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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/03/11/recession/#comment-2792289</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 23:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are ye’ really sure ye’ wanna go there?… 

OK. Here goes…

Building [Brooklyn Bridge Blues] Back Better….

https://instapundit.com/707928/
Key graf:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
…People close to White House believe JoeBiden increased federal spending by as much as $300 billion in his final months of his presidency to juice the economy and markets and help KamalaHarris get elected. That combined that with rolling over short term debt in order not to force rates on the all-important 10 year note (which consumers rates are priced off of) to spike higher, has left a balance sheet mess of epic proportions….”
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BUT “Biden” would NEVER do anything like that now, would “he”…?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are ye’ really sure ye’ wanna go there?… </p>
<p>OK. Here goes…</p>
<p>Building [Brooklyn Bridge Blues] Back Better….</p>
<p><a href="https://instapundit.com/707928/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://instapundit.com/707928/</a><br />
Key graf:</p>
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…People close to White House believe JoeBiden increased federal spending by as much as $300 billion in his final months of his presidency to juice the economy and markets and help KamalaHarris get elected. That combined that with rolling over short term debt in order not to force rates on the all-important 10 year note (which consumers rates are priced off of) to spike higher, has left a balance sheet mess of epic proportions….”
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<p>BUT “Biden” would NEVER do anything like that now, would “he”…?</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/03/11/recession/#comment-2792239</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bauxite, I&#039;ll have to consider your criticism of 1.
Might not have an response, but will continue the conversation as soon as I have time.
As to whether tariffs are good or bad, I consider them a tool. Is a hammer good or bad. Depends on whether it&#039;s hitting a nail or your thumb.

As a general rule, I would consider them essential to protect industries vital to our national security, both economic and militarily.

What should be our response to a country that engages in unfair trade advantages?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bauxite, I&#8217;ll have to consider your criticism of 1.<br />
Might not have an response, but will continue the conversation as soon as I have time.<br />
As to whether tariffs are good or bad, I consider them a tool. Is a hammer good or bad. Depends on whether it&#8217;s hitting a nail or your thumb.</p>
<p>As a general rule, I would consider them essential to protect industries vital to our national security, both economic and militarily.</p>
<p>What should be our response to a country that engages in unfair trade advantages?</p>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/03/11/recession/#comment-2792230</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bauxite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E.

1 - You also lose economic activity. First, because you&#039;ve raised the price of domestic goods, everything in the domestic market that is subject to tariff becomes more expensive. Productivity declines. Next, the retaliatory tariffs by other countries against domestic goods suppress domestic economic activity. So you&#039;re both adding and subtracting economic activity/spending. The total effect is a net, and there&#039;s no guarantee that the positive side of the ledger is even bigger than the negative side, let alone enough bigger to drive any significant economic growth. 

2 - Your point on 2 is inconsistent with 1. Are you imposing tariffs because tariffs are good, or because you want your neighbor to lift their own tariffs?  And if tariffs are good for the US, why aren&#039;t Canadian tariffs also be good for Canada, and so on?  Also, the whole point of 2 is to suggest that the tariffs are temporary. If they are as good as you say in 1, why make them temporary? This is where Trump descends into incoherence, because I don&#039;t think he can make up his mind on this one either. 

And &quot;companies will absorb the tax?&quot; Really? Haven&#039;t we been having this argument with progressives who want big corporate tax increases for more than a century?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; You also lose economic activity. First, because you&#8217;ve raised the price of domestic goods, everything in the domestic market that is subject to tariff becomes more expensive. Productivity declines. Next, the retaliatory tariffs by other countries against domestic goods suppress domestic economic activity. So you&#8217;re both adding and subtracting economic activity/spending. The total effect is a net, and there&#8217;s no guarantee that the positive side of the ledger is even bigger than the negative side, let alone enough bigger to drive any significant economic growth. </p>
<p>2 &#8211; Your point on 2 is inconsistent with 1. Are you imposing tariffs because tariffs are good, or because you want your neighbor to lift their own tariffs?  And if tariffs are good for the US, why aren&#8217;t Canadian tariffs also be good for Canada, and so on?  Also, the whole point of 2 is to suggest that the tariffs are temporary. If they are as good as you say in 1, why make them temporary? This is where Trump descends into incoherence, because I don&#8217;t think he can make up his mind on this one either. </p>
<p>And &#8220;companies will absorb the tax?&#8221; Really? Haven&#8217;t we been having this argument with progressives who want big corporate tax increases for more than a century?</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/03/11/recession/#comment-2792224</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related?

“This Is Literally The Worst News Democrats Could Get Right Now”—
https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/03/12/this-is-literally-the-worst-news-democrats-could-get-right-now-n4937829

OMMV…]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related?</p>
<p>“This Is Literally The Worst News Democrats Could Get Right Now”—<br />
<a href="https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/03/12/this-is-literally-the-worst-news-democrats-could-get-right-now-n4937829" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/03/12/this-is-literally-the-worst-news-democrats-could-get-right-now-n4937829</a></p>
<p>OMMV…</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/03/11/recession/#comment-2792214</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 16:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bauxite, 
There are the two tracks where tariffs may serve their purpose.

1. Incentivize companies to produce goods and services in the US. This will broaden the tax base and add jobs to the economy which will increase spending.
2. Force countries with high tariffs/barriers to US products to reduce their tariffs with the reciprocal tariff strategy. This will increase exports, which will increase tax revenues and jobs as added production/add workers/shifts will benefit American workers.

Both will increase the size and tax base of the economy. Our ultimate goal should be increase number of good paying jobs and increase tax revenue to fund our growing entitlement burden. 

As to tariffs raising prices, in some/many cases the importing company/government will absorb some/all of the tariff.

Any revenue the government does receive should be rebated back to citizens. That would make the tax net neutral.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bauxite,<br />
There are the two tracks where tariffs may serve their purpose.</p>
<p>1. Incentivize companies to produce goods and services in the US. This will broaden the tax base and add jobs to the economy which will increase spending.<br />
2. Force countries with high tariffs/barriers to US products to reduce their tariffs with the reciprocal tariff strategy. This will increase exports, which will increase tax revenues and jobs as added production/add workers/shifts will benefit American workers.</p>
<p>Both will increase the size and tax base of the economy. Our ultimate goal should be increase number of good paying jobs and increase tax revenue to fund our growing entitlement burden. </p>
<p>As to tariffs raising prices, in some/many cases the importing company/government will absorb some/all of the tariff.</p>
<p>Any revenue the government does receive should be rebated back to citizens. That would make the tax net neutral.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/03/11/recession/#comment-2792204</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 15:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I meant that Trump is going to be accountable for the results of his actions. &lt;/i&gt;
==
The faux naivete is rather grating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I meant that Trump is going to be accountable for the results of his actions. </i><br />
==<br />
The faux naivete is rather grating.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/03/11/recession/#comment-2792196</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 14:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The walls are closing in, any day now]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The walls are closing in, any day now</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/03/11/recession/#comment-2792193</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 14:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Tariffs are a net loss and a net drag on economic growth.&lt;/i&gt;
==
No, they&#039;re a means of raising revenue.  Any means of raising revenue generates some sort of welfare loss.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Tariffs are a net loss and a net drag on economic growth.</i><br />
==<br />
No, they&#8217;re a means of raising revenue.  Any means of raising revenue generates some sort of welfare loss.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/03/11/recession/#comment-2792191</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 14:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Again, we do not live in a free trade regime.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, we do not live in a free trade regime.</p>
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		By: David Foster		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/03/11/recession/#comment-2792188</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 14:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Discussions of trade usually focus on the trade deficit with physical goods; it has often been asserted that the US doesn’t need to worry overmuch about our position in Manufacturing, because Services are the future and that is where we will have the most competitive advantage.  And, indeed, the balance of trade in services is more favorable than that in the goods-producing industries. But this may be changing,  See my post Telemigration:

https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/59860.html

There are no US tariffs on services imports; I don&#039;t think there have ever been.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discussions of trade usually focus on the trade deficit with physical goods; it has often been asserted that the US doesn’t need to worry overmuch about our position in Manufacturing, because Services are the future and that is where we will have the most competitive advantage.  And, indeed, the balance of trade in services is more favorable than that in the goods-producing industries. But this may be changing,  See my post Telemigration:</p>
<p><a href="https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/59860.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/59860.html</a></p>
<p>There are no US tariffs on services imports; I don&#8217;t think there have ever been.</p>
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