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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/09/caroline-click-on-whats-going-on-in-syria/#comment-2776483</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 17:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Except the allawites were pre the french mandate but they were empowered by tbem&lt;/i&gt;
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From 1920 to 1970, how many Alawites held the position of President or Premier?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Except the allawites were pre the french mandate but they were empowered by tbem</i><br />
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From 1920 to 1970, how many Alawites held the position of President or Premier?</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 15:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Except the allawites were pre the french mandate but they were empowered by tbem like the brits did the sunnis in iraq over the shia and the kurds thats what that long thread was about 

But the former always think they are in the majority when they are not

In 1949 quwatly a sunni who was the first post mandate pm was replaced by a kurd husna zaim that was one of miles copelands first deals for the cia before nasser

Bedouin tribes transcend borders like the howeitat in the kingdom and jordan the tribes in the sinai and gaza et al]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except the allawites were pre the french mandate but they were empowered by tbem like the brits did the sunnis in iraq over the shia and the kurds thats what that long thread was about </p>
<p>But the former always think they are in the majority when they are not</p>
<p>In 1949 quwatly a sunni who was the first post mandate pm was replaced by a kurd husna zaim that was one of miles copelands first deals for the cia before nasser</p>
<p>Bedouin tribes transcend borders like the howeitat in the kingdom and jordan the tribes in the sinai and gaza et al</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 14:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Jordan is shaky and so is Egypt.&lt;/i&gt;
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&#039;Sez who?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Jordan is shaky and so is Egypt.</i><br />
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&#8216;Sez who?</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/09/caroline-click-on-whats-going-on-in-syria/#comment-2776448</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 13:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She&#039;s confused.  The Alawite regime in Syria was not manufactured by the French mandatory.  Alawites were present in the Army high command and in the senior ranks of the Ba&#039;ath Party.  Particular figures among them were talented at intramural intrigue and seized control of the party and government.  (The Ba&#039;ath had successfully established itself in the Army and had agents in both the Syrian and Iraqi military).  
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Public life in the Fertile Crescent was at its most congenial when you had competing patron-client formations whose bosses negotiated with each other.  In Iraq and in Jordan, you had premier boss supervising.  IIRC it was Cecil Hourani writing about 60 years ago that the appeal of military rule and party rule among the Arab world&#039;s intelligentsia was stoked by the notion that it would enhance national power.  They were hankering after a mobilization state to replace the crooked (but pluralistic) political world they did not respect.  
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Please note that it was sensible for the British and French to work to establish states to succeed the Ottoman Empire. There is no non-geographic political order.  The Empire had been decomposing for over a century and at its core Turkish particularism was pre-eminent after 1908. You had two major language groups, you had three notable subfractions among one of the two, you had six notable religious groups and then subgroups among them, you had lineages and local loyalties; you had irrigated agriculture, rain-watered agriculture, and pastoralism.  The thing to do was to attempt to optimize on boundaries so that they&#039;d each capture a set of grandees who could bargain with each other.  You can see in Iraq and in Lebanon how they made a hash of it.
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She&#039;s also confused about Jordan.  The descendants of the 1946 population are not typically pastoralists. In addition to the eastward migrations over the Jordan in 1948 and 1967, you also have a population which derives from the use of foreign labor in Jordan (of which the largest segment is Egyptian, I believe).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s confused.  The Alawite regime in Syria was not manufactured by the French mandatory.  Alawites were present in the Army high command and in the senior ranks of the Ba&#8217;ath Party.  Particular figures among them were talented at intramural intrigue and seized control of the party and government.  (The Ba&#8217;ath had successfully established itself in the Army and had agents in both the Syrian and Iraqi military).<br />
==<br />
Public life in the Fertile Crescent was at its most congenial when you had competing patron-client formations whose bosses negotiated with each other.  In Iraq and in Jordan, you had premier boss supervising.  IIRC it was Cecil Hourani writing about 60 years ago that the appeal of military rule and party rule among the Arab world&#8217;s intelligentsia was stoked by the notion that it would enhance national power.  They were hankering after a mobilization state to replace the crooked (but pluralistic) political world they did not respect.<br />
==<br />
Please note that it was sensible for the British and French to work to establish states to succeed the Ottoman Empire. There is no non-geographic political order.  The Empire had been decomposing for over a century and at its core Turkish particularism was pre-eminent after 1908. You had two major language groups, you had three notable subfractions among one of the two, you had six notable religious groups and then subgroups among them, you had lineages and local loyalties; you had irrigated agriculture, rain-watered agriculture, and pastoralism.  The thing to do was to attempt to optimize on boundaries so that they&#8217;d each capture a set of grandees who could bargain with each other.  You can see in Iraq and in Lebanon how they made a hash of it.<br />
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She&#8217;s also confused about Jordan.  The descendants of the 1946 population are not typically pastoralists. In addition to the eastward migrations over the Jordan in 1948 and 1967, you also have a population which derives from the use of foreign labor in Jordan (of which the largest segment is Egyptian, I believe).</p>
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		By: rbj1		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 01:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My offer to Hamas, turn over every hostage right away, and we’ll let you live.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My offer to Hamas, turn over every hostage right away, and we’ll let you live.</p>
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		By: SHIREHOME		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/09/caroline-click-on-whats-going-on-in-syria/#comment-2776366</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SHIREHOME]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 01:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Berry, looks like the US is joining in, attacking sites]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Berry, looks like the US is joining in, attacking sites</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 00:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I don’t see that he mentioned the election and pending second presidency of Donald Trump, but I think most people know that’s somewhere in the mix.&lt;/i&gt;

Netanyahu didn&#039;t mention the election or Trump because Biden is still President. It&#039;s not in Israel&#039;s interest  to tee Biden off before January 20.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t see that he mentioned the election and pending second presidency of Donald Trump, but I think most people know that’s somewhere in the mix.</i></p>
<p>Netanyahu didn&#8217;t mention the election or Trump because Biden is still President. It&#8217;s not in Israel&#8217;s interest  to tee Biden off before January 20.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/09/caroline-click-on-whats-going-on-in-syria/#comment-2776360</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 00:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the meantime….

“Israel Striking Bases &#038; Equipment Across Syria, Including Assad’s Chemical Weapons Sites”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-striking-bases-equipment-across-syria-including-assads-chemical-weapons-sites

Interesting grafs (RTWT):
&lt;blockquote&gt;
…”An Israeli source tells me: Israel&#039;s goal is to destroy everything from Assad&#039;s army that could fall into the hands of the rebels - from tanks to missiles. We are destroying the equipment of the Assad army.&quot;…

… Part of Israel&#039;s aim also seems to be preventing pro-Iranian entities from ever popping up again in Syria, and to finally and definitively dismantle Hezbollah and Shia militias&#039; arms networks….
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the meantime….</p>
<p>“Israel Striking Bases &amp; Equipment Across Syria, Including Assad’s Chemical Weapons Sites”<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-striking-bases-equipment-across-syria-including-assads-chemical-weapons-sites" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-striking-bases-equipment-across-syria-including-assads-chemical-weapons-sites</a></p>
<p>Interesting grafs (RTWT):</p>
<blockquote><p>
…”An Israeli source tells me: Israel&#8217;s goal is to destroy everything from Assad&#8217;s army that could fall into the hands of the rebels &#8211; from tanks to missiles. We are destroying the equipment of the Assad army.&#8221;…</p>
<p>… Part of Israel&#8217;s aim also seems to be preventing pro-Iranian entities from ever popping up again in Syria, and to finally and definitively dismantle Hezbollah and Shia militias&#8217; arms networks….
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 00:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Assad was a murderous tyrant. But he was better than what is coming, I am sure.&quot;  - Lee Also

I agree. A known quantity, however bad, that people were used to.  The new &quot;bosses&quot; will have other policies/agendas that will be perilous for many.  

Will new alignments and new countries be the result?  Or will Turkey take control and become the bug dog in the neighborhood? A lot&#039;s going on, and I have no crystal ball except that there will be suffering.

It&#039;s government breakdowns like this, that should remind us how lucky we have been to be born in the USA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Assad was a murderous tyrant. But he was better than what is coming, I am sure.&#8221;  &#8211; Lee Also</p>
<p>I agree. A known quantity, however bad, that people were used to.  The new &#8220;bosses&#8221; will have other policies/agendas that will be perilous for many.  </p>
<p>Will new alignments and new countries be the result?  Or will Turkey take control and become the bug dog in the neighborhood? A lot&#8217;s going on, and I have no crystal ball except that there will be suffering.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s government breakdowns like this, that should remind us how lucky we have been to be born in the USA.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/09/caroline-click-on-whats-going-on-in-syria/#comment-2776356</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 00:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erdogan used the grey wolves as pretext for the first purge his own associate the late gulen for the second purge]]></description>
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