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		By: Ben David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have moved around professionally and now make a living by writing.

My style is greatly simplified from those days in Expository Writing class... much of what I write is read by ESL readers, and even native English speakers have little patience (or focus) for long constructions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have moved around professionally and now make a living by writing.</p>
<p>My style is greatly simplified from those days in Expository Writing class&#8230; much of what I write is read by ESL readers, and even native English speakers have little patience (or focus) for long constructions.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2025 19:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve read old posts I&#039;ve made on forums and I&#039;ll be agreeing 100% before I realize I wrote it. I guess it at least means I&#039;m consistent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read old posts I&#8217;ve made on forums and I&#8217;ll be agreeing 100% before I realize I wrote it. I guess it at least means I&#8217;m consistent.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 22:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Abraxas:

You should try his short stories.  They are rarely about sex.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abraxas:</p>
<p>You should try his short stories.  They are rarely about sex.</p>
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		By: Abraxas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abraxas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 22:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have had the experience of coming across comments in an old discussion and thinking, &quot;Wow! This person gets it!&quot; or &quot;That&#039;s exactly what I&#039;d say!&quot; only to discover that I did say it.  Of course, I&#039;m only likely to look up topics that I care about and know something about.  A lot of my comments about other things are probably clunkers, but I don&#039;t go looking for them.

I don&#039;t think much of Updike&#039;s novels or his poetry.  I suppose much of his poetic oeuvre would have to be better than &quot;The Beautiful Bowel Movement&quot; or the one about pulling the tampon out with his teeth, but those two discouraged me from exploring further.  Updike&#039;s stories are said to be good.  They may be less about his bodily functions and extramarital relationships.  We read the one about shooting the pigeons in the barn in school.  Maybe I was too young to appreciate it.

Updike did keep the New Yorker from going overboard on the woke stuff.  They&#039;ve been liberal or progressive or left for some time, but old white guy Updike represented a demographic that no longer contributes to the magazine.  David Foster Wallace&#039;s critique of Updike is worth reading.  I believe he called Updike (quoting a younger female acquaintance) &quot;a penis with a thesaurus.&quot;  The review was an early sign that this century, at least in our corner of the world, and at least among men, may not be as sex-obsessed as the last:

https://observer.com/1997/10/john-updike-champion-literary-phallocrat-drops-one-is-this-finally-the-end-for-magnificent-narcissists/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had the experience of coming across comments in an old discussion and thinking, &#8220;Wow! This person gets it!&#8221; or &#8220;That&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;d say!&#8221; only to discover that I did say it.  Of course, I&#8217;m only likely to look up topics that I care about and know something about.  A lot of my comments about other things are probably clunkers, but I don&#8217;t go looking for them.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think much of Updike&#8217;s novels or his poetry.  I suppose much of his poetic oeuvre would have to be better than &#8220;The Beautiful Bowel Movement&#8221; or the one about pulling the tampon out with his teeth, but those two discouraged me from exploring further.  Updike&#8217;s stories are said to be good.  They may be less about his bodily functions and extramarital relationships.  We read the one about shooting the pigeons in the barn in school.  Maybe I was too young to appreciate it.</p>
<p>Updike did keep the New Yorker from going overboard on the woke stuff.  They&#8217;ve been liberal or progressive or left for some time, but old white guy Updike represented a demographic that no longer contributes to the magazine.  David Foster Wallace&#8217;s critique of Updike is worth reading.  I believe he called Updike (quoting a younger female acquaintance) &#8220;a penis with a thesaurus.&#8221;  The review was an early sign that this century, at least in our corner of the world, and at least among men, may not be as sex-obsessed as the last:</p>
<p><a href="https://observer.com/1997/10/john-updike-champion-literary-phallocrat-drops-one-is-this-finally-the-end-for-magnificent-narcissists/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://observer.com/1997/10/john-updike-champion-literary-phallocrat-drops-one-is-this-finally-the-end-for-magnificent-narcissists/</a></p>
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		By: SteveS		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/01/11/reading-my-own-posts-on-updike-without-knowing-theyre-mine/#comment-2782129</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 20:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great minds think alike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great minds think alike</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 20:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I hadn’t recently reread the tributes to Updike I wrote at the time of his death fifteen years ago. So I looked them up and was surprised to find that they were identical to what I’d just read.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe the blog&#039;s slow downs are &quot;scraping&quot; bots...?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I hadn’t recently reread the tributes to Updike I wrote at the time of his death fifteen years ago. So I looked them up and was surprised to find that they were identical to what I’d just read.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe the blog&#8217;s slow downs are &#8220;scraping&#8221; bots&#8230;?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 19:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I don’t like any of Updike’s novels. I love his short stories. They are surprisingly different.

--neo&lt;/i&gt;

That could explain my experience. &quot;Towards the End of Time&quot; is a terrible novel I once got for Christmas. It was not because Updike couldn&#039;t maintain proper grammar nor pull off a decent metaphor. I was pleased to find David Foster Wallace calling out Updike:
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&lt;i&gt;It is, of the total 25 Updike books I&#039;ve read, far and away the worst, a novel so mind-bendingly clunky and self-indulgent that it&#039;s hard to believe the author let it be published in this kind of shape.

--David Foster Wallace
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toward_the_End_of_Time&lt;/i&gt;
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But those jewel-like stories Updike wrote for &quot;The New Yorker&quot; were another breed entirely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t like any of Updike’s novels. I love his short stories. They are surprisingly different.</p>
<p>&#8211;neo</i></p>
<p>That could explain my experience. &#8220;Towards the End of Time&#8221; is a terrible novel I once got for Christmas. It was not because Updike couldn&#8217;t maintain proper grammar nor pull off a decent metaphor. I was pleased to find David Foster Wallace calling out Updike:<br />
_______________________________________</p>
<p><i>It is, of the total 25 Updike books I&#8217;ve read, far and away the worst, a novel so mind-bendingly clunky and self-indulgent that it&#8217;s hard to believe the author let it be published in this kind of shape.</p>
<p>&#8211;David Foster Wallace<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toward_the_End_of_Time" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toward_the_End_of_Time</a></i><br />
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<p>But those jewel-like stories Updike wrote for &#8220;The New Yorker&#8221; were another breed entirely.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 19:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tuvea:

LOL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tuvea:</p>
<p>LOL.</p>
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		By: Tuvea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tuvea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was an IT geek sometimes I would look at a program that needed to be “maintained” and would wonder what moron wrote that horrible code.

A lot of the time that moron turned out to be … me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was an IT geek sometimes I would look at a program that needed to be “maintained” and would wonder what moron wrote that horrible code.</p>
<p>A lot of the time that moron turned out to be … me.</p>
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		By: Bruce Hayden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Hayden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do, on occasion, run into something, and say to myself that it sounds like me. And, ultimately it always is. I have a voice, and know it well. For example, I overuse commas and subordinate clauses. Sometimes very long sentences, and paragraphs. Oxford commas. Predicate nominatives. Etc. Often very fact dense. Distinctive, at least to me. 

So far, whenever I have encountered my voice, I have been identified as the author. But that shouldn’t surprise anyone. Neo is a much better righter than I, so I am not surprised that she has encountered stuff that she recognized as her own, that wasn’t obviously attributed to her, and I have not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do, on occasion, run into something, and say to myself that it sounds like me. And, ultimately it always is. I have a voice, and know it well. For example, I overuse commas and subordinate clauses. Sometimes very long sentences, and paragraphs. Oxford commas. Predicate nominatives. Etc. Often very fact dense. Distinctive, at least to me. </p>
<p>So far, whenever I have encountered my voice, I have been identified as the author. But that shouldn’t surprise anyone. Neo is a much better righter than I, so I am not surprised that she has encountered stuff that she recognized as her own, that wasn’t obviously attributed to her, and I have not.</p>
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