Comments on: German election results …

By: art deco

art deco — Tue, 25 Feb 2025 19:55:49 +0000

AfD’s platform:
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https://www.afd.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2017-04-12_afd-grundsatzprogramm-englisch_web.pdf

By: art deco

art deco — Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:19:57 +0000

The supposed ‘anti-semitic incidents’ are weak tea:
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/germanys-rising-far-right-afd-is-split-over-israel-jews-call-party-a-danger-either-way/

By: art deco

art deco — Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:14:32 +0000

the fact that the CDU is choosing to grasp at what not so long ago would have been referred to as the “Grand Coalition” option is a sign of desperation rather than of strength.
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You’re getting an idea of the hills on which the CDU bosses want to die. (I’m going to wager the CSU has a significantly different perspective). For them, the ‘cosmopolitan’ dispensation indifferent to Germany’s cultural character is fundamental and maintaining Eurotrash institutions in fundamental. Saying Germany should re-establish a national currency, should leave the EU with its impingements on German sovereignty, should deport bogus refugees, should limit the number of temporary residents permitted in the country, should stop importing a tsunami of foreigners, should stop building cocoons for foreigners, should grant German citizenship selectively, and should make modifications in the political economy to promote child-bearing and child-rearing render you untouchable. See Mr. Clayton’s characterization of this.

By: art deco

art deco — Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:58:29 +0000

To understand the AfD you need to visit the old left behind cities of East Germany, the former DDR. This is where there support is. This is also where there is real nostalgia for the authoritarian regimes of both the post war communist regime and – unbelievably- Hitler. The racism, anti-semitism, desire for a strong state and military is combined with a love for strong leaders such as Putin, Orban and maybe these days Trump. The rest of Germany will reject any Government involving them. In Berlin and the old west Germany they are unpopular and loathed.
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Thanks for the summary of the incestuous chatter in your circle of friends. We’re all enlightened.
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To understand the AfD, you might just read its platform. Since the contents of its platform are unremarkable, they are not quoted by the party’s detractors. Instead , we get the usual gamesmanship that those of us who have been contending with your ilk for decades know only too well. You get a string of epithets. Take it somewhere else. We’ve seen this movie before.

By: JohnTyler

JohnTyler — Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:07:37 +0000

Any political party in Europe that is not socialist or near-socialist is branded as far right.

By: Miguel cervantes

Miguel cervantes — Tue, 25 Feb 2025 13:56:30 +0000

Actually the east experienced communism the left were largely spared
Maybe thats why the deprivation of free speech doesnt faze them apparentl neither does the saracen invaders

By: Chad King

Chad King — Tue, 25 Feb 2025 13:48:32 +0000

I wish people would calibrate their characterizations of foreign political parties. As near as I can tell, the AfD is similar to MAGA, with some mainstream US Democrat party anti-semitism thrown in. Unless you’re MSNBC, AfD has a centrist (or slightly right of center) political philosophy. The CDU is similar to our own center-left (or far left) Democrat party. And the SPD is actually “far left” (not to mention the greens). Perhaps focusing on policies instead of broad brush and inaccurate branding would result in a better understanding of what’s going on in Germany. It’s like Mitch McConnell and the other half dozen squishes in the Senate deciding to form an alliance with Chuck Schumer, rather than the 47 other Republican senators. I suspect that AfD would happily form an alliance with the CDU that got immigration under control and derailed the “green” revolution that is destroying Germany’s economy. The CDU instead will enter into a coalition where neither occurs and will be shocked when the AfD continues to grow in popularity and power.

By: David Clayton

David Clayton — Tue, 25 Feb 2025 12:42:43 +0000

By: Gorgasal

Gorgasal — Tue, 25 Feb 2025 07:12:03 +0000

R2L: boundaries in most of Europe follow historical boundaries, so yes, they can follow rivers and actually meander around in the most amusing way.

Re the post, two details:

(1) The SPD was the major party in the government that just fell, so it was the main architect of managing Germany into the ground. The other two parties in the government were the “classical liberal” FDP and the Greens. And I would argue that the results were so disastrous because the Greens set the agenda. Which of course led to the Greens losing the fewest votes, while the SPD lost a third and the FDP over half, because Germans are crazy.

(2) The “winner” CDU had the second-worst result since 1945.

By: R2L

R2L — Tue, 25 Feb 2025 04:36:40 +0000

Geoffrey Britain on February 24, 2025 at 9:07 pm said:
This map of the results of Germany’s election reveals an insightful metric. The blue ADP areas and the black CDU/SPD areas also match the outlines of the former West and East German cold war demarcations. …
East Germans have no trouble recognizing an authoritarian regime when they are forced to live under one…”

WOW – very “dark” separation there! and also amazing that none of the districts [states?] seem to have a straight line boundary anywhere?? Are they all drawn with rivers or mountains as boundaries?