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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/12/open-thread-12-12-2024/#comment-2777186</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 22:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Molly Brown, I like that idea.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly Brown, I like that idea.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/12/open-thread-12-12-2024/#comment-2777110</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 13:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.the-sun.com/news/13085654/israel-preparing-strikes-irans-nuclear-bases/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Israel preparing blitz on ‘isolated &#038; weak’ Iran’s nuke bases&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Israel believes Iran is more desperate than ever to build a nuclear bomb

The IDF is readying itself for the strikes after it wiped out 85 per cent of the remnants of Assad’s military - clearing the way for its aircraft and missiles.

Netanyahu&#039;s government has now confirmed it will capitalise on the rare opportunity to strike Iran after the Islamic nation’s allies have been dropping like flies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.the-sun.com/news/13085654/israel-preparing-strikes-irans-nuclear-bases/" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>Israel preparing blitz on ‘isolated &amp; weak’ Iran’s nuke bases</b></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Israel believes Iran is more desperate than ever to build a nuclear bomb</p>
<p>The IDF is readying itself for the strikes after it wiped out 85 per cent of the remnants of Assad’s military &#8211; clearing the way for its aircraft and missiles.</p>
<p>Netanyahu&#8217;s government has now confirmed it will capitalise on the rare opportunity to strike Iran after the Islamic nation’s allies have been dropping like flies.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/12/open-thread-12-12-2024/#comment-2777097</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 11:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Friday the 13th starts out as really bad day for Progressives...

• &lt;a href=&quot;https://x.com/i/trending/1867530466011615353&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Musk Declares Recycling &#039;Pointless&#039;, Ignites Debate&lt;/a&gt;

The next one is especially for all the #MeToo’ers out there...
• &lt;a href=&quot;https://x.com/i/trending/1867531868192567449&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Crystal Mangum Admits 2006 Duke Lacrosse Rape Claim Was Fabricated&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Crystal Mangum, who accused three Duke University lacrosse players of rape in 2006, has now admitted on a podcast that she fabricated the entire story. This admission comes over 18 years after the initial accusations, which led to a significant legal and social controversy. Mangum, who is currently serving a life sentence for a murder conviction, stated her false testimony was wrong and hopes for forgiveness from the accused.

This story is a summary of posts on X and may evolve over time. &lt;b&gt;Grok can make mistakes&lt;/b&gt;, verify its outputs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Doing time for second-degree murder since Nov. 2013 – sentenced to ‘&lt;i&gt;serve a minimum of 14 years and two months and a maximum of 17 years and nine months in prison&lt;/i&gt;’ she is probably working for the minimum for a parole...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friday the 13th starts out as really bad day for Progressives&#8230;</p>
<p>• <a href="https://x.com/i/trending/1867530466011615353" rel="nofollow ugc">Musk Declares Recycling &#8216;Pointless&#8217;, Ignites Debate</a></p>
<p>The next one is especially for all the #MeToo’ers out there&#8230;<br />
• <a href="https://x.com/i/trending/1867531868192567449" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>Crystal Mangum Admits 2006 Duke Lacrosse Rape Claim Was Fabricated</b></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Crystal Mangum, who accused three Duke University lacrosse players of rape in 2006, has now admitted on a podcast that she fabricated the entire story. This admission comes over 18 years after the initial accusations, which led to a significant legal and social controversy. Mangum, who is currently serving a life sentence for a murder conviction, stated her false testimony was wrong and hopes for forgiveness from the accused.</p>
<p>This story is a summary of posts on X and may evolve over time. <b>Grok can make mistakes</b>, verify its outputs.</p></blockquote>
<p>Doing time for second-degree murder since Nov. 2013 – sentenced to ‘<i>serve a minimum of 14 years and two months and a maximum of 17 years and nine months in prison</i>’ she is probably working for the minimum for a parole&#8230;</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/12/open-thread-12-12-2024/#comment-2777096</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 11:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I am also puzzled why the US govt. bent over backwards to label it an unfortunate “mistake.”&quot;

Because doing otherwise would not only have opened a political can of worms but an intelligence can of worms as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am also puzzled why the US govt. bent over backwards to label it an unfortunate “mistake.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Because doing otherwise would not only have opened a political can of worms but an intelligence can of worms as well.</p>
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		By: BenDavid		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/12/open-thread-12-12-2024/#comment-2777089</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BenDavid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 10:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A great discussion of this from a well-known cinema thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ_Zwl6_nKY]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great discussion of this from a well-known cinema thread:<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ_Zwl6_nKY" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ_Zwl6_nKY</a></p>
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		By: Molly+Brown		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/12/open-thread-12-12-2024/#comment-2777078</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Molly+Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 08:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ingrid Bergman was masterly at the long take.  Her response to Albert Finney&#039;s (as Poirot) questioning in &#039;Murder on the Orient Express&#039; is considered film acting perfection.  IIRC, she got a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for the role.
Is it time for a whole thread on &#039;Casablanca&#039;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ingrid Bergman was masterly at the long take.  Her response to Albert Finney&#8217;s (as Poirot) questioning in &#8216;Murder on the Orient Express&#8217; is considered film acting perfection.  IIRC, she got a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for the role.<br />
Is it time for a whole thread on &#8216;Casablanca&#8217;?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/12/open-thread-12-12-2024/#comment-2777048</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 03:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Is that literally something like “the beshitter”?&lt;/i&gt;

Niketas Choniates:

It&#039;s hard to miss the &lt;i&gt;merde&lt;/i&gt; in &lt;i&gt;L’Emmerdeur&lt;/i&gt;. That would be my literal translation.

Or someone who figuratively puts others in the merde.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is that literally something like “the beshitter”?</i></p>
<p>Niketas Choniates:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to miss the <i>merde</i> in <i>L’Emmerdeur</i>. That would be my literal translation.</p>
<p>Or someone who figuratively puts others in the merde.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/12/open-thread-12-12-2024/#comment-2777044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 03:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@huxley:&lt;i&gt;L’Emmerdeur &lt;/i&gt;

Is that literally something like &quot;the beshitter&quot;? A guy who gets crap all over everything? But used in the same sense that we would use &quot;troublemaker&quot; or &quot;pain in the ass&quot;?

One of the characters in the Baroque Cycle acquires that sobriquet in France, which is where I first encountered it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@huxley:<i>L’Emmerdeur </i></p>
<p>Is that literally something like &#8220;the beshitter&#8221;? A guy who gets crap all over everything? But used in the same sense that we would use &#8220;troublemaker&#8221; or &#8220;pain in the ass&#8221;?</p>
<p>One of the characters in the Baroque Cycle acquires that sobriquet in France, which is where I first encountered it.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/12/open-thread-12-12-2024/#comment-2777039</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 03:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As it happens, I&#039;m now reading Tom Wolfe&#039;s &quot;The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test&quot; in French. 

Given Wolfe&#039;s complex, experimental prose, his vast writing vocabulary, and the unusual culture, i.e. the hippies, Wolfe describes, this is the hardest book in French I&#039;ve read.

Hoo boy! The translator does not understand that era. I&#039;m not even sure if he understands American English all that well.

I know perfect translation is an impossible task, but some are better than others. I&#039;m only 18 pages in and the translator makes a bone-headed mistake every other page. 

Example: Ron Bevirt was an ex-Army guy, who fell in with Kesey&#039;s group, the Merry Pranksters, described in &quot;Electric Kool-Aid.&quot; He acquired the nickname, Hassler, because he was the guy who got the audio/visual equipment to work for the Acid Tests. Hassler was an affectionate nickname.

Yet the French translator called him  &lt;i&gt;L&#039;Emmerdeur&lt;/i&gt; which means &quot;troublemaker&quot; or &quot;pain in the ass.&quot;

Clueless. I could go on.

--Critical Stoner]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it happens, I&#8217;m now reading Tom Wolfe&#8217;s &#8220;The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test&#8221; in French. </p>
<p>Given Wolfe&#8217;s complex, experimental prose, his vast writing vocabulary, and the unusual culture, i.e. the hippies, Wolfe describes, this is the hardest book in French I&#8217;ve read.</p>
<p>Hoo boy! The translator does not understand that era. I&#8217;m not even sure if he understands American English all that well.</p>
<p>I know perfect translation is an impossible task, but some are better than others. I&#8217;m only 18 pages in and the translator makes a bone-headed mistake every other page. </p>
<p>Example: Ron Bevirt was an ex-Army guy, who fell in with Kesey&#8217;s group, the Merry Pranksters, described in &#8220;Electric Kool-Aid.&#8221; He acquired the nickname, Hassler, because he was the guy who got the audio/visual equipment to work for the Acid Tests. Hassler was an affectionate nickname.</p>
<p>Yet the French translator called him  <i>L&#8217;Emmerdeur</i> which means &#8220;troublemaker&#8221; or &#8220;pain in the ass.&#8221;</p>
<p>Clueless. I could go on.</p>
<p>&#8211;Critical Stoner</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/12/open-thread-12-12-2024/#comment-2777017</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 00:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Casablanca scene

It is about 25 seconds long and it does go by quickly, carried by Sam&#039;s iconic singing of the iconic song, &quot;As Time Goes By.&quot; 

It&#039;s at the 32:51 mark in &quot;Casablanca&quot; for those as obsessive as I am.

I&#039;m reminded of &quot;Yellow Submarine&quot; when the Beatles are passing through the Sea of Time and sing &quot;When I&#039;m 64&quot; while an animated visual display counts up the seconds to a minute and four seconds:
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&lt;i&gt;sixty-four years is 33,661440 minutes and &lt;b&gt;one minute&lt;/b&gt; is a long time ..........

let us dem&lt;b&gt;0&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;nstrate
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It takes forever to reach 64 seconds. 

Of course, most of the audience was wacked one way or another. I know I was. :-)

That&#039;s at 29:45 in &quot;Yellow Submarine.&quot;  

--Critical Stoner]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Casablanca scene</p>
<p>It is about 25 seconds long and it does go by quickly, carried by Sam&#8217;s iconic singing of the iconic song, &#8220;As Time Goes By.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s at the 32:51 mark in &#8220;Casablanca&#8221; for those as obsessive as I am.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of &#8220;Yellow Submarine&#8221; when the Beatles are passing through the Sea of Time and sing &#8220;When I&#8217;m 64&#8221; while an animated visual display counts up the seconds to a minute and four seconds:<br />
________________________________</p>
<p><i>sixty-four years is 33,661440 minutes and <b>one minute</b> is a long time &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>let us dem<b>0</b></i>nstrate<br />
________________________________</p>
<p>It takes forever to reach 64 seconds. </p>
<p>Of course, most of the audience was wacked one way or another. I know I was. 🙂</p>
<p>That&#8217;s at 29:45 in &#8220;Yellow Submarine.&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8211;Critical Stoner</p>
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