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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Luigi’s parents’ names are unclear at the time of publication. However, multiple outlets reported that they own the Turf Valley Resort and the Hayes Country Club, which are both located in Maryland.

The Hayfields Country Club’s website indicates that the venue is a “family-owned, private country club overlooking the spectacular views of Oregon Ridge” in Hunt Valley, Maryland. The club offers members “exclusive access to an elite golf course, practice facilities, recreational activities and casual dining.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

https://hollywoodlife.com/feature/luigi-mangione-parents-5352657/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Luigi’s parents’ names are unclear at the time of publication. However, multiple outlets reported that they own the Turf Valley Resort and the Hayes Country Club, which are both located in Maryland.</p>
<p>The Hayfields Country Club’s website indicates that the venue is a “family-owned, private country club overlooking the spectacular views of Oregon Ridge” in Hunt Valley, Maryland. The club offers members “exclusive access to an elite golf course, practice facilities, recreational activities and casual dining.”</p></blockquote>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Has anyone read anything specific about his family&#039;s wealth? His immediate family, mom and dad? Or their occupations?

I&#039;ve read details about his grandfather&#039;s wealth. He did well. But I believe I read the grandfather and grandmother had 10 children and there are at least 30 grandchildren. Did all that wealth trickle down? Did the 10 siblings all go into their father&#039;s business and do as well, or better?

Luigi&#039;s High School tuition was in the elite tier, but I&#039;ve heard of wealthy grandparents setting up funds earmarked for prep or boarding school for all their grandkids.

I don&#039;t have an opinion on his parents&#039; wealth, one way, or another, it&#039;s just that I keep reading &quot;Luigi&#039;s family was wealthy&quot; but haven&#039;t seen specifics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone read anything specific about his family&#8217;s wealth? His immediate family, mom and dad? Or their occupations?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read details about his grandfather&#8217;s wealth. He did well. But I believe I read the grandfather and grandmother had 10 children and there are at least 30 grandchildren. Did all that wealth trickle down? Did the 10 siblings all go into their father&#8217;s business and do as well, or better?</p>
<p>Luigi&#8217;s High School tuition was in the elite tier, but I&#8217;ve heard of wealthy grandparents setting up funds earmarked for prep or boarding school for all their grandkids.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have an opinion on his parents&#8217; wealth, one way, or another, it&#8217;s just that I keep reading &#8220;Luigi&#8217;s family was wealthy&#8221; but haven&#8217;t seen specifics.</p>
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		By: Mike Plaiss		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Plaiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; I’m a big admirer of Dostoevsky’s work and think him to be a genius&lt;/i&gt;

Not sure if you’re familiar with Henri de Lubac but Dostoevsky features prominently in his work, especially in regard to nihilism and secular humanism. For what it’s worth I think Lubac is an unrecognized genius.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I’m a big admirer of Dostoevsky’s work and think him to be a genius</i></p>
<p>Not sure if you’re familiar with Henri de Lubac but Dostoevsky features prominently in his work, especially in regard to nihilism and secular humanism. For what it’s worth I think Lubac is an unrecognized genius.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Something to consider: &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/12/how_is_it_we_know_more_about_luigi_mangione_than_we_do_about_thomas_crooks.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt; How is it we know more about Luigi Mangione than we do about Thomas Crooks?
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&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s in striking contrast to the last high-profile killer who came to our attention last July, Thomas Crooks, another young man with a similar background …His age was similar, his engineering background was similar, his working in a nursing home was similar
But we hear nothing of the level of information Mangione got from this miserable freak -- little about his political motivations, which political party he identified with, what his political views were, who his friends were, nothing about his very strange family who threw away their silverware to prevent police from finding it in a home search after the killing and attempted assassination, nothing about the strange associated classmates who could have been involved in the attack.
We know nothing about the strange ad he made for Blackrock, or the 18 burner phones in his backpack. We don&#039;t know who he was talking to on the phone, seen in a video, before he launched into his assassination bid. If he had a manifesto, we haven&#039;t seen it. And his social media accounts were quickly scrubbed and shut down.
Now, some of this can be explained away by Mangione having an internet presence and being a non-misfit socially, which made more information available generally.
But that doesn&#039;t explain all of it. Where are the classmates who knew him? Why is his family so silent? Why has his social media presence been suppressed? And why is the Secret Service seemingly going out of its way to obstruct Congress? There have been quite a few shouting matches at this point.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something to consider: <a href="https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/12/how_is_it_we_know_more_about_luigi_mangione_than_we_do_about_thomas_crooks.html" rel="nofollow ugc"> How is it we know more about Luigi Mangione than we do about Thomas Crooks?<br />
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<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s in striking contrast to the last high-profile killer who came to our attention last July, Thomas Crooks, another young man with a similar background …His age was similar, his engineering background was similar, his working in a nursing home was similar<br />
But we hear nothing of the level of information Mangione got from this miserable freak &#8212; little about his political motivations, which political party he identified with, what his political views were, who his friends were, nothing about his very strange family who threw away their silverware to prevent police from finding it in a home search after the killing and attempted assassination, nothing about the strange associated classmates who could have been involved in the attack.<br />
We know nothing about the strange ad he made for Blackrock, or the 18 burner phones in his backpack. We don&#8217;t know who he was talking to on the phone, seen in a video, before he launched into his assassination bid. If he had a manifesto, we haven&#8217;t seen it. And his social media accounts were quickly scrubbed and shut down.<br />
Now, some of this can be explained away by Mangione having an internet presence and being a non-misfit socially, which made more information available generally.<br />
But that doesn&#8217;t explain all of it. Where are the classmates who knew him? Why is his family so silent? Why has his social media presence been suppressed? And why is the Secret Service seemingly going out of its way to obstruct Congress? There have been quite a few shouting matches at this point.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Guy&#039;s face has high-T features.  Ev Psych folks say that increases positive perception of the person.  And not solely among women.  Men--back in the day--needed another bad ass in the hunting band.  Or the rifle squad.  Wonder what would be said about him if there were not pictures.
I was in the insurance business for many years.  Only health insurance company issues I had were the result of inaccurate coding of billing from the physician&#039;s office.  Once that was straightened out, there was no hesitation in payment.
However, there may be exclusions as to cause of injury.  No idea if this is the case in Mangioni&#039;s situation, presuming he has a gripe in the first place.
All of which being said, the family&#039;s assets could have covered anything this guy had done to him or for him without blinking.  A problem with the insurance company would have been academic and handled by the family&#039;s attorney(s).

The commission of the crime was sloppy.  Showed his face before hand in the hostel and elsewhere.  As if there could be no connection. Speaking of which, what was the connection before...there was a connection?  Did they manage to track him, in his masked and hooded anonymity, back to the hostel?

He kept the gun?

If he hadn&#039;t had the gun when picked up, what would there have been on him?  Constant surveillance coverage, unbroken (honest, the NYC prosecutor promises) coverage back to the hostel or coffee shop, of a guy in the jacket and mask.  And then the face.
DNA is no good until you have him, so whatever he left around wouldn&#039;t help to find him.
Pitched the back pack.  So you arrest anybody you find who doesn&#039;t have a back pack?  No, probably not.  You have to connect it to him.  Which you can&#039;t do until you have him.
So the face in NYC and the face in Altoona and...the gun.  Without the gun, this might be a tough case to make.

Four fake ID?  What&#039;s the point?  If you have them, and it might be a good idea to have a handful, don&#039;t carry them, for heaven&#039;s sake.  Just the one you think you need.  Store the rest for future adventures.

Just how bad is his back?  In any of the surveillance, or in his behavior since arrest, is there any indication of restricted or painful movement?  Is the presumption this is an issue anywhere near relevant?

His shouting about various items once arrested leads me to think he hasn&#039;t watched Law And Order and so doesn&#039;t understand the Miranda thingy.  Might convict himself in a fit of public righteousness.

Ordinary lefties I&#039;ve talked to or heard can make the case for assassination, just as soon as finals are over or something, without any moral qualms showing.  But actually doing it....  Practical issues, but no problem if somebody else does it.  And among them is the tiny fraction who can manage their qualms, if any, and figure the practical side as well.  Maybe this guy, with the leisure and lack of immediate problems one enjoys with money, had time to drink the lefty stuff to a surfeit.

But how did he know the schedule?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy&#8217;s face has high-T features.  Ev Psych folks say that increases positive perception of the person.  And not solely among women.  Men&#8211;back in the day&#8211;needed another bad ass in the hunting band.  Or the rifle squad.  Wonder what would be said about him if there were not pictures.<br />
I was in the insurance business for many years.  Only health insurance company issues I had were the result of inaccurate coding of billing from the physician&#8217;s office.  Once that was straightened out, there was no hesitation in payment.<br />
However, there may be exclusions as to cause of injury.  No idea if this is the case in Mangioni&#8217;s situation, presuming he has a gripe in the first place.<br />
All of which being said, the family&#8217;s assets could have covered anything this guy had done to him or for him without blinking.  A problem with the insurance company would have been academic and handled by the family&#8217;s attorney(s).</p>
<p>The commission of the crime was sloppy.  Showed his face before hand in the hostel and elsewhere.  As if there could be no connection. Speaking of which, what was the connection before&#8230;there was a connection?  Did they manage to track him, in his masked and hooded anonymity, back to the hostel?</p>
<p>He kept the gun?</p>
<p>If he hadn&#8217;t had the gun when picked up, what would there have been on him?  Constant surveillance coverage, unbroken (honest, the NYC prosecutor promises) coverage back to the hostel or coffee shop, of a guy in the jacket and mask.  And then the face.<br />
DNA is no good until you have him, so whatever he left around wouldn&#8217;t help to find him.<br />
Pitched the back pack.  So you arrest anybody you find who doesn&#8217;t have a back pack?  No, probably not.  You have to connect it to him.  Which you can&#8217;t do until you have him.<br />
So the face in NYC and the face in Altoona and&#8230;the gun.  Without the gun, this might be a tough case to make.</p>
<p>Four fake ID?  What&#8217;s the point?  If you have them, and it might be a good idea to have a handful, don&#8217;t carry them, for heaven&#8217;s sake.  Just the one you think you need.  Store the rest for future adventures.</p>
<p>Just how bad is his back?  In any of the surveillance, or in his behavior since arrest, is there any indication of restricted or painful movement?  Is the presumption this is an issue anywhere near relevant?</p>
<p>His shouting about various items once arrested leads me to think he hasn&#8217;t watched Law And Order and so doesn&#8217;t understand the Miranda thingy.  Might convict himself in a fit of public righteousness.</p>
<p>Ordinary lefties I&#8217;ve talked to or heard can make the case for assassination, just as soon as finals are over or something, without any moral qualms showing.  But actually doing it&#8230;.  Practical issues, but no problem if somebody else does it.  And among them is the tiny fraction who can manage their qualms, if any, and figure the practical side as well.  Maybe this guy, with the leisure and lack of immediate problems one enjoys with money, had time to drink the lefty stuff to a surfeit.</p>
<p>But how did he know the schedule?</p>
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		By: Cappy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 13:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NBC News is gushing so hard over Mangione that Stephanie Gosk has turned straight!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NBC News is gushing so hard over Mangione that Stephanie Gosk has turned straight!</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 12:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;and had at least one psychiatrist willing to say he was a paranoid schizophrenic, but he refused.&lt;/i&gt;
==
I think Dr. Kaczynski&#039;s brother said the report from one examining psychiatrist was surprisingly insightful and really nailed his brother.  Note also that TK was a 55 year old childless bachelor when arrested and had a 27 year long history of peculiar behavior.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>and had at least one psychiatrist willing to say he was a paranoid schizophrenic, but he refused.</i><br />
==<br />
I think Dr. Kaczynski&#8217;s brother said the report from one examining psychiatrist was surprisingly insightful and really nailed his brother.  Note also that TK was a 55 year old childless bachelor when arrested and had a 27 year long history of peculiar behavior.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 12:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Let us remember Mangione as an extraordinarily gifted young man before insanity destroyed him.&lt;/i&gt;
==
Excuse me, but where is the evidence that he was &#039;insane&#039; in any sense of the word?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Let us remember Mangione as an extraordinarily gifted young man before insanity destroyed him.</i><br />
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Excuse me, but where is the evidence that he was &#8216;insane&#8217; in any sense of the word?</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 12:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;John Hinkley was almost exactly the same age when he shot Ronald Reagan.
Hinkley had been treated for depression but as far as I know was not treated for any kind of psychosis.&lt;/i&gt;
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What his family knew ex ante was that he was (for his cohort) and extreme failure-to-launch problem.  His schizophrenia was diagnosed later.  If I&#039;m not mistaken, he had medication-resistant schizophrenia that merited confinement (quite apart from what his criminal conduct merited).
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This fellow Mangione was born in 1998.  Over the last ten years, he&#039;s managed to complete three diplomas and pile up a significant work history.  He&#039;s not a failure-to-launch problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>John Hinkley was almost exactly the same age when he shot Ronald Reagan.<br />
Hinkley had been treated for depression but as far as I know was not treated for any kind of psychosis.</i><br />
==<br />
What his family knew ex ante was that he was (for his cohort) and extreme failure-to-launch problem.  His schizophrenia was diagnosed later.  If I&#8217;m not mistaken, he had medication-resistant schizophrenia that merited confinement (quite apart from what his criminal conduct merited).<br />
==<br />
This fellow Mangione was born in 1998.  Over the last ten years, he&#8217;s managed to complete three diplomas and pile up a significant work history.  He&#8217;s not a failure-to-launch problem.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 11:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Davemay:

I agree that people with no religion are probably more inclined towards nihilism and/or hedonism. But there are also religions (Islam, for example) that lend themselves to extremist violence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davemay:</p>
<p>I agree that people with no religion are probably more inclined towards nihilism and/or hedonism. But there are also religions (Islam, for example) that lend themselves to extremist violence.</p>
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