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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2025 11:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stewart:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Islamic fundamentalism&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stewart:</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism" rel="nofollow ugc">Islamic fundamentalism</a>.</p>
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		By: Stewart		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stewart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2025 09:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To even consider using a qualifying word such as “fundamentalist” attached to Islam exposes Neo’s understanding as naive. This is the msm level of apologetic timidity towards this political movement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To even consider using a qualifying word such as “fundamentalist” attached to Islam exposes Neo’s understanding as naive. This is the msm level of apologetic timidity towards this political movement.</p>
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		By: Tregonsee314		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tregonsee314]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2025 14:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think our Hostess has hit the nail on the head. There is a commonality here in the case of these two men. They are 1) severely depressed through life failures 2) adherents to Islam. Islam is religion of works, Only your deeds in particular those related to the &quot;5 pillars of Islam&quot; (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam) are of import. In addition your situation in life is directly dependent on HOW you are doing. The faithful are rewarded here as well as in the afterlife similar to the heretical Christian &quot;Health And Wealth&quot; gospel. So we have two men who are having extremely hard times and their religion tells them it is their own fault for failing in their religious duties. 

But wait! There is an escape clause. Anyone who becomes a Shahid, a martyr to the faith achieves a unique and particularly pleasant welcome to the afterlife. So for  folks like these two who see no hope in their earthly future and are already edge suicidal there is joyous resolution (or so they believe) and release from their current pain. Voila yet another would be Shahid is born. Islam is just the gift that keeps on giving.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think our Hostess has hit the nail on the head. There is a commonality here in the case of these two men. They are 1) severely depressed through life failures 2) adherents to Islam. Islam is religion of works, Only your deeds in particular those related to the &#8220;5 pillars of Islam&#8221; (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam</a>) are of import. In addition your situation in life is directly dependent on HOW you are doing. The faithful are rewarded here as well as in the afterlife similar to the heretical Christian &#8220;Health And Wealth&#8221; gospel. So we have two men who are having extremely hard times and their religion tells them it is their own fault for failing in their religious duties. </p>
<p>But wait! There is an escape clause. Anyone who becomes a Shahid, a martyr to the faith achieves a unique and particularly pleasant welcome to the afterlife. So for  folks like these two who see no hope in their earthly future and are already edge suicidal there is joyous resolution (or so they believe) and release from their current pain. Voila yet another would be Shahid is born. Islam is just the gift that keeps on giving.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2025 03:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[HuxleyBob says, &quot;Read the Quran.&quot; 

&lt;i&gt;https://www.clearquran.com/&lt;/i&gt;

Really.

I think a big problem in the world is that most people have not read the Quran.

It&#039;s not long.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HuxleyBob says, &#8220;Read the Quran.&#8221; </p>
<p><i><a href="https://www.clearquran.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.clearquran.com/</a></i></p>
<p>Really.</p>
<p>I think a big problem in the world is that most people have not read the Quran.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not long.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2025 03:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IrishOtter49 on January 4, 2025 at 11:07 am said:
As Mark Steyn observed: “There may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.”

That encapsulates the issue for the West. None of this nonsense about Islamism or &quot;the radical wing of Islam&quot;, or &quot;religion of peace&quot;. But in the final analysis, only the Muslim cultural regions/ people themselves can effect a &quot;converstion&quot;. It is doubtful any change can be obtained from outside beyond killing off 30% of their male populations for 3 or 4 generations in sequence.
 
There may be violently oriented Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddists, agnostics, atheists, etc., but their faiths/beliefs are generally benign enough to have very few murderous adherents. They can live and let live - Islam is not defined that way.
[It does have to be admitted that some religions/religious groups are very strongly oriented to evangelism and &quot;in your face&quot; proselytization, so not quite as benign as most of us might like. When you are convinced, you don&#039;t want to take &quot;no&quot; or &quot;wait a minute&quot; for an answer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IrishOtter49 on January 4, 2025 at 11:07 am said:<br />
As Mark Steyn observed: “There may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.”</p>
<p>That encapsulates the issue for the West. None of this nonsense about Islamism or &#8220;the radical wing of Islam&#8221;, or &#8220;religion of peace&#8221;. But in the final analysis, only the Muslim cultural regions/ people themselves can effect a &#8220;converstion&#8221;. It is doubtful any change can be obtained from outside beyond killing off 30% of their male populations for 3 or 4 generations in sequence.</p>
<p>There may be violently oriented Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddists, agnostics, atheists, etc., but their faiths/beliefs are generally benign enough to have very few murderous adherents. They can live and let live &#8211; Islam is not defined that way.<br />
[It does have to be admitted that some religions/religious groups are very strongly oriented to evangelism and &#8220;in your face&#8221; proselytization, so not quite as benign as most of us might like. When you are convinced, you don&#8217;t want to take &#8220;no&#8221; or &#8220;wait a minute&#8221; for an answer.</p>
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		By: Marlene		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marlene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 17:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Cook wrote &quot;I don’t think Islam ever should have been permitted in this country.&quot;
Same here.  I was appalled at the nearly instant &quot;extra&quot;  protection given it, after 9/11.  (I don&#039;t mean we should allow vigilanteism, but don&#039;t shame us for wanting it out of here.)
And angry with the many who fought to let them build a center very close to the destroyed twin towers. 
Then Obama came in &#038; elevated CAIR.
 Etc.
Allowing a theocratic group all the American protections of a religion, when its  principles are anti-American, anti-Constitutional was/is absurd.  
It keeps proving to be a suicidal mistake.
A strong -- or sane? --  country wouldn&#039;t allow it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Cook wrote &#8220;I don’t think Islam ever should have been permitted in this country.&#8221;<br />
Same here.  I was appalled at the nearly instant &#8220;extra&#8221;  protection given it, after 9/11.  (I don&#8217;t mean we should allow vigilanteism, but don&#8217;t shame us for wanting it out of here.)<br />
And angry with the many who fought to let them build a center very close to the destroyed twin towers.<br />
Then Obama came in &amp; elevated CAIR.<br />
 Etc.<br />
Allowing a theocratic group all the American protections of a religion, when its  principles are anti-American, anti-Constitutional was/is absurd.<br />
It keeps proving to be a suicidal mistake.<br />
A strong &#8212; or sane? &#8212;  country wouldn&#8217;t allow it.</p>
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		By: IrishOtter49		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 16:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As Mark Steyn observed: &quot;There may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Mark Steyn observed: &#8220;There may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Richard F Cook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard F Cook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 12:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the theology, stupid. It&#039;s is within most practitioners of Islam depending where they are in their life. You have to do some fancy dancing to get around what the verses say, the surras and the various schools of jurisprudence. I don&#039;t think Islam ever should have been permitted in this country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the theology, stupid. It&#8217;s is within most practitioners of Islam depending where they are in their life. You have to do some fancy dancing to get around what the verses say, the surras and the various schools of jurisprudence. I don&#8217;t think Islam ever should have been permitted in this country.</p>
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		By: HC68		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 06:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The modern West is vulnerable to jihadi (and some other kinds of) subversion and infiltration because it embodies an unworkable cultural ideal:  the autonomous individual.  Extreme libertarianism is one manifestation of that (note the &#039;extreme&#039; modifier), others include radical feminism and the corporate sector&#039;s desire to reduce customers and employees to fungible atomized elements.

It just doesn&#039;t fit with human nature, &#039;the autonomous individual&#039; fails for the same reason Communism or Esoteric Fascism fails.  It doesn&#039;t _work_ for real people, who start as children and inevitably become dependent in old age, who feel a need for emotional connections to other humans and to a functioning society.

Even a century and a half ago, some observers noticed that some white Americans who joined Amerind tribes, even some who were kidnapped into them were reluctant to return.  One of the reasons was that sense of connection and community, even in the 19C there was an issue with it.  It&#039;s far, far worse today, post 1970s.

Most people, to varying degrees, _need_ that sense of family and community and connection.  If one&#039;s own society doesn&#039;t provide it, or, worse, deliberately subverts it, other sources become very tempting.  Jihadism is the worst and most dangerous such substitute connection (at least at the moment), but others exist.  A lot of why so many highly educated Lefties are so fanatically locked onto their various &#039;isms&#039; is precisely that they&#039;re deriving a sense of self-worth and connection from it.  College educated Western secularists are precisely the people most divorced from all sense of tradition and community.

This might also explain why so many liberal females seem to be even more fanatically obsessed than male liberals, because that need for connection and community and family is even stronger in most women than in most men (though men absolutely feel it too).

Jihadism is the opportunistic infection, but the patient was already sick before it arrived.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The modern West is vulnerable to jihadi (and some other kinds of) subversion and infiltration because it embodies an unworkable cultural ideal:  the autonomous individual.  Extreme libertarianism is one manifestation of that (note the &#8216;extreme&#8217; modifier), others include radical feminism and the corporate sector&#8217;s desire to reduce customers and employees to fungible atomized elements.</p>
<p>It just doesn&#8217;t fit with human nature, &#8216;the autonomous individual&#8217; fails for the same reason Communism or Esoteric Fascism fails.  It doesn&#8217;t _work_ for real people, who start as children and inevitably become dependent in old age, who feel a need for emotional connections to other humans and to a functioning society.</p>
<p>Even a century and a half ago, some observers noticed that some white Americans who joined Amerind tribes, even some who were kidnapped into them were reluctant to return.  One of the reasons was that sense of connection and community, even in the 19C there was an issue with it.  It&#8217;s far, far worse today, post 1970s.</p>
<p>Most people, to varying degrees, _need_ that sense of family and community and connection.  If one&#8217;s own society doesn&#8217;t provide it, or, worse, deliberately subverts it, other sources become very tempting.  Jihadism is the worst and most dangerous such substitute connection (at least at the moment), but others exist.  A lot of why so many highly educated Lefties are so fanatically locked onto their various &#8216;isms&#8217; is precisely that they&#8217;re deriving a sense of self-worth and connection from it.  College educated Western secularists are precisely the people most divorced from all sense of tradition and community.</p>
<p>This might also explain why so many liberal females seem to be even more fanatically obsessed than male liberals, because that need for connection and community and family is even stronger in most women than in most men (though men absolutely feel it too).</p>
<p>Jihadism is the opportunistic infection, but the patient was already sick before it arrived.</p>
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		By: John+Guilfoyle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 03:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Islam functions to provide a societal connection to God and rites of passages for life — birth, marriage and death,
What more do you want?&quot; - huxley

Well...to be honest for one thing...or at least truthful about Islam. The Masons provide precisely what you describe above but assiduously avoid calling themselves a &quot;religion.&quot; They&#039;re a cult too...but that&#039;s another day&#039;s story.

Islam is a warrior ideology that glorifies killing your enemies or dying in the attempt, subjugating and enslaving non-Muslims and lying to achieve those ends. Describing it like a social club with wacky rituals just doesn&#039;t cut it. And I suspect you know that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Islam functions to provide a societal connection to God and rites of passages for life — birth, marriage and death,<br />
What more do you want?&#8221; &#8211; huxley</p>
<p>Well&#8230;to be honest for one thing&#8230;or at least truthful about Islam. The Masons provide precisely what you describe above but assiduously avoid calling themselves a &#8220;religion.&#8221; They&#8217;re a cult too&#8230;but that&#8217;s another day&#8217;s story.</p>
<p>Islam is a warrior ideology that glorifies killing your enemies or dying in the attempt, subjugating and enslaving non-Muslims and lying to achieve those ends. Describing it like a social club with wacky rituals just doesn&#8217;t cut it. And I suspect you know that.</p>
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