Comments on: Vicious murder on the NY subway

By: Snow on Pine

Snow on Pine — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 15:25:57 +0000

P.P.S.–A very facile come back to my catalogue of dysfunction above is that the things which I enumerated above were always happening in the past, but it’s just that, with the enormous expansion in communication, and our access to a wide range of national news, we are now much more aware of what has always been going on our society.

My reply is, I know what the general atmosphere of our society felt like back then, and I know what it feels like today, and they are two very different different things.

Here is another item to add to my list above–yesterday a month old baby in a diaper and in an infant seat was left on a median strip of a busy street in Colorado. Apparently the police have located “the family” and are “in communication” with them.*

I’d have hauled them all in for questioning.

* See https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/one-month-old-baby-left-median-busy-colorado/

By: Snow on Pine

Snow on Pine — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 15:08:24 +0000

P.S.–Of course, you can say,”it was always thus” but, old as I am at 80, I can remember when it wasn’t “thus.”

By: Snow on Pine

Snow on Pine — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 14:56:06 +0000

Slashings of strangers in public places, “drivebys” and shoot outs in public venues, and on our streets, the “knock out” game, people using cars to deliberately run people over, brazen Tik Tok “Pranksters”–invading people’s homes, assaulting them, or pouring substances over them for clicks, people shoved in front of subway cars, and now burnt to death, shoplifting–not only by individuals, but by organized, large groups of dozens of people who are really just looters–like a plague of locusts–who, in a frenzy, sometimes loot/sack an entire store, destroying what they cannot take, brazen, smash and grab robberies, crazy people (also often on drugs) wandering our streets, harassing, and sometimes attacking people, defecating in public, and getting into all sorts of trouble, living in squalid, rodent, drug, and disease ridden encampments which have grown up in many of our major cities, etc.,etc.

There is a sense of permissiveness in the air–“defund the police,” sue the police, the sovereign citizen movement, the treatment of Daniel Penny, tear down the statues of our formerly honored predecessors, massive handouts to illegals and the “homeless,” drug laws “reformed” or eliminated, sanctuary cities, decriminalizing some thefts/lawbreaking, while penalizing self-defense–banning certain pistols and rifles, making it difficult for a law-abiding citizen to get a weapon permit to defend himself and his family or business and, more and more frequently, it seems, prosecuting those who do use justified violence to defend themselves and their families and businesses, etc.,etc.

Add this permissiveness to mental illness, drug use, general criminality, and criminal illegal aliens, and our society is in deep trouble.

By: Art Deco

Art Deco — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 13:00:05 +0000

As Peterson points out, as our society becomes ever more high tech, fast paced, and complex, people with very low IQ’s will find it harder and harder to keep up, find a steady job, and have a satisfactory life.
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See Edward Banfield on this subject. Public intellectuals have been peddling this bilge for two generations.
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Technology is getting more complex. The steps to be applied for a consumer to make use of technology are not, btw.

By: Art Deco

Art Deco — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:56:43 +0000

PETERSON DISCOVERED THAT IT COULD NOT BE DONE.
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You fancy there are 27 million adults in the country who cannot fold a piece of paper? Buy my bridge.

By: om

om — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:13:45 +0000

Sometimes anectdotes have more legs than a millipede.

By: Snow on Pine

Snow on Pine — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 03:32:08 +0000

From the videos I’ve seen it looks like someone dressed like a cop passed by the open subway car door, where you could apparently clearly see the women was on fire–burning alive–and that person just kept on going.

By: Snow on Pine

Snow on Pine — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 02:34:13 +0000

P.S. Burying the data.

If I remember correctly, several years ago I ran across an analysis which pointed out that some researcher had shoveled out a whole ton of “bafflegab,” by presenting his results in deliberately distorted, impeneterable charts and graphs within which he hid his data.

By: TJ

TJ — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 01:33:17 +0000

Thanks for your posts, Snow on Pine. Thoughtfully enlarging the discussion here.
Re Art Deco and great oral on IQ, I’d like to add what Jordan Peterson memorably impressed upon me.

Peterson worked with a man of the functional borderline type (below 83, I believe, the US military’s cut off for utility).

He imagined a test of employability/unemployability spent on subject by first identifying the lowest level valuable task he might do for an organisation.

Therefore, he spent a considerable amount of time trying to train him in the childhood skill of tri-folding a standard size piece of paper, suitable for enveloping and mailing.

PETERSON DISCOVERED THAT IT COULD NOT BE DONE.
Sometimes, reality really is a bitch.

By: AppleBetty

AppleBetty — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 01:20:31 +0000

Thanks, Snow on Pine.

I asked perplexity.ai about this, and got:

“People with an IQ of around 85, which is at the lower end of the normal range, face distinct challenges but can lead productive lives. Here’s a comprehensive look at their experiences in the US:

“Employment and Income: They tend to work in unskilled or low-skilled labor positions; face more limited occupational opportunities compared to those with higher IQs; may experience higher rates of poverty (16% live in poverty compared to 6% of those with average IQ).

“Education: Higher dropout rates from high school (35% compared to 6% of those with average IQ); may require more time and effort to learn new skills; can succeed academically with proper support and determination.

“Social and Daily Life: Often develop their own methods for handling tasks and overcoming challenges; can maintain relationships and social connections; may need more time to process complex information; can succeed professionally through strong work ethic and social skills

“Challenges: May struggle with complex cognitive tasks; higher risk of experiencing financial difficulties; more likely to need social support services; face increased vulnerability to stress and mental health issues.

“Can compensate for cognitive challenges through: Strong work ethic; development of practical skills; social capabilities; common sense; determination.

“It’s important to note that IQ is just one measure of capability, and individuals with lower IQ scores can achieve success through other strengths and abilities. Many develop effective coping strategies and excel in areas that rely on practical skills rather than abstract reasoning.”

The principle references were:
— https://www.reddit.com/r/AskSocialScience/comments/jn93lc/placecapability_of_people_with_low_iq_in_society/
— https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/aj9xf/by_request_i_have_an_iq_of_85_amaa/
(reddit, but seemingly a serious discussion)