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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/01/25/open-thread-1-25-2025/#comment-2785072</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 07:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Fernandez has a post about AI in general, DeepSeek in particular, and reminds us that we are the product being &quot;sold&quot; --
https://pjmedia.com/richard-fernandez/2025/01/27/belmont-club-stealing-you-n4936415]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Fernandez has a post about AI in general, DeepSeek in particular, and reminds us that we are the product being &#8220;sold&#8221; &#8212;<br />
<a href="https://pjmedia.com/richard-fernandez/2025/01/27/belmont-club-stealing-you-n4936415" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/richard-fernandez/2025/01/27/belmont-club-stealing-you-n4936415</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/01/25/open-thread-1-25-2025/#comment-2785058</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 04:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Karmi:

Interesting website! Best on your developing digs. 

I took your advice and pulled the trigger on Windows 11. I usually wait until the last moment, since in the past with MS, new updates mean new, improved spyware. 

11 seems fine and hasn&#039;t bitten my hand ... yet.

I like David Shapiro for AI videos. He cares about safety, so he was a fan of Claude. I&#039;ll have to catch up with what he says about DeepSeek.

&lt;i&gt;--David Shapiro, &quot;DeepSeek R1 just caught up with OpenAI&#039;s o1 - There is no moat!&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7-4BB-VB2o&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karmi:</p>
<p>Interesting website! Best on your developing digs. </p>
<p>I took your advice and pulled the trigger on Windows 11. I usually wait until the last moment, since in the past with MS, new updates mean new, improved spyware. </p>
<p>11 seems fine and hasn&#8217;t bitten my hand &#8230; yet.</p>
<p>I like David Shapiro for AI videos. He cares about safety, so he was a fan of Claude. I&#8217;ll have to catch up with what he says about DeepSeek.</p>
<p><i>&#8211;David Shapiro, &#8220;DeepSeek R1 just caught up with OpenAI&#8217;s o1 &#8211; There is no moat!&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7-4BB-VB2o" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7-4BB-VB2o</a></i></p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/01/25/open-thread-1-25-2025/#comment-2785057</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 03:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley:

Thanks for the update. ChatGPT 5 will be better than 4.o so I&#039;ll wait.

Just asked ChatGPT - Compare ChatGPT to Claude. Long answer - to long for now. Snippets:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Claude:

 •   Focused on ethical and transparent decision-making.
 •   Excels in avoiding biases and providing thoughtful, well-reasoned answers.
 •   Known for being slightly more cautious in potentially sensitive or ambiguous areas.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is also what other searches have basically said - especially in ref to &quot;ethical&quot; and &quot;avoiding biases&quot; - with the latter possibly being an issue for some. Claude was more like this (with same question):
&lt;blockquote&gt;For the most up-to-date and accurate comparison, I&#039;d encourage checking the official documentation from both Anthropic and OpenAI, as capabilities can change over time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

ChatGPT summed it up like:
&lt;blockquote&gt;In summary, both models excel in different areas. ChatGPT is often more dynamic and versatile, while Claude is great for users prioritizing safety, cautiousness, and clarity. Which one is better depends on your specific needs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Living below the US Poverty guidelines requires me to manage money carefully, so no spending on any AI. I pay $84 a year for X, and Grok comes with that subscription__X is basically a political statement subscription for me. :) Heck, I don&#039;t even have home insurance on my &lt;a href=&quot;https://karmismusingstech.com/index.php/2023/01/11/home-hut-exterior-maintenance-blogs-blogging-on-standby/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;property and humble hut&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; because they want me to insure it for a ridiculous price!?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley:</p>
<p>Thanks for the update. ChatGPT 5 will be better than 4.o so I&#8217;ll wait.</p>
<p>Just asked ChatGPT &#8211; Compare ChatGPT to Claude. Long answer &#8211; to long for now. Snippets:</p>
<blockquote><p>Claude:</p>
<p> •   Focused on ethical and transparent decision-making.<br />
 •   Excels in avoiding biases and providing thoughtful, well-reasoned answers.<br />
 •   Known for being slightly more cautious in potentially sensitive or ambiguous areas.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is also what other searches have basically said &#8211; especially in ref to &#8220;ethical&#8221; and &#8220;avoiding biases&#8221; &#8211; with the latter possibly being an issue for some. Claude was more like this (with same question):</p>
<blockquote><p>For the most up-to-date and accurate comparison, I&#8217;d encourage checking the official documentation from both Anthropic and OpenAI, as capabilities can change over time.</p></blockquote>
<p>ChatGPT summed it up like:</p>
<blockquote><p>In summary, both models excel in different areas. ChatGPT is often more dynamic and versatile, while Claude is great for users prioritizing safety, cautiousness, and clarity. Which one is better depends on your specific needs.</p></blockquote>
<p>Living below the US Poverty guidelines requires me to manage money carefully, so no spending on any AI. I pay $84 a year for X, and Grok comes with that subscription__X is basically a political statement subscription for me. 🙂 Heck, I don&#8217;t even have home insurance on my <a href="https://karmismusingstech.com/index.php/2023/01/11/home-hut-exterior-maintenance-blogs-blogging-on-standby/" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>property and humble hut</b></a> because they want me to insure it for a ridiculous price!?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/01/25/open-thread-1-25-2025/#comment-2785055</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 03:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Karmi:

When I started Chat&#039;ting, I used ChatGPT 3.5, which was free. I switched to ChatGPT 4 (paid) for DALL-E graphic capability. Then to 4.o at the same price.

I asked Chat: 

Is there a difference between the free and pay versions of ChatGPT 4.o?
______________________________________

&lt;i&gt;ChatGPT said:

Yes, there are differences between the free and paid versions of ChatGPT 4.0. Here&#039;s a detailed breakdown:

Free Version:
Limited to GPT-3.5. This version is less capable, especially in terms of reasoning, understanding nuanced prompts, and handling complex tasks.

Paid Version (ChatGPT Plus):
Includes access to GPT-4, specifically GPT-4-turbo (a faster, slightly optimized version of GPT-4). This model is better at reasoning, understanding context, and solving complex problems....&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karmi:</p>
<p>When I started Chat&#8217;ting, I used ChatGPT 3.5, which was free. I switched to ChatGPT 4 (paid) for DALL-E graphic capability. Then to 4.o at the same price.</p>
<p>I asked Chat: </p>
<p>Is there a difference between the free and pay versions of ChatGPT 4.o?<br />
______________________________________</p>
<p><i>ChatGPT said:</p>
<p>Yes, there are differences between the free and paid versions of ChatGPT 4.0. Here&#8217;s a detailed breakdown:</p>
<p>Free Version:<br />
Limited to GPT-3.5. This version is less capable, especially in terms of reasoning, understanding nuanced prompts, and handling complex tasks.</p>
<p>Paid Version (ChatGPT Plus):<br />
Includes access to GPT-4, specifically GPT-4-turbo (a faster, slightly optimized version of GPT-4). This model is better at reasoning, understanding context, and solving complex problems&#8230;.</i></p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/01/25/open-thread-1-25-2025/#comment-2785049</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 02:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley
&lt;blockquote&gt;Turns out that is ChatGPT 3.5&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My free one says &quot;Access to GPT-4o mini&quot; and &quot;Limited access to GPT-4o&quot; and nothing about 3.5. Works great...and it&#039;s free.
&lt;blockquote&gt;which is IMO kinda stupid next to the paid ($20/month) 4.o.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Did you ever pay &quot;$20/month&quot; for ChatGPT 3.5?

I use Grok (I like best), Bing, ChatGPT (whatever free version), Gemini, Perplexity, Claude (a new one for me), and am in the process of testing DeepSeek. They are all free - which works great for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley</p>
<blockquote><p>Turns out that is ChatGPT 3.5</p></blockquote>
<p>My free one says &#8220;Access to GPT-4o mini&#8221; and &#8220;Limited access to GPT-4o&#8221; and nothing about 3.5. Works great&#8230;and it&#8217;s free.</p>
<blockquote><p>which is IMO kinda stupid next to the paid ($20/month) 4.o.</p></blockquote>
<p>Did you ever pay &#8220;$20/month&#8221; for ChatGPT 3.5?</p>
<p>I use Grok (I like best), Bing, ChatGPT (whatever free version), Gemini, Perplexity, Claude (a new one for me), and am in the process of testing DeepSeek. They are all free &#8211; which works great for me.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/01/25/open-thread-1-25-2025/#comment-2785045</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 02:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo:

Was that your Holly Hunter voice?

We like you too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo:</p>
<p>Was that your Holly Hunter voice?</p>
<p>We like you too.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/01/25/open-thread-1-25-2025/#comment-2785043</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 01:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I use the free 4o version of ChatGPT&lt;/i&gt;

Karmi:

Turns out that is ChatGPT 3.5, which is IMO kinda stupid next to the paid ($20/month) 4.o. I&#039;m impressed with ChatGPT 4.o. 

There is also OpenAI&#039;s o1 which is the Pro version for $200/month and more powerful. I&#039;ve not tried it.

https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I use the free 4o version of ChatGPT</i></p>
<p>Karmi:</p>
<p>Turns out that is ChatGPT 3.5, which is IMO kinda stupid next to the paid ($20/month) 4.o. I&#8217;m impressed with ChatGPT 4.o. </p>
<p>There is also OpenAI&#8217;s o1 which is the Pro version for $200/month and more powerful. I&#8217;ve not tried it.</p>
<p><a href="https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing/</a></p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/01/25/open-thread-1-25-2025/#comment-2785041</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 01:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley conveyed:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
I just tried, “what is the New Neo blog?” on ChatGPT 4.o and got a more than adequate summary:
_____________________________

The New Neo blog is a political commentary website run by a blogger known as &lt;b&gt;Neo&lt;/b&gt;.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Mr. Anderson, welcome back....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley conveyed:</p>
<blockquote><p>
I just tried, “what is the New Neo blog?” on ChatGPT 4.o and got a more than adequate summary:<br />
_____________________________</p>
<p>The New Neo blog is a political commentary website run by a blogger known as <b>Neo</b>.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Mr. Anderson, welcome back&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/01/25/open-thread-1-25-2025/#comment-2784999</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2025 20:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley - I use the free 4o version of ChatGPT, but also use Grok as much or more, and Bing, Gemini, and Perplexity. 

neo - you may be too famous at Grok.

Gemini got it wrong. Perplexity missed totally. 

Early tests of DeepSeek are not bad on Fedora using something called &quot;ollama for Mac&quot; - in a terminal. On browsers in Windows I keep getting error messages. I may give Porteus linux a shot next...to see if I can get some GUI version of it or or a web link...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley &#8211; I use the free 4o version of ChatGPT, but also use Grok as much or more, and Bing, Gemini, and Perplexity. </p>
<p>neo &#8211; you may be too famous at Grok.</p>
<p>Gemini got it wrong. Perplexity missed totally. </p>
<p>Early tests of DeepSeek are not bad on Fedora using something called &#8220;ollama for Mac&#8221; &#8211; in a terminal. On browsers in Windows I keep getting error messages. I may give Porteus linux a shot next&#8230;to see if I can get some GUI version of it or or a web link&#8230;</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/01/25/open-thread-1-25-2025/#comment-2784993</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley:

Hey, ChatGPT likes me!!  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley:</p>
<p>Hey, ChatGPT likes me!!  🙂</p>
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