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		By: om		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The myth lives on.]]></description>
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		By: IrishOtter49		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2024 00:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey and om:

Can you fellows read? I said: &quot;From the standpoint of Americans. . . .&quot; And I qualified what I wrote with &quot;mostly.&quot;

Americans who fell into the hands of Wehrmacht units were, &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;for the most part,&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; treated decently and correctly. 

I am not addressing Wehrmacht behavior on the Eastern Front, nor am I addressing the treatment of FFI fighters and operatives. 

The &quot;Myth of the Clean Wehrmacht&quot; is used largely in reference to Wehrmacht and Waffen SS conduct in the war in the East.

There were exceptions, of course. E.g., the Malmedy Massacre and the Oradour Massacre. These were, however, perpetrated by by Waffen SS units. Not Wehrmacht.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey and om:</p>
<p>Can you fellows read? I said: &#8220;From the standpoint of Americans. . . .&#8221; And I qualified what I wrote with &#8220;mostly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Americans who fell into the hands of Wehrmacht units were, <i><b>for the most part,</b></i> treated decently and correctly. </p>
<p>I am not addressing Wehrmacht behavior on the Eastern Front, nor am I addressing the treatment of FFI fighters and operatives. </p>
<p>The &#8220;Myth of the Clean Wehrmacht&#8221; is used largely in reference to Wehrmacht and Waffen SS conduct in the war in the East.</p>
<p>There were exceptions, of course. E.g., the Malmedy Massacre and the Oradour Massacre. These were, however, perpetrated by by Waffen SS units. Not Wehrmacht.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2024 23:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Irish Otter:

A sort assessment of the clean Wehrmacht in WWII

&lt;b&gt;Clean Wehrmacht Myth: Necessary? feat. Prof. Neitzel  - Military History Not Visualized&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1IVENFSRi0

&lt;blockquote&gt;
In this video Professor Neitzel discusses the Clean Wehrmacht Myth and if it was necessary for post-war Germany (Federal Republic of Germany - &quot;West Germany&quot;) or not. Additionally, he also briefly talks about how Austria and the German Democratic Republic (&quot;East Germany&quot;) dealt with former Wehrmacht veterans in their ranks.

Disclaimer: I received a pre-release ebook of Prof. Neitzel’s Book “ Deutsche Krieger. Vom Kaiserreich zur Berliner Republik – eine Militärgeschichte ”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

IIRC on the Eastern Front the Wehrmacht were knee deep in the atrocities, on the Western Front the Wehrmacht were involved in numerous actions (atrocities) in dealing with the French resistance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irish Otter:</p>
<p>A sort assessment of the clean Wehrmacht in WWII</p>
<p><b>Clean Wehrmacht Myth: Necessary? feat. Prof. Neitzel  &#8211; Military History Not Visualized</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1IVENFSRi0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1IVENFSRi0</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
In this video Professor Neitzel discusses the Clean Wehrmacht Myth and if it was necessary for post-war Germany (Federal Republic of Germany &#8211; &#8220;West Germany&#8221;) or not. Additionally, he also briefly talks about how Austria and the German Democratic Republic (&#8220;East Germany&#8221;) dealt with former Wehrmacht veterans in their ranks.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I received a pre-release ebook of Prof. Neitzel’s Book “ Deutsche Krieger. Vom Kaiserreich zur Berliner Republik – eine Militärgeschichte ”.</p></blockquote>
<p>IIRC on the Eastern Front the Wehrmacht were knee deep in the atrocities, on the Western Front the Wehrmacht were involved in numerous actions (atrocities) in dealing with the French resistance.</p>
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		By: Turtler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2024 21:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Roberto Sanchez

&lt;blockquote&gt; Well, there aren’t any. Israel killed them all by day 3 carpet bombing all the apartment buildings. Anyone who didn’t figure that out by day 10 does not have a functioning frontal lobe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, you’re the one without a functioning lobe, frontal or back.

“Israel killed them all by Day 3 carpet bombing all the apartment buildings”? This is absolute blood libel horseshit.

For one, we have hostages that have been rescued after more than Day 300 of Captivity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna168373

So obviously not all of them were killed by Israel on Day 3.

For two, the IDF have been finding other hostages who were executed far more recently, probably in order to prevent a rescue, and without injuries that would fit with friendly fire.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdjgevlv839o.amp

That also destroys the idea of all hostages having being killed by Day 3. 

For Three: Even if we ignored all of that and pretended your Jew hating blood libel was true, *it would be incumbent upon Hamas to acknowledge all the hostages are now dead* as part of the peace process, presumably so that it can turn over the bodies. It has refused to do that. Indeed, it has refused to even make the claim your butt head did and say “you killed them all inshallah.”

Which by logic means your claim is not even supported by Hamas etc al.

Fourthly: “They allege died by friendly fire of bombing apartment buildings” is so stupid. Very few of the hostages found dead or alive were in apartment buildings topside, but instead in fortified underground positions like tunnels and bunkers, often in the same general complex as the apartment buildings but distinct from them. Like most totalitarian cults Hamas values its negotiating chips far more than it does the lives of “its people.”

Fifth: If the Israelis were “carpet bombing all apartment buildings” we’d know about it, for starters from drone footage. That hasn’t happened.

But sure, we’re the ones who lack frontal lobes in working order because we can point to the objectively true and living hostages rescued long after Day 3.  

Riiiight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roberto Sanchez</p>
<blockquote><p> Well, there aren’t any. Israel killed them all by day 3 carpet bombing all the apartment buildings. Anyone who didn’t figure that out by day 10 does not have a functioning frontal lobe.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, you’re the one without a functioning lobe, frontal or back.</p>
<p>“Israel killed them all by Day 3 carpet bombing all the apartment buildings”? This is absolute blood libel horseshit.</p>
<p>For one, we have hostages that have been rescued after more than Day 300 of Captivity.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna168373" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna168373</a></p>
<p>So obviously not all of them were killed by Israel on Day 3.</p>
<p>For two, the IDF have been finding other hostages who were executed far more recently, probably in order to prevent a rescue, and without injuries that would fit with friendly fire.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdjgevlv839o.amp" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdjgevlv839o.amp</a></p>
<p>That also destroys the idea of all hostages having being killed by Day 3. </p>
<p>For Three: Even if we ignored all of that and pretended your Jew hating blood libel was true, *it would be incumbent upon Hamas to acknowledge all the hostages are now dead* as part of the peace process, presumably so that it can turn over the bodies. It has refused to do that. Indeed, it has refused to even make the claim your butt head did and say “you killed them all inshallah.”</p>
<p>Which by logic means your claim is not even supported by Hamas etc al.</p>
<p>Fourthly: “They allege died by friendly fire of bombing apartment buildings” is so stupid. Very few of the hostages found dead or alive were in apartment buildings topside, but instead in fortified underground positions like tunnels and bunkers, often in the same general complex as the apartment buildings but distinct from them. Like most totalitarian cults Hamas values its negotiating chips far more than it does the lives of “its people.”</p>
<p>Fifth: If the Israelis were “carpet bombing all apartment buildings” we’d know about it, for starters from drone footage. That hasn’t happened.</p>
<p>But sure, we’re the ones who lack frontal lobes in working order because we can point to the objectively true and living hostages rescued long after Day 3.  </p>
<p>Riiiight.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2024 21:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Irish.
Speaking relatively of the Wehrmacht, and versus the SS.
&quot;I&#039;m not SS, I&#039;m WaffenSS&quot;.  Supposed to not be quite as bad as the SS itself.
I&#039;m not WaffenSS, I&#039;m Wehrmacht.&quot;  Supposedly better than the Waffen guys.
Said to Allied troops when taken prisnoer.
After the war, at Great Lakes Naval Station--I think that was the place--when a lot of troops were stationed there temporarily, in transit to demob, it was discovered that some of the kitchen help (POW) were not Wehrmacht but, instead, SS.   The troops rioted and there were some of the help killed.


And, not so cool on the Eastern Front.

Still, the Brits awarded three VC on representations of German officers of actions they d witnessed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irish.<br />
Speaking relatively of the Wehrmacht, and versus the SS.<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m not SS, I&#8217;m WaffenSS&#8221;.  Supposed to not be quite as bad as the SS itself.<br />
I&#8217;m not WaffenSS, I&#8217;m Wehrmacht.&#8221;  Supposedly better than the Waffen guys.<br />
Said to Allied troops when taken prisnoer.<br />
After the war, at Great Lakes Naval Station&#8211;I think that was the place&#8211;when a lot of troops were stationed there temporarily, in transit to demob, it was discovered that some of the kitchen help (POW) were not Wehrmacht but, instead, SS.   The troops rioted and there were some of the help killed.</p>
<p>And, not so cool on the Eastern Front.</p>
<p>Still, the Brits awarded three VC on representations of German officers of actions they d witnessed.</p>
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		By: IrishOtter49		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2024 19:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the standpoint of Americans the British were mostly honorable, also the Germans in WW1 and Wehrmacht Germans in WW2. Mostly. Not SS, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the standpoint of Americans the British were mostly honorable, also the Germans in WW1 and Wehrmacht Germans in WW2. Mostly. Not SS, though.</p>
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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/28/hamas-wont-give-israel-a-list-of-living-hostages/#comment-2779816</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2024 19:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps Mr.Sanchez could tell us what a Buff is.]]></description>
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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2024 14:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Carpet bombing lolololololo lolololololo!]]></description>
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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They are dead, they have been dead since Oct7]]></description>
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		By: Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t help but notice the similarity between the position of Hamas on revealing hostage names and Nancy Pelosi&#039;s position on revealing the contents of the legislation establishing Obamacare, to wit, &quot;We&#039;ll let you know after we get what we want.&quot;  Pretty sure the outcome of this bargaining position will be similar, to wit: they get what they want.  Period.  Anyone who accedes to this is either a knave or a fool, and quite likely both.  As an aside, I note that islam continues to be the only major world religion that has at its core animosity toward others not sharing its belief system.  Islam is not something that can be admitted into a society without ultimately resulting in conflict.  Islam is to non-islamic societies  as a virus is to a host organism.  Once it gains access, the outcome is sure: either the host eradicates the virus or the virus eradicates the host.  The myth of &quot;peaceful islam&quot; is a taqqiya tactic that ends once a sufficient number of moslems becomes embedded in the fabric of any non-islamic society, at which point the true nature of islam, viz., conquest and domination or elimination of all &quot;infidels&quot; will be violently revealed.  Read the koran, study the hadiths and the traditional islamic interpretations thereof.  If you can&#039;t or won&#039;t bring yourself to do so, at least study--even in a cursory fashion--history.  Any leader of a non-islamic country that countenances admission of moslems is a traitor and should be treated as such.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but notice the similarity between the position of Hamas on revealing hostage names and Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s position on revealing the contents of the legislation establishing Obamacare, to wit, &#8220;We&#8217;ll let you know after we get what we want.&#8221;  Pretty sure the outcome of this bargaining position will be similar, to wit: they get what they want.  Period.  Anyone who accedes to this is either a knave or a fool, and quite likely both.  As an aside, I note that islam continues to be the only major world religion that has at its core animosity toward others not sharing its belief system.  Islam is not something that can be admitted into a society without ultimately resulting in conflict.  Islam is to non-islamic societies  as a virus is to a host organism.  Once it gains access, the outcome is sure: either the host eradicates the virus or the virus eradicates the host.  The myth of &#8220;peaceful islam&#8221; is a taqqiya tactic that ends once a sufficient number of moslems becomes embedded in the fabric of any non-islamic society, at which point the true nature of islam, viz., conquest and domination or elimination of all &#8220;infidels&#8221; will be violently revealed.  Read the koran, study the hadiths and the traditional islamic interpretations thereof.  If you can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t bring yourself to do so, at least study&#8211;even in a cursory fashion&#8211;history.  Any leader of a non-islamic country that countenances admission of moslems is a traitor and should be treated as such.</p>
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