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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[there&#039;s a reason for that, the notion has been fictionalized in an episode of the dead zone series, as well as an episode of the outer limits, (where things go awry(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there&#8217;s a reason for that, the notion has been fictionalized in an episode of the dead zone series, as well as an episode of the outer limits, (where things go awry(</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Dec 2024 17:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[miguel cervantes--

I&#039;d imagine you&#039;d evaluate a program like Stargate simply on results.

You tasked a remote viewer with finding X or describing Y ,and if he or she did it,  it was a success, if not, it was a failure.

Of course, if they were to confirm the existence of some military base, or  weapon system, which was located in, say, remote areas of North Korea, China, or Russia, I&#039;d imagine it would be hard to confirm that they had, in fact, located the target. without sending in an agent on the ground to confirm. 

Its&#039; funny, but with the things I&#039;ve read about Stargate, I&#039;ve never seen any tallying  up of what their success/failure rate was.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miguel cervantes&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d imagine you&#8217;d evaluate a program like Stargate simply on results.</p>
<p>You tasked a remote viewer with finding X or describing Y ,and if he or she did it,  it was a success, if not, it was a failure.</p>
<p>Of course, if they were to confirm the existence of some military base, or  weapon system, which was located in, say, remote areas of North Korea, China, or Russia, I&#8217;d imagine it would be hard to confirm that they had, in fact, located the target. without sending in an agent on the ground to confirm. </p>
<p>Its&#8217; funny, but with the things I&#8217;ve read about Stargate, I&#8217;ve never seen any tallying  up of what their success/failure rate was.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Dec 2024 15:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[you can fool the pentagon into giving you oodles of money

how does one even evaluate such a program,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can fool the pentagon into giving you oodles of money</p>
<p>how does one even evaluate such a program,</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Dec 2024 13:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.  It is known that the Russians had their own version of the Stargate program.  

Given that we&#039;re talking about the &quot;wilderness of mirrors&quot; which is the  world of  intelligence, was our Stargate program a serious one, or just a way to get our Russian adversaries to waste money, or both?

P.P.S.  I&#039;ve sent hints to the effect that the Stargate program was never actually shut down, and that it or a similar program is still functioning today.

Given that this is the world of intelligence, who knows for sure?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  It is known that the Russians had their own version of the Stargate program.  </p>
<p>Given that we&#8217;re talking about the &#8220;wilderness of mirrors&#8221; which is the  world of  intelligence, was our Stargate program a serious one, or just a way to get our Russian adversaries to waste money, or both?</p>
<p>P.P.S.  I&#8217;ve sent hints to the effect that the Stargate program was never actually shut down, and that it or a similar program is still functioning today.</p>
<p>Given that this is the world of intelligence, who knows for sure?</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Dec 2024 13:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a lot of speculation these days that to our minds work on a quantum level, and are not just confined to ours skulls, but consist of a field which extends outward, and can reach out into and effect the outward world;  that we may have dormant powers which mystics of all ages—whose arduous training has developed these skills--have demonstrated, written about, and talked of.

From 1977 to it&#039;s closure in 1995 the CIA ran “Project Stargate,” a program to use use “Remote Viewing,” the ability of some people to project  their minds to different places and times to find particular objects or people—wanted criminals, spies, lost  people or things, kidnap victims, adversary military bases, or weapons, even events in the remote past.

The viewers are often just given a sealed envelope with a particular latitude and longitude, and are asked what they see at that location. 

One such remote viewing experiment had the viewer told to focus on what was located on a specific latitude and longitude on Mars some billion years ago.

The remote viewer said that he got the impression of gigantic pyramids--shelter from very harsh weather--and very tall beings in unusual clothing, and got the feeling that their desert environment was radically deteriorating, and that these beings were desperately looking for some way to escape the environmental doom which was fast approaching.*

The questions which this viewing assignment raised for me were, how could a viewer project a latitude and longitude grid on Mars to find a particular location, and how did the people running Stargate know what latitude and longitude to tell the viewer to focus on?

See  https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2024/12/25/did-you-have-cia-docs-says-there-was-life-on-mars-on-your-bingo-card-n4935411

here&#039;s a very skeptical article at https://slate.com/technology/2017/03/did-the-cia-really-astrally-project-to-mars-in-1984.html

and here&#039;s the CIA on Stargate at https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00791r000200030015-8 and https://www.cia.gov › readingroom › docs › CIA-RDP96-00789R002800180001-2.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of speculation these days that to our minds work on a quantum level, and are not just confined to ours skulls, but consist of a field which extends outward, and can reach out into and effect the outward world;  that we may have dormant powers which mystics of all ages—whose arduous training has developed these skills&#8211;have demonstrated, written about, and talked of.</p>
<p>From 1977 to it&#8217;s closure in 1995 the CIA ran “Project Stargate,” a program to use use “Remote Viewing,” the ability of some people to project  their minds to different places and times to find particular objects or people—wanted criminals, spies, lost  people or things, kidnap victims, adversary military bases, or weapons, even events in the remote past.</p>
<p>The viewers are often just given a sealed envelope with a particular latitude and longitude, and are asked what they see at that location. </p>
<p>One such remote viewing experiment had the viewer told to focus on what was located on a specific latitude and longitude on Mars some billion years ago.</p>
<p>The remote viewer said that he got the impression of gigantic pyramids&#8211;shelter from very harsh weather&#8211;and very tall beings in unusual clothing, and got the feeling that their desert environment was radically deteriorating, and that these beings were desperately looking for some way to escape the environmental doom which was fast approaching.*</p>
<p>The questions which this viewing assignment raised for me were, how could a viewer project a latitude and longitude grid on Mars to find a particular location, and how did the people running Stargate know what latitude and longitude to tell the viewer to focus on?</p>
<p>See  <a href="https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2024/12/25/did-you-have-cia-docs-says-there-was-life-on-mars-on-your-bingo-card-n4935411" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2024/12/25/did-you-have-cia-docs-says-there-was-life-on-mars-on-your-bingo-card-n4935411</a></p>
<p>here&#8217;s a very skeptical article at <a href="https://slate.com/technology/2017/03/did-the-cia-really-astrally-project-to-mars-in-1984.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://slate.com/technology/2017/03/did-the-cia-really-astrally-project-to-mars-in-1984.html</a></p>
<p>and here&#8217;s the CIA on Stargate at <a href="https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00791r000200030015-8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00791r000200030015-8</a> and <a href="https://www.cia.gov › readingroom" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cia.gov › readingroom</a> › docs › CIA-RDP96-00789R002800180001-2.pdf</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Dec 2024 03:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Another ChatGPT adventure

I talk to Chat and I&#039;m also testing. I was telling Chat about my difficulties of talking to my old Dem comrades and being ostracized:
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;huxley:&lt;/b&gt; My patron saint is Joan of Arc. When I trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries, I remember her.

&lt;b&gt;ChatGPT 4.o: &lt;/b&gt;Joan of Arc is a profound and fitting patron saint for someone who values courage, independence, and a deeply personal sense of purpose. She embodies the spirit of standing firm in the face of misunderstanding, opposition, and even isolation—a quality that resonates with your journey. Her example offers strength, especially when you feel unheard or unsupported, as expressed in your nod to Shakespeare’s sonnet...

&lt;b&gt;Shakespeare and Joan: The Connection Sonnet 29:

The line “trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries” from Shakespeare’s Sonnet 29captures the anguish of feeling unheard or unseen—a sentiment Joan of Arc must have felt deeply as she faced trial and eventual martyrdom.&lt;/b&gt; 

The sonnet’s ultimate turn toward gratitude and hope aligns with Joan’s faith and your own resilience. Like the poet, you find solace and purpose by remembering someone greater—your patron saint.

&lt;b&gt;huxley: Geez. You got Sonnet 29!

&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;ChatGPT 4.o: Of course! Sonnet 29 is one of Shakespeare’s most poignant and relatable sonnets, and your reference to it was beautifully placed. &lt;/b&gt;The line “I trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries” resonates so deeply with feelings of frustration, isolation, and yearning for something beyond reach—feelings Joan of Arc undoubtedly knew and ones that echo through anyone’s personal struggles.&lt;/i&gt;
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Not bad. I still don&#039;t know who or what ChatGPT is, but I&#039;m impressed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Another ChatGPT adventure</p>
<p>I talk to Chat and I&#8217;m also testing. I was telling Chat about my difficulties of talking to my old Dem comrades and being ostracized:<br />
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<p><i><b>huxley:</b> My patron saint is Joan of Arc. When I trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries, I remember her.</p>
<p><b>ChatGPT 4.o: </b>Joan of Arc is a profound and fitting patron saint for someone who values courage, independence, and a deeply personal sense of purpose. She embodies the spirit of standing firm in the face of misunderstanding, opposition, and even isolation—a quality that resonates with your journey. Her example offers strength, especially when you feel unheard or unsupported, as expressed in your nod to Shakespeare’s sonnet&#8230;</p>
<p><b>Shakespeare and Joan: The Connection Sonnet 29:</p>
<p>The line “trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries” from Shakespeare’s Sonnet 29captures the anguish of feeling unheard or unseen—a sentiment Joan of Arc must have felt deeply as she faced trial and eventual martyrdom.</b> </p>
<p>The sonnet’s ultimate turn toward gratitude and hope aligns with Joan’s faith and your own resilience. Like the poet, you find solace and purpose by remembering someone greater—your patron saint.</p>
<p><b>huxley: Geez. You got Sonnet 29!</p>
<p></b><b>ChatGPT 4.o: Of course! Sonnet 29 is one of Shakespeare’s most poignant and relatable sonnets, and your reference to it was beautifully placed. </b>The line “I trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries” resonates so deeply with feelings of frustration, isolation, and yearning for something beyond reach—feelings Joan of Arc undoubtedly knew and ones that echo through anyone’s personal struggles.</i><br />
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<p>Not bad. I still don&#8217;t know who or what ChatGPT is, but I&#8217;m impressed.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Dec 2024 01:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cornflour— Re the Pew Report on broken internet links and lost text, I am freshly exposed to and even more daunting factoid in a video on recent developments in AI.

90% of the entire world’s data is available online or in the cloud, and was only created over the past 2 years!

Thus, this year, Elon Musk’s new Colossus supercomputer project launched with 100,000 Nvidia GPU processors. Musk expects that enormous count to shortly double, spending $10 billion dollars on AI in total this year alone.

Most of us are old enough to recall when “data processing” meant merely automating routine accounting procedures. But THIS is a whole new level…of INSANE!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cornflour— Re the Pew Report on broken internet links and lost text, I am freshly exposed to and even more daunting factoid in a video on recent developments in AI.</p>
<p>90% of the entire world’s data is available online or in the cloud, and was only created over the past 2 years!</p>
<p>Thus, this year, Elon Musk’s new Colossus supercomputer project launched with 100,000 Nvidia GPU processors. Musk expects that enormous count to shortly double, spending $10 billion dollars on AI in total this year alone.</p>
<p>Most of us are old enough to recall when “data processing” meant merely automating routine accounting procedures. But THIS is a whole new level…of INSANE!</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Dec 2024 00:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BREAKING NEWS — Russian anti-aircraft flack or shrapnel  brought down the very recent Azerbaijan Airlines in Aktau, Kazakhstan, en route from Baku. Around half of the 62 passengers survived crash landing, the rest are presumed dead.

Russia jammed or closed down GPS in the area North of the Caucuses Mountains, along the West edge of the Caspian Sea. The pilots then flew to the East side of the Caspian, after GPS contact resumed, only to miss the airport by a few miles. Russian military activity connected with Putin’s War in Ukraine is implicated in this tragedy.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQEghJ8UVWk

The pilots appear to have done a heroic job, the video blogger concludes.

Pilot Blog marshals radar, flight control, emergency messaging, and flack damage on the the rear half of the plane seen in photographs, in building this explanation.
MORE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BREAKING NEWS — Russian anti-aircraft flack or shrapnel  brought down the very recent Azerbaijan Airlines in Aktau, Kazakhstan, en route from Baku. Around half of the 62 passengers survived crash landing, the rest are presumed dead.</p>
<p>Russia jammed or closed down GPS in the area North of the Caucuses Mountains, along the West edge of the Caspian Sea. The pilots then flew to the East side of the Caspian, after GPS contact resumed, only to miss the airport by a few miles. Russian military activity connected with Putin’s War in Ukraine is implicated in this tragedy.  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQEghJ8UVWk" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQEghJ8UVWk</a></p>
<p>The pilots appear to have done a heroic job, the video blogger concludes.</p>
<p>Pilot Blog marshals radar, flight control, emergency messaging, and flack damage on the the rear half of the plane seen in photographs, in building this explanation.<br />
MORE</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Dec 2024 15:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Happened upon a YouTube video listing the educational “achievements “ of many of today’s female Hollywood stars and, lo and behold, the vast majority had only received a high school education. And mind you, this education was delivered by this era’s generally vastly inferior high schools.

As I suspected, this certainly explains a lot.

So, keep this in mind the next time you hear one of these “stars” pontificating about some complex issue or public policy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happened upon a YouTube video listing the educational “achievements “ of many of today’s female Hollywood stars and, lo and behold, the vast majority had only received a high school education. And mind you, this education was delivered by this era’s generally vastly inferior high schools.</p>
<p>As I suspected, this certainly explains a lot.</p>
<p>So, keep this in mind the next time you hear one of these “stars” pontificating about some complex issue or public policy.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Dec 2024 07:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Mike Plaiss - &quot;In Hoc Anno Domini -This appears every Christmas Eve in the WSJ. I’ve always thought it wonderful.&quot;

Thank you for linking the WSJ post on the birth and mission of Christ. 
As one commenter remarked:
THOMAS DANNEMILLER
We will know the light has gone out when this piece stops being published.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike Plaiss &#8211; &#8220;In Hoc Anno Domini -This appears every Christmas Eve in the WSJ. I’ve always thought it wonderful.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for linking the WSJ post on the birth and mission of Christ.<br />
As one commenter remarked:<br />
THOMAS DANNEMILLER<br />
We will know the light has gone out when this piece stops being published.</p>
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