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		By: Lee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2025 17:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: &quot;getting all kinds of colds as I age&quot;--great immune booster, and likely how my grandma got seven children to their 90s without antibiotics or vaccines:

https://x.com/PittGuru/status/1907785129696579771

(You can freeze the &quot;recipe&quot; to copy it.)


The entire thread:

https://x.com/PittGuru/status/1907785105239630326]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;getting all kinds of colds as I age&#8221;&#8211;great immune booster, and likely how my grandma got seven children to their 90s without antibiotics or vaccines:</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/PittGuru/status/1907785129696579771" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/PittGuru/status/1907785129696579771</a></p>
<p>(You can freeze the &#8220;recipe&#8221; to copy it.)</p>
<p>The entire thread:</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/PittGuru/status/1907785105239630326" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/PittGuru/status/1907785105239630326</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 12:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gosh! How did THAT happen?!

“Report: Over 1,000 child deaths disappear from Hamas casualty list;
“Analysis by Honest Reporting board member and NGO Monitor analyst Salo Aizenberg shows Hamas has removed about 3,400 &quot;verified deaths&quot; on its 2024 casualty reports from its latest casualty report.”—
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/406249]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh! How did THAT happen?!</p>
<p>“Report: Over 1,000 child deaths disappear from Hamas casualty list;<br />
“Analysis by Honest Reporting board member and NGO Monitor analyst Salo Aizenberg shows Hamas has removed about 3,400 &#8220;verified deaths&#8221; on its 2024 casualty reports from its latest casualty report.”—<br />
<a href="https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/406249" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/406249</a></p>
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		By: Dax		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 04:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PPS - A fun fact which popped into my mind, was that sci-fi author Ray Bradbury insisted that the Internet was a &quot;hoax.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PPS &#8211; A fun fact which popped into my mind, was that sci-fi author Ray Bradbury insisted that the Internet was a &#8220;hoax.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Dax		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 04:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a Luddite, but I&#039;m definitely not in love with AI per se, from my limited knowledge about it. I am impressed with its potential in programming, engineering, science etc., but think that it needs to be supervised by humans.

I share Niketas&#039; weariness with quoted AI output, and skip over such comments. I read an article, the author of which I forget, but it was a well known, credible person, who preferred the term Artificial Stupidity. It may have been the same author who urged not using the term &quot;hallucinations,&quot; but instead just &quot;errors,&quot; I think because the former gave too much respect to the bots. I&#039;m thinking this could also be a case of anthropomorphising.  

This also leads me to think about the perils of technology. The Internet has brought many benefits. It also has led to mental disturbances, and has enabled criminals and terrorists in their dirty deeds. I&#039;m not opposed to space exploration; on the other hand I think maybe we should clean up our own backyards, before journeying to strange new worlds, to screw them up too.

PS I read somewhere a while back, don&#039;t know if it&#039;s true, that Amazon&#039;s website is totally run by AI!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a Luddite, but I&#8217;m definitely not in love with AI per se, from my limited knowledge about it. I am impressed with its potential in programming, engineering, science etc., but think that it needs to be supervised by humans.</p>
<p>I share Niketas&#8217; weariness with quoted AI output, and skip over such comments. I read an article, the author of which I forget, but it was a well known, credible person, who preferred the term Artificial Stupidity. It may have been the same author who urged not using the term &#8220;hallucinations,&#8221; but instead just &#8220;errors,&#8221; I think because the former gave too much respect to the bots. I&#8217;m thinking this could also be a case of anthropomorphising.  </p>
<p>This also leads me to think about the perils of technology. The Internet has brought many benefits. It also has led to mental disturbances, and has enabled criminals and terrorists in their dirty deeds. I&#8217;m not opposed to space exploration; on the other hand I think maybe we should clean up our own backyards, before journeying to strange new worlds, to screw them up too.</p>
<p>PS I read somewhere a while back, don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s true, that Amazon&#8217;s website is totally run by AI!</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 02:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@huxley:&lt;i&gt;the Anthropic researchers did investigate Claude as though its black box was similar to the human brain black box.&lt;/i&gt;

No less fallacious even so. 

&lt;i&gt; I don’t think you read me carefully nor am I impressed with the quality of your reasoning.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not impressed with your cheerleading for LLMs, if we&#039;re being candid. But feel free to scroll past anything I say which you consider beneath notice. I am relieved that folks are no longer quoting their interactions with LLMs in the comments like they used to: I try to count my blessings.

&lt;i&gt;LLMs are based on neural networks intentionally designed to mimic human neural networks &lt;/i&gt;

There is no one who understands human &quot;neural networks&quot; well enough to know if LLMs are in any way analogous. &quot;Inspired&quot; by human &quot;neural networks&quot; I grant you. Our understanding of what neurons actually do and what any of that has to do with thinking and memory is in its infancy, and most of the complexity of real neurons is simplified away in the modeling that computational neuroscientists do to study human neural networks. At best, the kind of network under the hood of an LLM is analogous to a simplified mathematical model of biological neurons, and we have yet no way to know how much of a difference that abstraction and simplification makes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@huxley:<i>the Anthropic researchers did investigate Claude as though its black box was similar to the human brain black box.</i></p>
<p>No less fallacious even so. </p>
<p><i> I don’t think you read me carefully nor am I impressed with the quality of your reasoning.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not impressed with your cheerleading for LLMs, if we&#8217;re being candid. But feel free to scroll past anything I say which you consider beneath notice. I am relieved that folks are no longer quoting their interactions with LLMs in the comments like they used to: I try to count my blessings.</p>
<p><i>LLMs are based on neural networks intentionally designed to mimic human neural networks </i></p>
<p>There is no one who understands human &#8220;neural networks&#8221; well enough to know if LLMs are in any way analogous. &#8220;Inspired&#8221; by human &#8220;neural networks&#8221; I grant you. Our understanding of what neurons actually do and what any of that has to do with thinking and memory is in its infancy, and most of the complexity of real neurons is simplified away in the modeling that computational neuroscientists do to study human neural networks. At best, the kind of network under the hood of an LLM is analogous to a simplified mathematical model of biological neurons, and we have yet no way to know how much of a difference that abstraction and simplification makes.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 01:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates:

You only respond to my comments to disagree or to snark. I don&#039;t think you read me carefully nor am I impressed with the quality of your reasoning.

I qualified my claim with &quot;may.&quot; Nor did I claim that the &quot;the interiors of the black boxes must be the same.&quot;

Furthermore, whether you like it or not, the Anthropic researchers did investigate Claude as though its black box was similar to the human brain black box.

Since LLMs are based on neural networks intentionally designed to mimic human neural networks it isn&#039;t a terrible leap to to attempt to understand LLMs based on neuroscience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niketas Choniates:</p>
<p>You only respond to my comments to disagree or to snark. I don&#8217;t think you read me carefully nor am I impressed with the quality of your reasoning.</p>
<p>I qualified my claim with &#8220;may.&#8221; Nor did I claim that the &#8220;the interiors of the black boxes must be the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>Furthermore, whether you like it or not, the Anthropic researchers did investigate Claude as though its black box was similar to the human brain black box.</p>
<p>Since LLMs are based on neural networks intentionally designed to mimic human neural networks it isn&#8217;t a terrible leap to to attempt to understand LLMs based on neuroscience.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 00:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@huxley:&lt;i&gt;We may be looking at different architectures — carbon vs. silicon — but the patterns we’re finding are starting to rhyme.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s an old fallacy, thinking that the interiors of two black boxes must be the same because the inputs and outputs match. Not that we got the matches yet,  of course, but assuming &lt;i&gt;arguendo&lt;/i&gt; that we did, it wouldn&#039;t prove that they are doing the same thing internally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@huxley:<i>We may be looking at different architectures — carbon vs. silicon — but the patterns we’re finding are starting to rhyme.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s an old fallacy, thinking that the interiors of two black boxes must be the same because the inputs and outputs match. Not that we got the matches yet,  of course, but assuming <i>arguendo</i> that we did, it wouldn&#8217;t prove that they are doing the same thing internally.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 00:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley, I sent your link on LLM hallucinations to my daughter, who is working with one at her corporation. She tells me that its data field is closed (for security reasons) and it STILL makes things up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley, I sent your link on LLM hallucinations to my daughter, who is working with one at her corporation. She tells me that its data field is closed (for security reasons) and it STILL makes things up.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 00:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Weirdly, it seems even the AI people don&#039;t really know how today&#039;s LLM AIs work. Here&#039;s an amazing paper from Anthropic, the company behind the Claude AI.

&lt;i&gt;--Anthropic, &quot;Tracing the thoughts of a large language model&quot;
https://www.anthropic.com/news/tracing-thoughts-language-model&lt;/i&gt;

A standard criticism of LLMs is that they are essentially auto-complete on steroids. They start from the prompt and keep adding words according to their training until they stop.

However, now that researchers have got around to real research that turns out not to be the case. They used human neuroscience to investigate:
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&lt;i&gt;We take inspiration from the field of neuroscience, which has long studied the messy insides of thinking organisms, and try to build a kind of AI microscope that will let us identify patterns of activity and flows of information.&lt;/i&gt;
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We may be looking at different architectures — carbon vs. silicon — but the patterns we’re finding are starting to rhyme.

According to the article Claude does a large amount of processing before it starts outputting language. Claude has already &quot;thought&quot; about it in its own representation to the end before it transform its &quot;thinking&quot; into human language.

That&#039;s not news to me. I know I don&#039;t &quot;think&quot; in human language either. That comes after some non-verbal process that I only put together into words later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weirdly, it seems even the AI people don&#8217;t really know how today&#8217;s LLM AIs work. Here&#8217;s an amazing paper from Anthropic, the company behind the Claude AI.</p>
<p><i>&#8211;Anthropic, &#8220;Tracing the thoughts of a large language model&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.anthropic.com/news/tracing-thoughts-language-model" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.anthropic.com/news/tracing-thoughts-language-model</a></i></p>
<p>A standard criticism of LLMs is that they are essentially auto-complete on steroids. They start from the prompt and keep adding words according to their training until they stop.</p>
<p>However, now that researchers have got around to real research that turns out not to be the case. They used human neuroscience to investigate:<br />
____________________________________</p>
<p><i>We take inspiration from the field of neuroscience, which has long studied the messy insides of thinking organisms, and try to build a kind of AI microscope that will let us identify patterns of activity and flows of information.</i><br />
____________________________________</p>
<p>We may be looking at different architectures — carbon vs. silicon — but the patterns we’re finding are starting to rhyme.</p>
<p>According to the article Claude does a large amount of processing before it starts outputting language. Claude has already &#8220;thought&#8221; about it in its own representation to the end before it transform its &#8220;thinking&#8221; into human language.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not news to me. I know I don&#8217;t &#8220;think&#8221; in human language either. That comes after some non-verbal process that I only put together into words later.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/04/01/open-thread-4-1-2025/#comment-2795516</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 00:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The two Florida special elections for the House have both been won by Republicans. 

Wisconsin polls close in about 45 minutes. No worries; my brother-in-law says he registered all his backyard squirrels and they all voted R. More seriously, various X accounts are reporting high suburban and rural turnout in Wisconsin. Fingers crossed!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two Florida special elections for the House have both been won by Republicans. </p>
<p>Wisconsin polls close in about 45 minutes. No worries; my brother-in-law says he registered all his backyard squirrels and they all voted R. More seriously, various X accounts are reporting high suburban and rural turnout in Wisconsin. Fingers crossed!</p>
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