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		By: Jimmy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry about your mother&#039;s condition, Chases Eagles. My mother passed away recently at 98, and the last couple of years needed 24/7 assistance. Fortunately, I guess, she was extremely frugal her entire life and had saved enough, with the help of the stock market, to cover the very high expenses (around $30K/month). So many people of my generation (late baby boom) are facing these issues, with (or so it seems) so many people living into their 90s. It&#039;s more important than ever to plan ahead, not just financially but for care and a safe place to live.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about your mother&#8217;s condition, Chases Eagles. My mother passed away recently at 98, and the last couple of years needed 24/7 assistance. Fortunately, I guess, she was extremely frugal her entire life and had saved enough, with the help of the stock market, to cover the very high expenses (around $30K/month). So many people of my generation (late baby boom) are facing these issues, with (or so it seems) so many people living into their 90s. It&#8217;s more important than ever to plan ahead, not just financially but for care and a safe place to live.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2025 22:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SNF = Skilled Nursing Facility
ALF = Assisted Living Facility

OTD = Older Than Dirt (that what I tell the much younger Nuclear Chemical Operators  (NCOs)) that I work with that I am.  

Then again it ain&#039;t the military so they aren&#039;t the other kind of NCOs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SNF = Skilled Nursing Facility<br />
ALF = Assisted Living Facility</p>
<p>OTD = Older Than Dirt (that what I tell the much younger Nuclear Chemical Operators  (NCOs)) that I work with that I am.  </p>
<p>Then again it ain&#8217;t the military so they aren&#8217;t the other kind of NCOs.</p>
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		By: Chases Eagles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chases Eagles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2025 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have mentioned before my mother has ALS (Wikipedia: Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also known as motor neuron disease (MND) or (in the United States) Lou Gehrig&#039;s disease (LGD)) and requires two people to lift her from bed to toilet to chair. It is absolutely painful to watch her answer the phone resting six inches from her hand before it times out. Her care is running about $7k per month. My Swedish sister-in-law lives about 5 minutes away and does mom’s laundry and shopping. SIL understands mom’s weak distorted voice the best but her Swedish accent and soft voice is hard for my mother to understand. My hearing deficit means I can’t understand either of them at all on the phone and my wife has to translate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mentioned before my mother has ALS (Wikipedia: Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also known as motor neuron disease (MND) or (in the United States) Lou Gehrig&#8217;s disease (LGD)) and requires two people to lift her from bed to toilet to chair. It is absolutely painful to watch her answer the phone resting six inches from her hand before it times out. Her care is running about $7k per month. My Swedish sister-in-law lives about 5 minutes away and does mom’s laundry and shopping. SIL understands mom’s weak distorted voice the best but her Swedish accent and soft voice is hard for my mother to understand. My hearing deficit means I can’t understand either of them at all on the phone and my wife has to translate.</p>
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		By: CICERO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2025 20:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am struck by the use of abbreviations in this thread: SNF, ALF, ALS.
Can we no longer communicate with real words? Is it too much trouble?
Which of these is a disease? Codebreaker is the F, for Facility.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am struck by the use of abbreviations in this thread: SNF, ALF, ALS.<br />
Can we no longer communicate with real words? Is it too much trouble?<br />
Which of these is a disease? Codebreaker is the F, for Facility.</p>
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		By: Wendy K Laubach		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy K Laubach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2025 18:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I found one article claiming that the dog that died was in a crate following some kind of veterinary procedure, so the poor thing probably died of thirst.

I completely understand a decision to avoid moving into an institution, no matter how nice.  But we need to keep in mind that we can become suddenly disabled at any time, a danger that is all the more important to plan for if one member of a couple is seriously impaired, especially mentally, and if there are animals who need daily attention as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found one article claiming that the dog that died was in a crate following some kind of veterinary procedure, so the poor thing probably died of thirst.</p>
<p>I completely understand a decision to avoid moving into an institution, no matter how nice.  But we need to keep in mind that we can become suddenly disabled at any time, a danger that is all the more important to plan for if one member of a couple is seriously impaired, especially mentally, and if there are animals who need daily attention as well.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2025 12:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They lived their later lives pretty much as they wished. Yet, and yet ...

Whether a family member or a neighbor&#039;s weekly check could have improved on the ultimate outcome of these events.

Lesson, yes. But only those heeding it will benefit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They lived their later lives pretty much as they wished. Yet, and yet &#8230;</p>
<p>Whether a family member or a neighbor&#8217;s weekly check could have improved on the ultimate outcome of these events.</p>
<p>Lesson, yes. But only those heeding it will benefit.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2025 11:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;but no house cleaner&lt;/i&gt;
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Evidently, there was some sort of home-owners-association which provided groundskeepers. (It was a twelve acre property). There were two houses on the property.  I haven&#039;t seen a report on the square footage of the main house.  The secondary residence was shy of 2,400 sq ft.  You&#039;d think a 65 year old woman would employ a service.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but no house cleaner</i><br />
==<br />
Evidently, there was some sort of home-owners-association which provided groundskeepers. (It was a twelve acre property). There were two houses on the property.  I haven&#8217;t seen a report on the square footage of the main house.  The secondary residence was shy of 2,400 sq ft.  You&#8217;d think a 65 year old woman would employ a service.</p>
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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sennacherib]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2025 08:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve changed my mind about Arakawa, Hackman had the money and inclination for isolation she was a facilitator. I believe she was entirely honorable but a facilitator.

https://youtu.be/XiTh8UpbeEI?si=tx1MczMq4jPLEZQJ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve changed my mind about Arakawa, Hackman had the money and inclination for isolation she was a facilitator. I believe she was entirely honorable but a facilitator.</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/XiTh8UpbeEI?si=tx1MczMq4jPLEZQJ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/XiTh8UpbeEI?si=tx1MczMq4jPLEZQJ</a></p>
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		By: Lee Also		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee Also]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2025 06:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Nursing homes&quot; do not exist. There places that offer varying degrees of care: independent living facilities, assisted living facilities, skilled nursing facilities (which often also house rehabilitation hospitals), and memory care. Assisted living places offer varying degrees of assistance, depending on the place. But they also offer a fair amount of independence.

Skilled nursing facilities try to be as short term as possible. But if you need SNF, you really NEED the &quot;skilled nursing&quot; part of it. And admittedly, there are some people for whom it isn&#039;t that short term a solution. A friend with ALS wound up in one -- she could no longer live on her own, she needed specialized care that her children could not give. Another friend with ALS was able to stay at home because he and his wife (and his kids) were wealthy and could afford around the clock home skilled nursing he needed. My dad had IPF and was at home for several months, but towards the end, he needed too much care and moved to a SNF. He was there for less than a month.

Caring for people with Alzheimers can be extremely difficult. One woman I met had to commit her husband to a memory care facility. She was a tiny little woman, and he was a brawny man with early onset dementia. When he ceased to recognize her, he&#039;d started beating her up. It was heartbreaking. 

I hope that I can afford ALF when that time comes. Some are very nice. They have happy hours, movie nights, ice cream socials... Often times, the food is not too bad. People vilify them without knowing much about them. 

Admittedly, ones that have been taken over by private equity go down the toilet... But the destruction and gutting of businesses by private equity is a different topic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nursing homes&#8221; do not exist. There places that offer varying degrees of care: independent living facilities, assisted living facilities, skilled nursing facilities (which often also house rehabilitation hospitals), and memory care. Assisted living places offer varying degrees of assistance, depending on the place. But they also offer a fair amount of independence.</p>
<p>Skilled nursing facilities try to be as short term as possible. But if you need SNF, you really NEED the &#8220;skilled nursing&#8221; part of it. And admittedly, there are some people for whom it isn&#8217;t that short term a solution. A friend with ALS wound up in one &#8212; she could no longer live on her own, she needed specialized care that her children could not give. Another friend with ALS was able to stay at home because he and his wife (and his kids) were wealthy and could afford around the clock home skilled nursing he needed. My dad had IPF and was at home for several months, but towards the end, he needed too much care and moved to a SNF. He was there for less than a month.</p>
<p>Caring for people with Alzheimers can be extremely difficult. One woman I met had to commit her husband to a memory care facility. She was a tiny little woman, and he was a brawny man with early onset dementia. When he ceased to recognize her, he&#8217;d started beating her up. It was heartbreaking. </p>
<p>I hope that I can afford ALF when that time comes. Some are very nice. They have happy hours, movie nights, ice cream socials&#8230; Often times, the food is not too bad. People vilify them without knowing much about them. </p>
<p>Admittedly, ones that have been taken over by private equity go down the toilet&#8230; But the destruction and gutting of businesses by private equity is a different topic.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2025 03:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a very sad story, indeed. And yet, I can see how it could happen.

My wife and I are both in our 90s.  We made the decision many years ago to steer clear of nursing homes if at all possible.  A few years back we asked our daughter to come live with us to help us as needed. She was amenable and it has been a blessing.

We&#039;re still able to do our daily chores - cleaning, gardening, cooking, shopping, and we both drive, though not at night.  We need no domestic help, but our daughter often does things that we can&#039;t quite manage anymore. She just took us out to a restaurant for dinner after dark. She also orders food for us on her cell phone when we need it.  Neither my wife nor I have cell phones.

We would feel much less secure without our daughter living with us. We are both noticing our age more now and I&#039;m wondering how long we can keep on this way.  At some point we may need some nursing care that our daughter can&#039;t provide and one or both of us may become unable to walk.  It&#039;s not an easy path, and the only certainty is that we&#039;re not going to get any better as time goes on.  Like Gene Hackman and his wife, we just have to keep on keeping on and hope for the best. The end is near, but not quite yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a very sad story, indeed. And yet, I can see how it could happen.</p>
<p>My wife and I are both in our 90s.  We made the decision many years ago to steer clear of nursing homes if at all possible.  A few years back we asked our daughter to come live with us to help us as needed. She was amenable and it has been a blessing.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re still able to do our daily chores &#8211; cleaning, gardening, cooking, shopping, and we both drive, though not at night.  We need no domestic help, but our daughter often does things that we can&#8217;t quite manage anymore. She just took us out to a restaurant for dinner after dark. She also orders food for us on her cell phone when we need it.  Neither my wife nor I have cell phones.</p>
<p>We would feel much less secure without our daughter living with us. We are both noticing our age more now and I&#8217;m wondering how long we can keep on this way.  At some point we may need some nursing care that our daughter can&#8217;t provide and one or both of us may become unable to walk.  It&#8217;s not an easy path, and the only certainty is that we&#8217;re not going to get any better as time goes on.  Like Gene Hackman and his wife, we just have to keep on keeping on and hope for the best. The end is near, but not quite yet.</p>
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