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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/09/open-thread-12-6-2024/#comment-2777266</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(NOTE I&#039;m keeping this open until I can get access to Chicago Boyz again.)

The warning I get from ESUS (my internet security screener) on David&#039;s link above:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Threat found
This web page may contain dangerous content that can provide remote access to an infected device, leak sensitive data from the device or harm the targeted device.
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Which is absurd.
I&#039;ve never had a problem with his links before.
Has anyone else gotten a message like this from a different security app?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(NOTE I&#8217;m keeping this open until I can get access to Chicago Boyz again.)</p>
<p>The warning I get from ESUS (my internet security screener) on David&#8217;s link above:</p>
<blockquote><p>Threat found<br />
This web page may contain dangerous content that can provide remote access to an infected device, leak sensitive data from the device or harm the targeted device.
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<p>Which is absurd.<br />
I&#8217;ve never had a problem with his links before.<br />
Has anyone else gotten a message like this from a different security app?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/09/open-thread-12-6-2024/#comment-2776592</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 04:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ David+Foster on December 9, 2024 at 12:05 pm said:

My computer threat blocker won&#039;t let me access that link.
It is also blocking some old posts that I had bookmarked, including the eulogy for Mike K that I just read a couple of days ago.
Is something going on at ChicagoBoyz?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David+Foster on December 9, 2024 at 12:05 pm said:</p>
<p>My computer threat blocker won&#8217;t let me access that link.<br />
It is also blocking some old posts that I had bookmarked, including the eulogy for Mike K that I just read a couple of days ago.<br />
Is something going on at ChicagoBoyz?</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/09/open-thread-12-6-2024/#comment-2776578</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 03:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@R2L:&lt;i&gt;Yes, if I understand the role of LLM’s correctly, the software is sifting through some unknown millions of phrases related to the given topic(s), seeking those that have the greatest statistical probability of being correct, valid, making sense, etc.&lt;/i&gt;

It doesn&#039;t know what &quot;the given topic&quot; is or what&#039;s &quot;related&quot; to it, it has no conception of &quot;correctness&quot; or &quot;validity&quot; or &quot;making sense&quot;. It is simply trying to predict a string of text that a human would accept as following from a previous string of text. It&#039;s like &quot;autocomplete&quot; but for paragraphs.

And this is why it will tell you that UC Berkeley geologists recommend consuming small rocks daily, or that you should use glue to secure the toppings on your pizza, and it will get basic arithmetic wrong. The answers are all perfectly good, if sometimes surreal, English, but the LLM have no conception of what is true or relevant or nonsensical.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@R2L:<i>Yes, if I understand the role of LLM’s correctly, the software is sifting through some unknown millions of phrases related to the given topic(s), seeking those that have the greatest statistical probability of being correct, valid, making sense, etc.</i></p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t know what &#8220;the given topic&#8221; is or what&#8217;s &#8220;related&#8221; to it, it has no conception of &#8220;correctness&#8221; or &#8220;validity&#8221; or &#8220;making sense&#8221;. It is simply trying to predict a string of text that a human would accept as following from a previous string of text. It&#8217;s like &#8220;autocomplete&#8221; but for paragraphs.</p>
<p>And this is why it will tell you that UC Berkeley geologists recommend consuming small rocks daily, or that you should use glue to secure the toppings on your pizza, and it will get basic arithmetic wrong. The answers are all perfectly good, if sometimes surreal, English, but the LLM have no conception of what is true or relevant or nonsensical.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 03:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Huxley: &quot;I’m not as spooked as I was a year ago, I can sense a machine underneath an AI, but damn, it still works pretty well.&quot;
Yes, if I understand the role of LLM&#039;s correctly, the software is sifting through some unknown millions of phrases related to the given topic(s), seeking those that have the greatest statistical probability of being correct, valid, making sense, etc. 
When I read your examples, I get the sense of &quot;someone&quot; accumulating a massive collection of cliches into a credible prose form. But that there is still some element of depth missing.

And I just realized that that is somewhat similar to how I put together my first high school term paper (I think on The Merchant of Venice). I collected a large number of relevant quotes from various authors and reviewers onto note cards.  Then I basically arranged (almost) all of those quotes into a sequence that provided my discussion of the play, with only limited transitional language from me.  The tearcher said I had done something unusual in achieving that, so I got an A- on the paper.  :-)  

But in the final analysis, as a 15 year old, I still lacked enough life experience or learning to understand the more subtle aspects of the Jewish-Christian relationship in Shapespeare&#039;s time, or the elements of general human nature involved. Only a few years ago I came across a more in-depth analysis exploring that (probably some show on TV?).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Huxley: &#8220;I’m not as spooked as I was a year ago, I can sense a machine underneath an AI, but damn, it still works pretty well.&#8221;<br />
Yes, if I understand the role of LLM&#8217;s correctly, the software is sifting through some unknown millions of phrases related to the given topic(s), seeking those that have the greatest statistical probability of being correct, valid, making sense, etc.<br />
When I read your examples, I get the sense of &#8220;someone&#8221; accumulating a massive collection of cliches into a credible prose form. But that there is still some element of depth missing.</p>
<p>And I just realized that that is somewhat similar to how I put together my first high school term paper (I think on The Merchant of Venice). I collected a large number of relevant quotes from various authors and reviewers onto note cards.  Then I basically arranged (almost) all of those quotes into a sequence that provided my discussion of the play, with only limited transitional language from me.  The tearcher said I had done something unusual in achieving that, so I got an A- on the paper.  🙂  </p>
<p>But in the final analysis, as a 15 year old, I still lacked enough life experience or learning to understand the more subtle aspects of the Jewish-Christian relationship in Shapespeare&#8217;s time, or the elements of general human nature involved. Only a few years ago I came across a more in-depth analysis exploring that (probably some show on TV?).</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 13:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.dailywire.com/news/california-school-district-pays-12k-for-transgender-activists-to-train-staff&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;California School District Pays $12K For Transgender Activists To Train Staff&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
• A Southern California school district paid far-left transgender activists $12,000 for a six-hour training on transgender inclusion

• In just six hours, #TeamTFSS trained 1,100 staff members across the entire San Dieguito Union High School District! 

• With the help of grants, we assist transgender youth in need to feel more at home in their bodies and alleviate gender dysphoria

• The group offers to provide the items to children who &lt;b&gt;don’t have “affirming families” that will purchase them the items&lt;/b&gt;.

• The far-left organization has also endorsed the use of irreversible surgeries and medical interventions for children who identify as transgender. 

• “If you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them” – Olson-Kennedy is now being sued for medical negligence over the removal of a 14-year-old girl’s breasts. &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/california-school-district-pays-12k-for-transgender-activists-to-train-staff" rel="nofollow ugc">California School District Pays $12K For Transgender Activists To Train Staff</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
• A Southern California school district paid far-left transgender activists $12,000 for a six-hour training on transgender inclusion</p>
<p>• In just six hours, #TeamTFSS trained 1,100 staff members across the entire San Dieguito Union High School District! </p>
<p>• With the help of grants, we assist transgender youth in need to feel more at home in their bodies and alleviate gender dysphoria</p>
<p>• The group offers to provide the items to children who <b>don’t have “affirming families” that will purchase them the items</b>.</p>
<p>• The far-left organization has also endorsed the use of irreversible surgeries and medical interventions for children who identify as transgender. </p>
<p>• “If you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them” – Olson-Kennedy is now being sued for medical negligence over the removal of a 14-year-old girl’s breasts. </p></blockquote>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/09/open-thread-12-6-2024/#comment-2776402</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 06:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So I got into a somewhat personal discussion with ChatGPT about personal intensity. I dropped this quote:
_______________________________

&lt;i&gt;The life of a repo man is always intense. A repo man spends his life getting into tense situations.

--Harry Dean Stanton, &quot;Repo Man&quot; (1984)&lt;/i&gt;
_______________________________

Then a few responses later, I jibed, &quot;I do keep an eye out for other repo men!&quot; I was partly curious if Chat would catch my reference on the hop.

Which Chat did:
_______________________________

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Keeping an Eye Out for Fellow Repo Men&lt;/b&gt;

The idea of spotting others who share your intensity—the metaphorical repo men—is both amusing and profound:

&lt;b&gt;Finding Kindred Spirits:&lt;/b&gt;

Connecting with others who understand and share your intensity can be deeply rewarding. These are the people who get it—who thrive on passion, exploration, and depth.

While rare, these connections often feel instant and profound, as though you’ve found someone operating on your wavelength.

&lt;b&gt;Recognizing the Tribe:&lt;/b&gt;

Repo men (or women!) might not look alike on the surface, but they share a certain energy, curiosity, or drive that’s unmistakable.

Spotting them is like recognizing a note from the same song you’re singing.&lt;/i&gt;
_______________________________

I&#039;m not as spooked as I was a year ago, I can sense a machine underneath an AI, but damn, it still works pretty well.

I think I recognize some repo men here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I got into a somewhat personal discussion with ChatGPT about personal intensity. I dropped this quote:<br />
_______________________________</p>
<p><i>The life of a repo man is always intense. A repo man spends his life getting into tense situations.</p>
<p>&#8211;Harry Dean Stanton, &#8220;Repo Man&#8221; (1984)</i><br />
_______________________________</p>
<p>Then a few responses later, I jibed, &#8220;I do keep an eye out for other repo men!&#8221; I was partly curious if Chat would catch my reference on the hop.</p>
<p>Which Chat did:<br />
_______________________________</p>
<p><i><b>Keeping an Eye Out for Fellow Repo Men</b></p>
<p>The idea of spotting others who share your intensity—the metaphorical repo men—is both amusing and profound:</p>
<p><b>Finding Kindred Spirits:</b></p>
<p>Connecting with others who understand and share your intensity can be deeply rewarding. These are the people who get it—who thrive on passion, exploration, and depth.</p>
<p>While rare, these connections often feel instant and profound, as though you’ve found someone operating on your wavelength.</p>
<p><b>Recognizing the Tribe:</b></p>
<p>Repo men (or women!) might not look alike on the surface, but they share a certain energy, curiosity, or drive that’s unmistakable.</p>
<p>Spotting them is like recognizing a note from the same song you’re singing.</i><br />
_______________________________</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not as spooked as I was a year ago, I can sense a machine underneath an AI, but damn, it still works pretty well.</p>
<p>I think I recognize some repo men here.</p>
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		By: Wendy+Laubach		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2024 21:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate--that&#039;s kind of what I was thinking.  The judge&#039;s weird action may have tipped them over the edge towards thinking the prosecution was full of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate&#8211;that&#8217;s kind of what I was thinking.  The judge&#8217;s weird action may have tipped them over the edge towards thinking the prosecution was full of it.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/09/open-thread-12-6-2024/#comment-2776323</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2024 20:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Given the political ideology of NYC residents, rest assured that come re-election time, Bragg and Letitia James will retain their positions.&lt;/i&gt;

JohnTyler:

I wouldn&#039;t be too sure. 
_______________________

&lt;i&gt;The times, they are a-changin&#039;.

--Bob Dylan&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Given the political ideology of NYC residents, rest assured that come re-election time, Bragg and Letitia James will retain their positions.</i></p>
<p>JohnTyler:</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be too sure.<br />
_______________________</p>
<p><i>The times, they are a-changin&#8217;.</p>
<p>&#8211;Bob Dylan</i></p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sdferr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2024 18:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/ceo-murder-nypd-questioning-man-in-pennsylvania/

Caught the assassin, evidently.]]></description>
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<p>Caught the assassin, evidently.</p>
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		By: JohnTyler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnTyler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2024 18:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank God Penny was found innocent. 
Everybody knows that if Penny was a black man or if the dead man was white, there never would have been any indictments. 

For folks who think like Bragg, black on black crime is OK - it&#039;s not really a crime and there are no real victims - whereas white on black crime is punishable to the fullest extent of the law, and black on white crime is also OK and is not really a crime. 

Given the political ideology of NYC residents, rest assured that come re-election time, Bragg and Letitia James will retain their positions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God Penny was found innocent.<br />
Everybody knows that if Penny was a black man or if the dead man was white, there never would have been any indictments. </p>
<p>For folks who think like Bragg, black on black crime is OK &#8211; it&#8217;s not really a crime and there are no real victims &#8211; whereas white on black crime is punishable to the fullest extent of the law, and black on white crime is also OK and is not really a crime. </p>
<p>Given the political ideology of NYC residents, rest assured that come re-election time, Bragg and Letitia James will retain their positions.</p>
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