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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2024 15:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe Omer Neutra qualified as a &quot;lone soldier&quot;. It is worth seeing what Israel thinks of their lone soldiers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Omer Neutra qualified as a &#8220;lone soldier&#8221;. It is worth seeing what Israel thinks of their lone soldiers.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/02/open-thread-12-2-2024/#comment-2775156</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 12:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump has been on a roll since election – new man (&lt;i&gt;so far&lt;/i&gt;) and theorize that it’s CoS Susie Wiles helping to settle him – &lt;a href=&quot;https://x.com/i/trending/1863924273531765202&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Trump Proposes Canada as 51st State Amid Tariff Talks&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Trump reportedly told Justin Trudeau that if his tariffs destroyed Canada, and the country could not survive without “ripping off the U.S. to the tune of $100 billion a year,” then Canada should become the United States’ 51st state, with Trudeau serving as its governor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump has been on a roll since election – new man (<i>so far</i>) and theorize that it’s CoS Susie Wiles helping to settle him – <a href="https://x.com/i/trending/1863924273531765202" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>Trump Proposes Canada as 51st State Amid Tariff Talks</b></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Trump reportedly told Justin Trudeau that if his tariffs destroyed Canada, and the country could not survive without “ripping off the U.S. to the tune of $100 billion a year,” then Canada should become the United States’ 51st state, with Trudeau serving as its governor.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/02/open-thread-12-2-2024/#comment-2775119</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 06:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley,

I&#039;m not sure if you are lumping me in with the critics and kibitzers, but if you are, I think my advice was misunderstood. Like you, I&#039;m mostly a self learner and that seems to fit my personality best. I think it&#039;s great you are taking on the guitar and I get joy from reading of the joy your pursuit is giving you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you are lumping me in with the critics and kibitzers, but if you are, I think my advice was misunderstood. Like you, I&#8217;m mostly a self learner and that seems to fit my personality best. I think it&#8217;s great you are taking on the guitar and I get joy from reading of the joy your pursuit is giving you.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/02/open-thread-12-2-2024/#comment-2775078</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 01:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Self-learning
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds;&lt;/b&gt;who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

--Theodore Roosevelt, “Citizenship in a Republic,” delivered at the Sorbonne in Paris on April 23, 1910
https://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org/Learn-About-TR/TR-Encyclopedia/Culture-and-Society/Man-in-the-Arena.aspx&lt;/i&gt;
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It may seem overblown, but this is how I see myself when I take on a learning mission. 

I am the Man in the Arena. 

I am serious. I am doing my best to reach a result. I will make mistakes and encounter dead-ends. I do a large survey of best practices and strive to adapt them for my needs. I also find the fun in the mission to keep my motivation up.

But I don&#039;t have much time for the critics and kibitzers, who don&#039;t know me or where I am or what I am up against.

PS. The full TR speech is something else. That Man in the Arena could write and take action.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Self-learning<br />
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<p><i><b>It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds;</b>who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.</p>
<p>&#8211;Theodore Roosevelt, “Citizenship in a Republic,” delivered at the Sorbonne in Paris on April 23, 1910<br />
<a href="https://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org/Learn-About-TR/TR-Encyclopedia/Culture-and-Society/Man-in-the-Arena.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org/Learn-About-TR/TR-Encyclopedia/Culture-and-Society/Man-in-the-Arena.aspx</a></i><br />
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<p>It may seem overblown, but this is how I see myself when I take on a learning mission. </p>
<p>I am the Man in the Arena. </p>
<p>I am serious. I am doing my best to reach a result. I will make mistakes and encounter dead-ends. I do a large survey of best practices and strive to adapt them for my needs. I also find the fun in the mission to keep my motivation up.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t have much time for the critics and kibitzers, who don&#8217;t know me or where I am or what I am up against.</p>
<p>PS. The full TR speech is something else. That Man in the Arena could write and take action.</p>
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		By: buddhaha		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 01:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Athletic effort in music is an interesting topic. Any of the wind instruments in a marching band, especially in things like half-time performance, can get pretty aerobic.  The two most &quot;athletic&quot; instruments are at the opposite end of tonal spectrum. The sousaphone (marching tuba) is obviously one, but the piccolo is, amazingly, the other. Excluding the exotic instruments, like bass sax, I can play almost all the woodwinds, except the piccolo - quite simply, not enough wind, and the oboe, which will refuse to produce any sound at all except in a very narrow range of embousure and breath support. I&#039;m in awe of piano players. I never was any good at rubbing my stomach while patting my head.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Athletic effort in music is an interesting topic. Any of the wind instruments in a marching band, especially in things like half-time performance, can get pretty aerobic.  The two most &#8220;athletic&#8221; instruments are at the opposite end of tonal spectrum. The sousaphone (marching tuba) is obviously one, but the piccolo is, amazingly, the other. Excluding the exotic instruments, like bass sax, I can play almost all the woodwinds, except the piccolo &#8211; quite simply, not enough wind, and the oboe, which will refuse to produce any sound at all except in a very narrow range of embousure and breath support. I&#8217;m in awe of piano players. I never was any good at rubbing my stomach while patting my head.</p>
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		By: crasey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/02/open-thread-12-2-2024/#comment-2775048</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 00:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clicked on this a while ago, got interrupted but came back and when I finished I noticed there were &quot;37&quot; comments. Just a coincidence I guess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clicked on this a while ago, got interrupted but came back and when I finished I noticed there were &#8220;37&#8221; comments. Just a coincidence I guess.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/02/open-thread-12-2-2024/#comment-2775042</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2024 23:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I can’t think of an instrument that doesn’t have an “athletic endeavor” component to it.&lt;/i&gt;

Rufus T. Firefly:

Sure, but some more than others. I&#039;ve also played piano, viola and recorder and I never noticed any &quot;athletic&quot; challenge. I might have if I had been playing four or more hours / day. With guitar I noticed problems within the first few days of mild practice.

With guitar my top priority is to get my hands working and to keep them working. I need to learn to play lightly with good technique and posture.

I&#039;m also looking ahead to music theory, memorizing the fretboard, and watching lots of guitar videos on different aspects, listening to what I hear etc.

I&#039;m a determined self-learner. I get to what I need when I need it. Pretty much everything I&#039;ve learned since 8th grade, I taught myself. I trust my instincts. I only took one intro computer class, which was pretty useless, and I finished my career as a Senior Software Engineer. 

You&#039;re a sterling fellow, but unless I ask, I&#039;m not interested in anyone&#039;s advice. If you want to tell me about what worked for you, I&#039;m all ears.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I can’t think of an instrument that doesn’t have an “athletic endeavor” component to it.</i></p>
<p>Rufus T. Firefly:</p>
<p>Sure, but some more than others. I&#8217;ve also played piano, viola and recorder and I never noticed any &#8220;athletic&#8221; challenge. I might have if I had been playing four or more hours / day. With guitar I noticed problems within the first few days of mild practice.</p>
<p>With guitar my top priority is to get my hands working and to keep them working. I need to learn to play lightly with good technique and posture.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also looking ahead to music theory, memorizing the fretboard, and watching lots of guitar videos on different aspects, listening to what I hear etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a determined self-learner. I get to what I need when I need it. Pretty much everything I&#8217;ve learned since 8th grade, I taught myself. I trust my instincts. I only took one intro computer class, which was pretty useless, and I finished my career as a Senior Software Engineer. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re a sterling fellow, but unless I ask, I&#8217;m not interested in anyone&#8217;s advice. If you want to tell me about what worked for you, I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/02/open-thread-12-2-2024/#comment-2775032</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2024 22:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://nypost.com/2024/12/02/world-news/new-yorker-idf-tank-commander-omer-neutra-kidnapped-by-hamas-on-oct-7-confirmed-dead/?utm_campaign=israelwarupdate&#038;utm_source=sailthru&#038;utm_medium=email&#038;utm_content=20241202&#038;lctg=6558c1593b1ef4b11908fdd3&#038;utm_term=NYP%20-%20Israel%20War%20Update&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Omer Neutra, New Yorker kidnapped by Hamas on Oct. 7, is confirmed dead&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Omer Neutra, 21, had long been assumed to be alive, but was actually killed during the terrorist attack, with his body taken to the Gaza Strip by Hamas, the Israel Defense Forces said.

Neutra, of Plainview, Long Island, had been serving as an IDF tank commander.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://nypost.com/2024/12/02/world-news/new-yorker-idf-tank-commander-omer-neutra-kidnapped-by-hamas-on-oct-7-confirmed-dead/?utm_campaign=israelwarupdate&amp;utm_source=sailthru&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=20241202&amp;lctg=6558c1593b1ef4b11908fdd3&amp;utm_term=NYP%20-%20Israel%20War%20Update" rel="nofollow ugc">Omer Neutra, New Yorker kidnapped by Hamas on Oct. 7, is confirmed dead</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Omer Neutra, 21, had long been assumed to be alive, but was actually killed during the terrorist attack, with his body taken to the Gaza Strip by Hamas, the Israel Defense Forces said.</p>
<p>Neutra, of Plainview, Long Island, had been serving as an IDF tank commander.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/02/open-thread-12-2-2024/#comment-2775029</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2024 22:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley,

I can&#039;t think of an instrument that doesn&#039;t have an &quot;athletic endeavor&quot; component to it.

Just as I encouraged you to devote as much time to speaking/listening to French as you were to reading (and yet you did not heed my advice :-) ); playing an instrument has a similar* component: theory and ear training.

Based on what I know of you from what you write here, I think you&#039;ll enjoy both, but be aware that both are different disciplines and being expert in one has almost no overlap in mastering the other. Along with your reading/research into guitar and music theory and scales practice I recommend setting aside time each day to thinking of a song in your head and trying to reproduce it by ear; with no help from tablature or youtube videos or anything else. Just you, the instrument, your recollection and ear. Try to solo pick out simple melodies; &quot;Frere Jacques,&quot; &quot;Oh, Susanna...&quot; Try to guess chords and chord progressions based on your echoic memory.

*I&#039;m convinced the speaking/hearing part of foreign language study uses the identical part of the brain as &quot;by ear&quot; music study; and the reading/grammar part of foreign language study uses the same part of the brain as music sight reading and music theory comprehension.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of an instrument that doesn&#8217;t have an &#8220;athletic endeavor&#8221; component to it.</p>
<p>Just as I encouraged you to devote as much time to speaking/listening to French as you were to reading (and yet you did not heed my advice 🙂 ); playing an instrument has a similar* component: theory and ear training.</p>
<p>Based on what I know of you from what you write here, I think you&#8217;ll enjoy both, but be aware that both are different disciplines and being expert in one has almost no overlap in mastering the other. Along with your reading/research into guitar and music theory and scales practice I recommend setting aside time each day to thinking of a song in your head and trying to reproduce it by ear; with no help from tablature or youtube videos or anything else. Just you, the instrument, your recollection and ear. Try to solo pick out simple melodies; &#8220;Frere Jacques,&#8221; &#8220;Oh, Susanna&#8230;&#8221; Try to guess chords and chord progressions based on your echoic memory.</p>
<p>*I&#8217;m convinced the speaking/hearing part of foreign language study uses the identical part of the brain as &#8220;by ear&#8221; music study; and the reading/grammar part of foreign language study uses the same part of the brain as music sight reading and music theory comprehension.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2024 21:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops: 
“…60+ days…” should be “…45+ days…”]]></description>
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“…60+ days…” should be “…45+ days…”</p>
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