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		By: Ray So Ca		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/21/the-wild-and-wacky-world-of-car-rental/#comment-2779097</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray So Ca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2024 16:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Autoslash.com has lower prices than going direct. 

My lowest price last trip was combining the car rental with a hotel stay at Priceline.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autoslash.com has lower prices than going direct. </p>
<p>My lowest price last trip was combining the car rental with a hotel stay at Priceline.</p>
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		By: Linda S Fox		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/21/the-wild-and-wacky-world-of-car-rental/#comment-2779025</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linda S Fox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2024 01:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hotels.com may access their car rentals on a sort of Overstock playbook. They can get a block of rental cars at a low price, thereby limiting the floor that the rental companies might otherwise face. It allows the rental companies to hedge their bets, and makes it easier to rent the cars that remain.

By using the car rental option on hotels.com, I have been able to benefit from prices that are at least 1/2, and often 1/3 or less than the car rental sites.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hotels.com may access their car rentals on a sort of Overstock playbook. They can get a block of rental cars at a low price, thereby limiting the floor that the rental companies might otherwise face. It allows the rental companies to hedge their bets, and makes it easier to rent the cars that remain.</p>
<p>By using the car rental option on hotels.com, I have been able to benefit from prices that are at least 1/2, and often 1/3 or less than the car rental sites.</p>
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		By: JD Keene		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD Keene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Dec 2024 20:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See AI, run the other way
See EV, run the other way
See CA, run the other way
At least I am old and won&#039;t have to deal with this for long. The young folks can ask AI why they are unhappy with their mandated EV in CA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See AI, run the other way<br />
See EV, run the other way<br />
See CA, run the other way<br />
At least I am old and won&#8217;t have to deal with this for long. The young folks can ask AI why they are unhappy with their mandated EV in CA.</p>
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		By: Cornflour		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornflour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Dec 2024 17:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:

I just looked at the &quot;stackexchange&quot; conversation that is citation 6 in the Perplexity answer.

At stackexchange, the question was the same as yours, but the renter received a 60% discount.  That&#039;s quite a bit, though not as much as yours.  Still, I&#039;d say close enough for jazz, or a blog comment.
  
Below, I&#039;ve copied the reponse that might fit your situation.  Please note that the responder begins by writing &quot;It is, of course, impossible to say ... &quot;

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stackexchange response:

&quot;It is of course impossible to say what happened exactly in your case, but in other situations where I have come across similar savings from brokers, not only restricted to car rentals, but also hotel rooms and flight tickets, the broker often has had a &#039;minimum use&#039; clause in their contract.&quot;

&quot;It may for example be, that the broker is managing 100 cars from the rental company&#039;s fleet and is additionally guaranteeing that at least 20 cars are in use at any time, if not, the broker may be required to pay the rental company for the use anyway as had the car been rented out. If the broker now realizes that it can&#039;t realistically expect to rent out 20 cars at a profitable rate due to low demand, the broker may decide to drop the rate so low, that they are in fact selling with a loss, but is still minimizing their losses.&quot;
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A few comments here are a bit similar to the stackexchange response, even if no one else has used the phrase &quot;minimum use clause.&quot;  Maybe there&#039;s a loose consensus.

I also like grandpagrumble&#039;s suggestion that hotel.com made a mistake.

P.S.  Hope you had a good trip.  Starting it off with a car rental discount must have been a good omen, even though it&#039;s hard to accept that you might have been just a cog in a fleeting low demand / high supply situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:</p>
<p>I just looked at the &#8220;stackexchange&#8221; conversation that is citation 6 in the Perplexity answer.</p>
<p>At stackexchange, the question was the same as yours, but the renter received a 60% discount.  That&#8217;s quite a bit, though not as much as yours.  Still, I&#8217;d say close enough for jazz, or a blog comment.</p>
<p>Below, I&#8217;ve copied the reponse that might fit your situation.  Please note that the responder begins by writing &#8220;It is, of course, impossible to say &#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p>____________________</p>
<p>stackexchange response:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is of course impossible to say what happened exactly in your case, but in other situations where I have come across similar savings from brokers, not only restricted to car rentals, but also hotel rooms and flight tickets, the broker often has had a &#8216;minimum use&#8217; clause in their contract.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It may for example be, that the broker is managing 100 cars from the rental company&#8217;s fleet and is additionally guaranteeing that at least 20 cars are in use at any time, if not, the broker may be required to pay the rental company for the use anyway as had the car been rented out. If the broker now realizes that it can&#8217;t realistically expect to rent out 20 cars at a profitable rate due to low demand, the broker may decide to drop the rate so low, that they are in fact selling with a loss, but is still minimizing their losses.&#8221;<br />
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<p>A few comments here are a bit similar to the stackexchange response, even if no one else has used the phrase &#8220;minimum use clause.&#8221;  Maybe there&#8217;s a loose consensus.</p>
<p>I also like grandpagrumble&#8217;s suggestion that hotel.com made a mistake.</p>
<p>P.S.  Hope you had a good trip.  Starting it off with a car rental discount must have been a good omen, even though it&#8217;s hard to accept that you might have been just a cog in a fleeting low demand / high supply situation.</p>
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		By: Grandpagrumble		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’d say that hotels.com made a mistake.  It happens and has happened to me also.   Not only on a car rental but even on a vacation rental once.  Did I call it to their attention and do the right thing?   No and Yes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d say that hotels.com made a mistake.  It happens and has happened to me also.   Not only on a car rental but even on a vacation rental once.  Did I call it to their attention and do the right thing?   No and Yes.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Dec 2024 12:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cornflour:

I&#039;d say &quot;nice try&quot; to AI, because as in my answer above to Sandra, it couldn&#039;t explain the enormity of the discount.  The price I got was between 75% and 90% off the regular price.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cornflour:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say &#8220;nice try&#8221; to AI, because as in my answer above to Sandra, it couldn&#8217;t explain the enormity of the discount.  The price I got was between 75% and 90% off the regular price.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Dec 2024 12:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sandra:

I had a tiny number of those - nothing that would explain the enormity of the discount.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandra:</p>
<p>I had a tiny number of those &#8211; nothing that would explain the enormity of the discount.</p>
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		By: Sandra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Dec 2024 12:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes hotel sites give you points for booking through them, then later when you book a hotel or rental car you get to use the points, maybe that’s it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes hotel sites give you points for booking through them, then later when you book a hotel or rental car you get to use the points, maybe that’s it?</p>
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		By: Cornflour		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Dec 2024 11:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I read Neo&#039;s post, I thought &quot;this sounds like a question for an AI.&quot;  so I went to perplxity.ai and asked.  I&#039;ve copied the answer below, including citations to the sources used to compose the answer.

I know this takes the fun out of reading a blog; but, for better or worse, I had an answer in much less time than it took me to type the question.  I know there&#039;s a faction of anti-AI commenters here, but maybe I can wear them down.
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The significant price difference between renting a car through Hotels.com and major car rental companies like Enterprise can be attributed to several factors:

1. Business Model Differences

Third-Party Brokers vs. Direct Rentals: Websites like Hotels.com often act as third-party brokers that aggregate deals from various rental companies, allowing them to offer competitive pricing. They can negotiate bulk rates with rental agencies, passing on savings to consumers[6].

Dynamic Pricing: Major rental companies may implement dynamic pricing strategies that adjust rates based on demand, location, and other factors, which can lead to higher prices during peak times[4].

2. Additional Fees and Charges

Hidden Costs: Major car rental companies frequently add numerous fees (e.g., airport surcharges, fuel charges, insurance) that can inflate the final rental cost significantly. In contrast, third-party sites may present a more straightforward pricing structure without these additional fees upfront[4][6].

Insurance Options: When booking through a broker, customers may have the option to include insurance at lower rates or have it covered by credit card benefits, which can further reduce costs compared to purchasing insurance directly from the rental company[2].

3. Location Factors

Airport vs. Off-Airport Rentals: Renting a car at an airport typically incurs higher costs due to location-based fees. In contrast, rentals booked through third-party sites may often be sourced from off-airport locations where prices are generally lower[4].

4. Promotions and Discounts

Special Offers: Hotels.com and similar platforms frequently run promotions or discounts that are not available when booking directly with car rental companies. These offers can significantly lower the overall cost of renting a vehicle[6][8].

5. Consumer Behavior and Market Competition

Increased Competition: The rise of various online travel agencies and peer-to-peer car rental services has increased competition in the market, prompting traditional rental companies to adjust their pricing strategies to remain competitive[2][6].

Consumer Preferences: Some consumers prefer the convenience of booking through a single platform for both accommodations and rentals, which can lead to better deals as part of package offerings[3].

In summary, the lower prices available through Hotels.com compared to major car rental companies can be attributed to differences in business models, additional fees imposed by direct rental agencies, strategic pricing practices, promotional offers, and increased market competition.

Citations:

[1] https://www.choicehotels.com/choice-privileges/avis-budget
[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/turo/comments/t5i6pv/why_would_you_choose_toro_over_rental_car_company/
[3] https://www.booking.com/cars/index.html
[4] https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/is-it-cheaper-to-rent-a-car-at-the-airport
[5] https://www.expedia.com/Car-Rentals-In-The-Woodlands.d6932.Car-Rental-Guide
[6] https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/169411/massive-price-difference-between-broker-and-rental-car-company
[7] https://www.expedia.com/Car-Rentals-In-Houston.d178265.Car-Rental-Guide
[8] https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/find-cheap-car-rental
[9] https://www.hotels.com
[10] https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/34890/why-are-round-trip-car-rentals-much-cheaper-than-one-way-car-rentals]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read Neo&#8217;s post, I thought &#8220;this sounds like a question for an AI.&#8221;  so I went to perplxity.ai and asked.  I&#8217;ve copied the answer below, including citations to the sources used to compose the answer.</p>
<p>I know this takes the fun out of reading a blog; but, for better or worse, I had an answer in much less time than it took me to type the question.  I know there&#8217;s a faction of anti-AI commenters here, but maybe I can wear them down.<br />
______________________________________________________________</p>
<p>The significant price difference between renting a car through Hotels.com and major car rental companies like Enterprise can be attributed to several factors:</p>
<p>1. Business Model Differences</p>
<p>Third-Party Brokers vs. Direct Rentals: Websites like Hotels.com often act as third-party brokers that aggregate deals from various rental companies, allowing them to offer competitive pricing. They can negotiate bulk rates with rental agencies, passing on savings to consumers[6].</p>
<p>Dynamic Pricing: Major rental companies may implement dynamic pricing strategies that adjust rates based on demand, location, and other factors, which can lead to higher prices during peak times[4].</p>
<p>2. Additional Fees and Charges</p>
<p>Hidden Costs: Major car rental companies frequently add numerous fees (e.g., airport surcharges, fuel charges, insurance) that can inflate the final rental cost significantly. In contrast, third-party sites may present a more straightforward pricing structure without these additional fees upfront[4][6].</p>
<p>Insurance Options: When booking through a broker, customers may have the option to include insurance at lower rates or have it covered by credit card benefits, which can further reduce costs compared to purchasing insurance directly from the rental company[2].</p>
<p>3. Location Factors</p>
<p>Airport vs. Off-Airport Rentals: Renting a car at an airport typically incurs higher costs due to location-based fees. In contrast, rentals booked through third-party sites may often be sourced from off-airport locations where prices are generally lower[4].</p>
<p>4. Promotions and Discounts</p>
<p>Special Offers: Hotels.com and similar platforms frequently run promotions or discounts that are not available when booking directly with car rental companies. These offers can significantly lower the overall cost of renting a vehicle[6][8].</p>
<p>5. Consumer Behavior and Market Competition</p>
<p>Increased Competition: The rise of various online travel agencies and peer-to-peer car rental services has increased competition in the market, prompting traditional rental companies to adjust their pricing strategies to remain competitive[2][6].</p>
<p>Consumer Preferences: Some consumers prefer the convenience of booking through a single platform for both accommodations and rentals, which can lead to better deals as part of package offerings[3].</p>
<p>In summary, the lower prices available through Hotels.com compared to major car rental companies can be attributed to differences in business models, additional fees imposed by direct rental agencies, strategic pricing practices, promotional offers, and increased market competition.</p>
<p>Citations:</p>
<p>[1] <a href="https://www.choicehotels.com/choice-privileges/avis-budget" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.choicehotels.com/choice-privileges/avis-budget</a><br />
[2] <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/turo/comments/t5i6pv/why_would_you_choose_toro_over_rental_car_company/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.reddit.com/r/turo/comments/t5i6pv/why_would_you_choose_toro_over_rental_car_company/</a><br />
[3] <a href="https://www.booking.com/cars/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.booking.com/cars/index.html</a><br />
[4] <a href="https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/is-it-cheaper-to-rent-a-car-at-the-airport" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/is-it-cheaper-to-rent-a-car-at-the-airport</a><br />
[5] <a href="https://www.expedia.com/Car-Rentals-In-The-Woodlands.d6932.Car-Rental-Guide" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.expedia.com/Car-Rentals-In-The-Woodlands.d6932.Car-Rental-Guide</a><br />
[6] <a href="https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/169411/massive-price-difference-between-broker-and-rental-car-company" rel="nofollow ugc">https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/169411/massive-price-difference-between-broker-and-rental-car-company</a><br />
[7] <a href="https://www.expedia.com/Car-Rentals-In-Houston.d178265.Car-Rental-Guide" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.expedia.com/Car-Rentals-In-Houston.d178265.Car-Rental-Guide</a><br />
[8] <a href="https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/find-cheap-car-rental" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/find-cheap-car-rental</a><br />
[9] <a href="https://www.hotels.com" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.hotels.com</a><br />
[10] <a href="https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/34890/why-are-round-trip-car-rentals-much-cheaper-than-one-way-car-rentals" rel="nofollow ugc">https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/34890/why-are-round-trip-car-rentals-much-cheaper-than-one-way-car-rentals</a></p>
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		By: DisGuested		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Dec 2024 06:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is an epic deal. The only explanation I can offer us that years ago I learned priceline could undercut hotel nights because they would prepurchase the rooms then needed to unload as that date came. I always had good deals through USAA but more recently Costco travel beats them every time. I always use enterprise and rack up the points for free days. Here is my tip: rent the lowest/cheapest car class you are willing to deal with then let them upsell ($12-15 per day) to get into a much nicer car that is available. I have gotten amazing deals on really nice vehicles that way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an epic deal. The only explanation I can offer us that years ago I learned priceline could undercut hotel nights because they would prepurchase the rooms then needed to unload as that date came. I always had good deals through USAA but more recently Costco travel beats them every time. I always use enterprise and rack up the points for free days. Here is my tip: rent the lowest/cheapest car class you are willing to deal with then let them upsell ($12-15 per day) to get into a much nicer car that is available. I have gotten amazing deals on really nice vehicles that way.</p>
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