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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fifty years... half a century and more of this stuff... and for what?

I suppose there&#039;s a certain degree to which one could perhaps admire the single-mindedness, but really, what a waste.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fifty years&#8230; half a century and more of this stuff&#8230; and for what?</p>
<p>I suppose there&#8217;s a certain degree to which one could perhaps admire the single-mindedness, but really, what a waste.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 21:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WRT Thomas Friedman et al., I think it’s EASIER for them to conclude that if peace isn’t breaking out all over, then it MUST be Israel’s fault. (And this is the meme—constantly projected—that has snowballed).

Let’s call it the humane, sophisticated, liberal—BUT REALIST, knitted brow—and therefore EXASPERATED POV, that MUST hold that it is up to the—perceived—stronger side in the struggle to make concessions to (and thereby achieve peace with) the—perceived—weaker side. 

Which opinion had become TRUTH. 

There is likely also an element of the pundit’s/journo’s/writer’s personality involved—i.e., the issue of personally wanting (or needing, or believing it possible) to be “in control” and therefore assuming, or rather insisting, that the stronger side IS—or MUST BE—likewise in control and therefore is in a position to bring about peace. 

So that once again if peace is not achieved it s the fault of the—perceived—stronger side. 

All this may be tinged with more than a bit of perfectionism (in the sense of “the perfect being the enemy of the good”) or even messianism. So that Israel MUST be perfect (or at least more understanding, more humane, more stable, MORE WILLING TO TAKE RISKS FOR THAT ELUSIVE BUT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND MOST DESIRABLE GOAL; Israel’s enemies not so much….

Of course, all of the above may well be nonsense on stilts such that the ONLY reason why Israel is blamed by these paragons of analytic incisiveness, profundity and rectitude is because of the perverse sense of satisfaction they feel when blaming Israel for having consistently “nixed” that powerful elixir of PEACE (or not having done nearly enough to bring it about).

Or maybe it’s merely a matter of—to paraphrase Chesterton: if one has convinced oneself that Israel’s enemies NO LONGER HAVE ANY PLANS, AMBITIONS or DESIRE to destroy the Jewish State, then one is able to believe anything….]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRT Thomas Friedman et al., I think it’s EASIER for them to conclude that if peace isn’t breaking out all over, then it MUST be Israel’s fault. (And this is the meme—constantly projected—that has snowballed).</p>
<p>Let’s call it the humane, sophisticated, liberal—BUT REALIST, knitted brow—and therefore EXASPERATED POV, that MUST hold that it is up to the—perceived—stronger side in the struggle to make concessions to (and thereby achieve peace with) the—perceived—weaker side. </p>
<p>Which opinion had become TRUTH. </p>
<p>There is likely also an element of the pundit’s/journo’s/writer’s personality involved—i.e., the issue of personally wanting (or needing, or believing it possible) to be “in control” and therefore assuming, or rather insisting, that the stronger side IS—or MUST BE—likewise in control and therefore is in a position to bring about peace. </p>
<p>So that once again if peace is not achieved it s the fault of the—perceived—stronger side. </p>
<p>All this may be tinged with more than a bit of perfectionism (in the sense of “the perfect being the enemy of the good”) or even messianism. So that Israel MUST be perfect (or at least more understanding, more humane, more stable, MORE WILLING TO TAKE RISKS FOR THAT ELUSIVE BUT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND MOST DESIRABLE GOAL; Israel’s enemies not so much….</p>
<p>Of course, all of the above may well be nonsense on stilts such that the ONLY reason why Israel is blamed by these paragons of analytic incisiveness, profundity and rectitude is because of the perverse sense of satisfaction they feel when blaming Israel for having consistently “nixed” that powerful elixir of PEACE (or not having done nearly enough to bring it about).</p>
<p>Or maybe it’s merely a matter of—to paraphrase Chesterton: if one has convinced oneself that Israel’s enemies NO LONGER HAVE ANY PLANS, AMBITIONS or DESIRE to destroy the Jewish State, then one is able to believe anything….</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 21:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now the same UN has welcomed Fidel Castro Ahmadinejad and the late Hugo Chavez had UBl not bombed the WTC would they have welcomed if he had taken over Arabia

Of course Arabs dont need a theological reason to hate jews see sabri al banna nawatmeh habbash et al as a nationalist]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now the same UN has welcomed Fidel Castro Ahmadinejad and the late Hugo Chavez had UBl not bombed the WTC would they have welcomed if he had taken over Arabia</p>
<p>Of course Arabs dont need a theological reason to hate jews see sabri al banna nawatmeh habbash et al as a nationalist</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 20:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The answer to that, I’m pretty sure, is Iran’s radical interpretation of Shi’a Twelver messianism (and ultimate divinely-ordained triumphalism) combined with the Mullah-Hezbullah nexus. 
(Keep in mind that Fouad Ajami was a Shi’a)

And though Hamas approaches ITS brand of RADICAL Islam from the Sunni end of the spectrum, the uncompromising ideological hatred of the demonic Zionist enemy held in common by both Hamas and Iran is sufficient to paper over any theological differences they might have, though their relationship did suffer significantly during the Syrian civil war. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to that, I’m pretty sure, is Iran’s radical interpretation of Shi’a Twelver messianism (and ultimate divinely-ordained triumphalism) combined with the Mullah-Hezbullah nexus.<br />
(Keep in mind that Fouad Ajami was a Shi’a)</p>
<p>And though Hamas approaches ITS brand of RADICAL Islam from the Sunni end of the spectrum, the uncompromising ideological hatred of the demonic Zionist enemy held in common by both Hamas and Iran is sufficient to paper over any theological differences they might have, though their relationship did suffer significantly during the Syrian civil war.<br />
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 20:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Its a fascinating notion that iconoclastic data analyst yacov applebaum suggests that outcome as proof of recent victories on israels part citing the koran no less

However why did nasrallah really care about the jews in so far as the maronites were the lead foes of the shia in the 80s they contested fatah in the battle over the bourj]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a fascinating notion that iconoclastic data analyst yacov applebaum suggests that outcome as proof of recent victories on israels part citing the koran no less</p>
<p>However why did nasrallah really care about the jews in so far as the maronites were the lead foes of the shia in the 80s they contested fatah in the battle over the bourj</p>
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		By: Dax		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 19:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good comment, Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comment, Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)!</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have made an amateur study of the subject which is more than many so called experts in the field like say tom friedman robin wright et al have done about aspects of the policy well they know to blame israel in every instance like strangeloves salute

The professional arabist vs some iconoclasts like the late hume horan or alberto fernandez both of these i learned from robert kaplan]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have made an amateur study of the subject which is more than many so called experts in the field like say tom friedman robin wright et al have done about aspects of the policy well they know to blame israel in every instance like strangeloves salute</p>
<p>The professional arabist vs some iconoclasts like the late hume horan or alberto fernandez both of these i learned from robert kaplan</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 18:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Israel&#039;s &quot;original sin&quot; was that it failed to be destroyed in 1948-49, a failure that it insisted on repeating during the military and political campaigns that followed since.

Moreover, and perhaps unfairly, Israel---created in &quot;sin&quot;---continues to insist that it should not be destroyed (and has taken measures to prevent its destruction).

The Arabs who have thus far failed to destroy Israel have because of this stubborn, ongoing failure on the part of the Zionist Entity become VICTIMS EXTRAORDINAIRE of what is perceived as Israel&#039;s increasingly inhumane efforts to try to prevent its own destruction...by those pitiful, pitiable and long-suffering victims who have thus far failed to destroy it. 

Hence, for as long as Israel continues to exist, it will continue to &quot;live in sin&quot;, IOW it will continue to deserve destruction; the corollary being that the longer it continues to successfully defend itself, the more it DESERVES to be destroyed.

This originally Arab perspective has spread world-wide because of Israel&#039;s success AND because of what Wretchard has defined as &quot;FRAMING&quot;---in this case how the FRAMING of the I/P conflict has evolved over the past 60-odd years (let&#039;s call it since June 1967).

And so, Israel will continue to have to defend itself...
...keeping in mind that its partners in peace only have to win once.

BUT...but...what MIGHT happen as a result of the the GLOBAL success of the Arab RE-FRAMING of the conflict---IOW, the successful CONVERSION of a once-sympathetic general attitude of people (and countries) WRT the Jewish State to BECOME one of distaste, horror, rage and enmity---could make Israel stronger, as significant numbers of Jews decide they must flee once-friendly environments that have turned hostile to find a new home in Israel. Perhaps.

To be sure, should such a significant, even massive, surge in immigration occur, then Hezbullah&#039;s passionate---as Decent Joe Biden might have favorably considered him---leader, Hassan Nasrallah might have proven to be PROPHETIC...when he claimed, about a decade or so ago, that if the &quot;Glorious Resistance&quot; could somehow manage to get ALL JEWS to move to Israel, Inshallah, it would prove to be tremendously advantageous as it would enable those Jews---being concentrated in one relatively circumscribed location---to be destroyed with the greatest of ease, Inshallah.

(Hmm, wonder if that might have made Nasrallah a Zionist...? 
Well, whether it does---or doesn&#039;t---he can be considered a forward thinking strategist, one of the Arab world&#039;s greatest, in fact...if, perhaps, not forward-looking enough....)

In the end...clearly...God is Great.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel&#8217;s &#8220;original sin&#8221; was that it failed to be destroyed in 1948-49, a failure that it insisted on repeating during the military and political campaigns that followed since.</p>
<p>Moreover, and perhaps unfairly, Israel&#8212;created in &#8220;sin&#8221;&#8212;continues to insist that it should not be destroyed (and has taken measures to prevent its destruction).</p>
<p>The Arabs who have thus far failed to destroy Israel have because of this stubborn, ongoing failure on the part of the Zionist Entity become VICTIMS EXTRAORDINAIRE of what is perceived as Israel&#8217;s increasingly inhumane efforts to try to prevent its own destruction&#8230;by those pitiful, pitiable and long-suffering victims who have thus far failed to destroy it. </p>
<p>Hence, for as long as Israel continues to exist, it will continue to &#8220;live in sin&#8221;, IOW it will continue to deserve destruction; the corollary being that the longer it continues to successfully defend itself, the more it DESERVES to be destroyed.</p>
<p>This originally Arab perspective has spread world-wide because of Israel&#8217;s success AND because of what Wretchard has defined as &#8220;FRAMING&#8221;&#8212;in this case how the FRAMING of the I/P conflict has evolved over the past 60-odd years (let&#8217;s call it since June 1967).</p>
<p>And so, Israel will continue to have to defend itself&#8230;<br />
&#8230;keeping in mind that its partners in peace only have to win once.</p>
<p>BUT&#8230;but&#8230;what MIGHT happen as a result of the the GLOBAL success of the Arab RE-FRAMING of the conflict&#8212;IOW, the successful CONVERSION of a once-sympathetic general attitude of people (and countries) WRT the Jewish State to BECOME one of distaste, horror, rage and enmity&#8212;could make Israel stronger, as significant numbers of Jews decide they must flee once-friendly environments that have turned hostile to find a new home in Israel. Perhaps.</p>
<p>To be sure, should such a significant, even massive, surge in immigration occur, then Hezbullah&#8217;s passionate&#8212;as Decent Joe Biden might have favorably considered him&#8212;leader, Hassan Nasrallah might have proven to be PROPHETIC&#8230;when he claimed, about a decade or so ago, that if the &#8220;Glorious Resistance&#8221; could somehow manage to get ALL JEWS to move to Israel, Inshallah, it would prove to be tremendously advantageous as it would enable those Jews&#8212;being concentrated in one relatively circumscribed location&#8212;to be destroyed with the greatest of ease, Inshallah.</p>
<p>(Hmm, wonder if that might have made Nasrallah a Zionist&#8230;?<br />
Well, whether it does&#8212;or doesn&#8217;t&#8212;he can be considered a forward thinking strategist, one of the Arab world&#8217;s greatest, in fact&#8230;if, perhaps, not forward-looking enough&#8230;.)</p>
<p>In the end&#8230;clearly&#8230;God is Great.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 18:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it unfair to tie morris with the other revisionist i dont think so he opened the door with his extravagant conclussions 

Nearly two generations of israelis have consumed this narrative]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it unfair to tie morris with the other revisionist i dont think so he opened the door with his extravagant conclussions </p>
<p>Nearly two generations of israelis have consumed this narrative</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 18:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[His nephew after 1948, a soviet recruited agent sought to follow in his footsteps his protege ali salameh was the son of his chief aide hassan salameh

Of course it was orde wingate nephew of the british attache in egypt and a committed Christian who trained those who would become the Palmach what would become the Idf in broad strokes]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His nephew after 1948, a soviet recruited agent sought to follow in his footsteps his protege ali salameh was the son of his chief aide hassan salameh</p>
<p>Of course it was orde wingate nephew of the british attache in egypt and a committed Christian who trained those who would become the Palmach what would become the Idf in broad strokes</p>
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