–neo

There’s also an aspirational … ahem … quality to it.

In my humble Man-about-Albuquerque encounters I’ve run into guys, who were kinda losers in today’s status rankings, but they were glomming onto Trump hatred in attempts to ally themselves with the Cool Kids.

Bad timing, that.

Just so. A great comment in its entirety.

And there are so many good comments on this thread, it’s veritable banquet of thought. Thanks to Neo and all who have commented so far.

In Australia, the Australian people do not like to do classicism against blue-collar jobs, or against any jobs.

[I’m not saying that- in Austr. that snobbery + snobs vs. some jobs is not 100% gone from Australia, but I admire the idea + practice of no job snobbery.]

I think the idea for this Australian practice is something like: there’s just [us] on this island, so we all need to stick together, + [value ALL industries], no matter if these industries + jobs are called, “unpleasant”, or “low class” by- [some upper class snobs], + [some middle class snobs].

(In my words- in Australia- if you don’t like how your boss, or your customers treat you, you can’t just move 2 or 3 states away, like people can in The USA or other nations, + start again.
You and the people around you, have to get along, + value each other, where you are.)

I think the idea is: we have a limited number of people in our island/country, so we have to stick together, + work together, to keep us ALL going.

I really admire that way of doing things.

It’s interesting that long ago, there were cool shows like “Sex and the City” being made, and Trump had a cameo appearance or two in it as the glamorous and beloved playboy/entrepreneur. A self-proclaimed Democrat too.

I grew up in a rural farming community and my father ran a relatively successful small business serving that economic sector. My childhood friends were the children of truck drivers and farmers mostly. But because we had some money, there were a number of childhood trips to NYC and other parts of the US, to see art museums, Broadway shows, Lincoln center opera (the Met), and the ABT ballet.

I’ve been aware of the appearance of conflict between being a “discriminating” consumer or participant of the arts, media, and social relationships and interactions, and just being open to all the wonderful things that life has to offer, for most of my life. Don’t be closed minded, was my unspoken motto.

On the other hand, we all have exposure to things that just seem to be a bit too icky and stay away from. Is that snobbery? Maybe. It took me a long time to actually pay attention to country music. And I wouldn’t ever buy any disco music even though I liked some of the better stuff.

Now that I’ve been back on the dating scene for a while, one of the things that tickles me are the couple ladies I’ve met who drop F-bombs with aplomb. It makes me feel at home and amuses me for some reason.
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I’ve never had an interest in roller derby, but it’s a perfect example of déclassé. And it strongly reminds me of a local gal and entrepreneur named Jolene Green who opened a cool restaurant that hosts a lot of live music. The place embraces a surfer, skate, and skateboard déclassé and counterculture vibe.

AND Jolene herself is something of a roller derby queen. Jolene Geen could maybe pass for Jewish and her late husband was, but she is ethnically Italian.

Her place and some fun images (Jolene with the arm tatts):

https://www.lucyspg.com/
https://www.lucyspg.com/?lightbox=dataItem-l8otjclq
https://www.lucyspg.com/us

She has a poster wall inside, and the one that always makes me smile is this similar to this one:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/e3kAAOSwrMNevVoY/s-l640.jpg

now World War two was indesputedly the Good War, unlike say the Great War, that only produced Harry Truman,

What they weren’t was from Queens. They didn’t live in Queens, they didn’t sound like they were from Queens. They didn’t send their kids to New York Military Academy (unless they were needed discipline and had been kicked out of several other private schools). Maybe they went to Wharton, but usually for graduate school…or to Penn for law school. And, they may have had Central or Eastern European mistresses, but they didn’t marry them. Trump married Ivana, who was definitely ‘not one of us’.

THAT’s what was wrong with The Donald from day one. Worse, he was a successful developer. The right people were happy to take his money for charity galas, and even happier when he fixed the Wollman rink on time and under budget when the city couldn’t get in done for several years. But while he was invited to the galas, etc., he was never, ever, part of society. He was always too “bridge and tunnel” as the expression goes. To get a sense how he was regarded by the right people, look at the Nevada senator at the Corleone even at Lake Tahoe at the beginning of The Godfather Part II.

Having lived and practiced in major law firms in Manhattan during the ’80s, this was all common knowledge, thoroughly understood. It is probably the Democratic establishment’s self-protection that keeps it from being more explicitly detailed.

I would be willing to bet that if someone showed the above to Trump and asked is that more or less accurate, he’d say “Yes.”

In fact it was Jackie who gave the White House its cultured luster and status (though of course she had to denigrate Mamie Eisenhower en route…).

In any event , Jack knew a good thing when he saw one and went along for the ride…
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WRT snobbery, everyone—or most everyone—can/will feel snobbish about something or other. (OTOH, they don’t necessarily have to express it if they do).

The real problem, seems to me, is that snobbery has evolved—MORPHED—into hatred.
SHEER HATRED.
Moralistic outrage.
Ethical INTOLERANCE OF ANYTHING one doesn’t agree with.

It’s as though anyone who doesn’t agree with you is an AFFRONT. A personal THREAT.
Someone to be obliterated.
Or Canceled.

So much for “agreeing to disagree”.

Much more like throwing Voltaire out the window…

…the beginning of a list of such snobs whose never-Trumpism seems dominated by an aesthetic judgment. I don’t put Bill Kristol on the list because aesthetics seem very low on his priority list.

Just before Lincoln took office, Buchanan remarked that the office of President is not suited to a gentleman. Buchanan was predicting Trump: a man whose vulgarity matches the demands of the office. The Nordlinger branch of never-Trumpism fails to appreciate this.