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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2025 02:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The fact that Steve Miller feels the need to or wants to provide a civics lesson to the press corp may be one solid piece of evidence that the Dept. of Ed. has failed ever since it was initiated.

But also, when he states it so forcefully, it brings home just  how much power is invested in one person (with selected constraints).  It gives me pause, that potentially going forward, we may very well want to reexmine the extent of, and limits on, those powers for our modern high tech world  (vs. what might have been envisioned in 1787). We might conclude we can&#039;t or don&#039;t want to change anything in today&#039;s situation, but perhaps we really ought to have that conversation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Steve Miller feels the need to or wants to provide a civics lesson to the press corp may be one solid piece of evidence that the Dept. of Ed. has failed ever since it was initiated.</p>
<p>But also, when he states it so forcefully, it brings home just  how much power is invested in one person (with selected constraints).  It gives me pause, that potentially going forward, we may very well want to reexmine the extent of, and limits on, those powers for our modern high tech world  (vs. what might have been envisioned in 1787). We might conclude we can&#8217;t or don&#8217;t want to change anything in today&#8217;s situation, but perhaps we really ought to have that conversation.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/02/20/open-thread-2-20-2025/#comment-2789498</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 13:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1) &lt;b&gt;No&lt;/b&gt;, President Trump, your are wrong once again, i.e., America hasn&#039;t given Ukraine &quot;$350-Billion&quot; - &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14418803/Trump-frustration-zelensky-ukraine-russia.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;U.S. has given Ukraine $67 billion in weapons and $31.5 billion in direct budget support&lt;/a&gt;.

2) &lt;a href=&quot;https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1892707061793779883&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;BEST CLIP OF THE DAY FROM STEPHEN KICK ASS MILLER&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;White House press corps learns a civics lesson.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) <b>No</b>, President Trump, your are wrong once again, i.e., America hasn&#8217;t given Ukraine &#8220;$350-Billion&#8221; &#8211; <a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14418803/Trump-frustration-zelensky-ukraine-russia.html" rel="nofollow ugc">U.S. has given Ukraine $67 billion in weapons and $31.5 billion in direct budget support</a>.</p>
<p>2) <a href="https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1892707061793779883" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>BEST CLIP OF THE DAY FROM STEPHEN KICK ASS MILLER</b></a></p>
<blockquote><p>White House press corps learns a civics lesson.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 05:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If there ends up being territorial concessions as part of any peace deal, the citizen&#039;s of Ukraine will have the final say, according to their constitution.

Article 72.
An All-Ukrainian referendum is designated by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine or by the President of Ukraine, in accordance with their authority established by this Constitution.

Article 73
Issues of altering the territory of Ukraine are resolved exclusively by an All-Ukrainian referendum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there ends up being territorial concessions as part of any peace deal, the citizen&#8217;s of Ukraine will have the final say, according to their constitution.</p>
<p>Article 72.<br />
An All-Ukrainian referendum is designated by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine or by the President of Ukraine, in accordance with their authority established by this Constitution.</p>
<p>Article 73<br />
Issues of altering the territory of Ukraine are resolved exclusively by an All-Ukrainian referendum.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 04:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From:  Miguel cervantes on February 20, 2025 at 3:51 pm said:
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h12g11zsqye#autoplay 

&quot;Bat Yam Mayor Tzvika Brot, who arrived at the scene with senior police officials and municipal security teams, urged residents to stay away from the area. &quot;All emergency teams are here, including municipal emergency responders,&quot; Brot said. &quot;I ask residents not to approach the scene as investigations are ongoing.&quot;

Seeing that, I had the awful thought that perhaps next time the terrorists will realize so many valued law enforcement and political folks will converge on a bomb site, so wait until then and then explode another ???

[I wrote the above before reading sdferr&#039;s comment about 9am. That would have been awful as well. (Saving this edit so I can view his links)
Nothing more to add.]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From:  Miguel cervantes on February 20, 2025 at 3:51 pm said:<br />
<a href="https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h12g11zsqye#autoplay" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h12g11zsqye#autoplay</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;Bat Yam Mayor Tzvika Brot, who arrived at the scene with senior police officials and municipal security teams, urged residents to stay away from the area. &#8220;All emergency teams are here, including municipal emergency responders,&#8221; Brot said. &#8220;I ask residents not to approach the scene as investigations are ongoing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seeing that, I had the awful thought that perhaps next time the terrorists will realize so many valued law enforcement and political folks will converge on a bomb site, so wait until then and then explode another ???</p>
<p>[I wrote the above before reading sdferr&#8217;s comment about 9am. That would have been awful as well. (Saving this edit so I can view his links)<br />
Nothing more to add.]</p>
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		By: Bob Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 03:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A video by an experienced pilot analyzing the crash in Toronto. As usual, it’s too early to tell and we need to wait for more facts. Thank goodness the people survived.

https://youtu.be/Z1sHnkF-088?feature=shared]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A video by an experienced pilot analyzing the crash in Toronto. As usual, it’s too early to tell and we need to wait for more facts. Thank goodness the people survived.</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/Z1sHnkF-088?feature=shared" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/Z1sHnkF-088?feature=shared</a></p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 02:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Susan Klausner, I made a poster for the work team for 2/22/22 back then. It was a Tuesday, so I called it TWO&#039;Sday. Unfortunately, I didn&#039;t have the energy to organize a potluck in which every food item would come in pairs. Alas!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan Klausner, I made a poster for the work team for 2/22/22 back then. It was a Tuesday, so I called it TWO&#8217;Sday. Unfortunately, I didn&#8217;t have the energy to organize a potluck in which every food item would come in pairs. Alas!</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/02/20/open-thread-2-20-2025/#comment-2789450</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sdferr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 00:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1892691686699970734

&lt;blockquote&gt; 3 buses exploded in Israel tonight and undetonated bombs were found on another 2 buses.

According to initial reports, they were supposed to explode tomorrow at 9am but instead exploded tonight at 9pm when the buses were empty and not in use &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Another link with photos: https://x.com/Osint613/status/1892674655489597889

And another with &quot;Security footage of terrorist who planted bombs on buses in Gush Dan area.&quot;: https://x.com/TheMossadIL/status/1892723101617852695]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1892691686699970734" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1892691686699970734</a></p>
<blockquote><p> 3 buses exploded in Israel tonight and undetonated bombs were found on another 2 buses.</p>
<p>According to initial reports, they were supposed to explode tomorrow at 9am but instead exploded tonight at 9pm when the buses were empty and not in use </p></blockquote>
<p>Another link with photos: <a href="https://x.com/Osint613/status/1892674655489597889" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/Osint613/status/1892674655489597889</a></p>
<p>And another with &#8220;Security footage of terrorist who planted bombs on buses in Gush Dan area.&#8221;: <a href="https://x.com/TheMossadIL/status/1892723101617852695" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/TheMossadIL/status/1892723101617852695</a></p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/02/20/open-thread-2-20-2025/#comment-2789448</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 00:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ben David, I do recall God&#039;s instructions to the Israelites as they went in to conquer the Canaanites, whose cult practices were an offense to God. Personally, I could support such an approach to this clearly demonic culture in Gaza, and to a large extent in Judea and Samaria as well.

As you point out, many modern Israelis cannot understand, or won&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben David, I do recall God&#8217;s instructions to the Israelites as they went in to conquer the Canaanites, whose cult practices were an offense to God. Personally, I could support such an approach to this clearly demonic culture in Gaza, and to a large extent in Judea and Samaria as well.</p>
<p>As you point out, many modern Israelis cannot understand, or won&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2025 23:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Leica

TommyJay:

I satisfied my Leica itch with a digital Fuji X100T. It&#039;s modeled on the classic film Leica with many of the same controls. The X100T is a great, unobtrusive, everyday carry camera. 

It&#039;s also held its value astonishingly well. In 2016 I paid $949 for a used X100T. Today I would have to pay $888 to replace it.

It&#039;s a pretty cool little camera and the only one I have ever received compliments on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Leica</p>
<p>TommyJay:</p>
<p>I satisfied my Leica itch with a digital Fuji X100T. It&#8217;s modeled on the classic film Leica with many of the same controls. The X100T is a great, unobtrusive, everyday carry camera. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also held its value astonishingly well. In 2016 I paid $949 for a used X100T. Today I would have to pay $888 to replace it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pretty cool little camera and the only one I have ever received compliments on.</p>
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		By: Ben David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2025 23:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jon Baker writes:
You have to manage, not solve the issue.

Israel should just close all land borders they share with Gaza and strengthen their borders. Arm local defense groups.
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This is basically what was foisted upon us during Ariel Sharon&#039;s term in office - Israel&#039;s Leftie elites hamstrung him with lawfare and forced him to evacuate the settlers and continue the Piece Process.

This is also why Iron Dome was invented - but we have learned that it is impossible to seal a border hermetically, and the threat of missiles still means Israelis cannot live normal lives.
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Kate writes:
It is precisely those ethical standards (founded in the Torah) which prevented Israel from simply carpet bombing Gaza without regard to the lives of its monstrous inhabitants.

I don’t know the right answer. I don’t think anyone does.
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It is a mistake to apply these ethical standards to barbarians.
This is part of the sloppy, morally aimless &quot;all cultures are equal&quot; brainwashing.

The Torah requires one to prove their humanity and earn their equality by upholding its moral code.

The ancient Israelites did did not sink to the level of inhuman abuse they saw around them, but they did not treat the Canaanites - or any other pagan neighbor - as their equals, or as &quot;victims&quot; of &quot;colonialism&quot;. The Torah reformed slavery, but still mentions vanquished Canaanites becoming slaves to Jewish victors - pagan nations that still abused the weak and enslaved each other deserved no better.

Similarly, no Christian nation ever &quot;turned the other cheek&quot; in battle with non-Christian enemies - the instruction to turn the other cheek applies to one - a &quot;brother&quot; or &quot;neighbor&quot; in the words of the Torah - who has already taken up their end of the fabric of moral society.

The sages of the Talmud said it best:
&quot;Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind.&quot;
That is what has happened here.
The kindest, most vulnerable have been betrayed by people who wanted to think themselves &quot;lovers of humanity&quot;.... like many Israelis, I have no patience for the crocodile tears of the self-absorbed Lefties whose emotional displays signaled weakness and only made this situation worse. There is nothing more repulsive to me than their continued self-absorbed, unthinking reaction to this story as it unfolds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Baker writes:<br />
You have to manage, not solve the issue.</p>
<p>Israel should just close all land borders they share with Gaza and strengthen their borders. Arm local defense groups.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
This is basically what was foisted upon us during Ariel Sharon&#8217;s term in office &#8211; Israel&#8217;s Leftie elites hamstrung him with lawfare and forced him to evacuate the settlers and continue the Piece Process.</p>
<p>This is also why Iron Dome was invented &#8211; but we have learned that it is impossible to seal a border hermetically, and the threat of missiles still means Israelis cannot live normal lives.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Kate writes:<br />
It is precisely those ethical standards (founded in the Torah) which prevented Israel from simply carpet bombing Gaza without regard to the lives of its monstrous inhabitants.</p>
<p>I don’t know the right answer. I don’t think anyone does.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
It is a mistake to apply these ethical standards to barbarians.<br />
This is part of the sloppy, morally aimless &#8220;all cultures are equal&#8221; brainwashing.</p>
<p>The Torah requires one to prove their humanity and earn their equality by upholding its moral code.</p>
<p>The ancient Israelites did did not sink to the level of inhuman abuse they saw around them, but they did not treat the Canaanites &#8211; or any other pagan neighbor &#8211; as their equals, or as &#8220;victims&#8221; of &#8220;colonialism&#8221;. The Torah reformed slavery, but still mentions vanquished Canaanites becoming slaves to Jewish victors &#8211; pagan nations that still abused the weak and enslaved each other deserved no better.</p>
<p>Similarly, no Christian nation ever &#8220;turned the other cheek&#8221; in battle with non-Christian enemies &#8211; the instruction to turn the other cheek applies to one &#8211; a &#8220;brother&#8221; or &#8220;neighbor&#8221; in the words of the Torah &#8211; who has already taken up their end of the fabric of moral society.</p>
<p>The sages of the Talmud said it best:<br />
&#8220;Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind.&#8221;<br />
That is what has happened here.<br />
The kindest, most vulnerable have been betrayed by people who wanted to think themselves &#8220;lovers of humanity&#8221;&#8230;. like many Israelis, I have no patience for the crocodile tears of the self-absorbed Lefties whose emotional displays signaled weakness and only made this situation worse. There is nothing more repulsive to me than their continued self-absorbed, unthinking reaction to this story as it unfolds.</p>
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