-clarify-that-trump-is-only-responsible-for-the-stock-market-when-it-goes-down" rel="nofollow ugc">https://babylonbee.com/news/analysts-clarify-that-trump-is-only-responsible-for-the-stock-market-when-it-goes-down</a></p>
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		By: CICERO		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/08/reflections-on-the-stock-market/#comment-2796761</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CICERO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 20:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“It’s a global deleveraging,” says Dan Ivascyn, chief investment officer at Pimco, the bond powerhouse. “Markets aren’t fans of extreme uncertainty—unless we get clarity about tariffs, and the willingness to negotiate or be more gradual in implementation, people will likely continue to take their money home.” This is from the WSJ today.

Those PIMCO guys know their stuff. &quot;More gradual in implementation&quot; indeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“It’s a global deleveraging,” says Dan Ivascyn, chief investment officer at Pimco, the bond powerhouse. “Markets aren’t fans of extreme uncertainty—unless we get clarity about tariffs, and the willingness to negotiate or be more gradual in implementation, people will likely continue to take their money home.” This is from the WSJ today.</p>
<p>Those PIMCO guys know their stuff. &#8220;More gradual in implementation&#8221; indeed.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 19:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, then…

“The Great Tariff Pause”—
https://blazingcatfur.ca/2025/04/09/the-great-tariff-pause/

Hmm. Could it be that Trump just “nail[ed] jello to [the] wall”?

Or maybe he listened to Ackman (and others) and gave the imperial thumb up? (What??! The man actually listens to people??)

Or maybe he just wanted to shake things up a bit (more)?

Master Maniacal Manipulator? Or Merely a Meshuggener Menace? 

Ought one nod one’s head (from side to side) in sheer disbelief…or in adulatory amazement?

Or is it just a case of “But that orange-haired man, he be crazy” maneuvering to get more governments to the bargaining table as he aims to cut a veritable and vicious Gordian knot…with all the usual suspects breathing heavily—and malevolently—down his back…

Stay tuned …. And help yerself to some aspic.…]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, then…</p>
<p>“The Great Tariff Pause”—<br />
<a href="https://blazingcatfur.ca/2025/04/09/the-great-tariff-pause/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://blazingcatfur.ca/2025/04/09/the-great-tariff-pause/</a></p>
<p>Hmm. Could it be that Trump just “nail[ed] jello to [the] wall”?</p>
<p>Or maybe he listened to Ackman (and others) and gave the imperial thumb up? (What??! The man actually listens to people??)</p>
<p>Or maybe he just wanted to shake things up a bit (more)?</p>
<p>Master Maniacal Manipulator? Or Merely a Meshuggener Menace? </p>
<p>Ought one nod one’s head (from side to side) in sheer disbelief…or in adulatory amazement?</p>
<p>Or is it just a case of “But that orange-haired man, he be crazy” maneuvering to get more governments to the bargaining table as he aims to cut a veritable and vicious Gordian knot…with all the usual suspects breathing heavily—and malevolently—down his back…</p>
<p>Stay tuned …. And help yerself to some aspic.…</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/08/reflections-on-the-stock-market/#comment-2796748</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 18:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“a good way to get the electorate to remove you from power”

Not to worry, Trump had no chance of being elected in the first place according to you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“a good way to get the electorate to remove you from power”</p>
<p>Not to worry, Trump had no chance of being elected in the first place according to you.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOAF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The market dropped 25% in 2022 under Trump - oh wait Biden was President then.  Were you complaining here about people’s retirements being wiped out Bauxite?  Or bashing Trump?  No let me guess lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The market dropped 25% in 2022 under Trump &#8211; oh wait Biden was President then.  Were you complaining here about people’s retirements being wiped out Bauxite?  Or bashing Trump?  No let me guess lol</p>
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		By: CICERO		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/08/reflections-on-the-stock-market/#comment-2796742</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 18:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Patience for sudden downdrafts in asset values costs a time premium the elderly can ill afford.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patience for sudden downdrafts in asset values costs a time premium the elderly can ill afford.</p>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/08/reflections-on-the-stock-market/#comment-2796727</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bauxite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 17:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Earth to FAOF:

1. &quot;All-time high&quot; and &quot;overvalued&quot; often coincide, but are not necessarily the same thing. 

2. Even if one assumes that the market was overvalued, you&#039;re justifying the result rather than the action. &quot;Overvalue&quot; in the market does not give the president license to implement whatever destructive policy he wants. 

Arguing with MAGA is very much like arguing with Woke. It&#039;s like trying to nail jello to a wall. There are threads and threads of twisted, contradictory logic that, ultimately, have no anchor in reality.  

Trump just intentionally crashed the stock market. He&#039;s promising a bunch of good results from doing so. Those good results are very unlikely to come about. The best case scenario is a very unevenly distributed set of wins and losses, and even then the chances of the wins bearing fruit before the next election are slim and none. 

But hey, no worries.  The stock market was overvalued anyway.

Meanwhile, back in reality, wiping out 15% of people&#039;s retirement (and counting) and sparking a recession by clumsily launching a policy that your administration can&#039;t consistently explain and that no one expected you to actually implement is a good way to get the electorate to promptly remove you and your party from power at the first available opportunity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earth to FAOF:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;All-time high&#8221; and &#8220;overvalued&#8221; often coincide, but are not necessarily the same thing. </p>
<p>2. Even if one assumes that the market was overvalued, you&#8217;re justifying the result rather than the action. &#8220;Overvalue&#8221; in the market does not give the president license to implement whatever destructive policy he wants. </p>
<p>Arguing with MAGA is very much like arguing with Woke. It&#8217;s like trying to nail jello to a wall. There are threads and threads of twisted, contradictory logic that, ultimately, have no anchor in reality.  </p>
<p>Trump just intentionally crashed the stock market. He&#8217;s promising a bunch of good results from doing so. Those good results are very unlikely to come about. The best case scenario is a very unevenly distributed set of wins and losses, and even then the chances of the wins bearing fruit before the next election are slim and none. </p>
<p>But hey, no worries.  The stock market was overvalued anyway.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, back in reality, wiping out 15% of people&#8217;s retirement (and counting) and sparking a recession by clumsily launching a policy that your administration can&#8217;t consistently explain and that no one expected you to actually implement is a good way to get the electorate to promptly remove you and your party from power at the first available opportunity.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/08/reflections-on-the-stock-market/#comment-2796715</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOAF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 17:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Earth to Bauxite:  the current valuation of the S&#038;P 500 would have been an all-time high a little over a year ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earth to Bauxite:  the current valuation of the S&amp;P 500 would have been an all-time high a little over a year ago.</p>
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		By: David Foster		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/08/reflections-on-the-stock-market/#comment-2796689</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 13:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was obvious that the US could not indefinitely continue on a part of excessive offshoring, wild deficit spending, and China dependency. But it was seemed easier..less-risky...to continue on the path we were on and hope that something would turn up.

I keep thinking of a remark made by @theannagat at X:  &quot;All the risks you didn&#039;t take come and take their revenge.&quot;

There is plenty to criticize about the way Trump is going about this, but there was plenty of hidden risk in letting things ride.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was obvious that the US could not indefinitely continue on a part of excessive offshoring, wild deficit spending, and China dependency. But it was seemed easier..less-risky&#8230;to continue on the path we were on and hope that something would turn up.</p>
<p>I keep thinking of a remark made by @theannagat at X:  &#8220;All the risks you didn&#8217;t take come and take their revenge.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is plenty to criticize about the way Trump is going about this, but there was plenty of hidden risk in letting things ride.</p>
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