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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 19:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Aesop Fan:&lt;i&gt;For one thing, don’t bring any indictments until Biden is gone.&lt;/i&gt;

As it&#039;s still Biden&#039;s DOJ I&#039;m sure that&#039;s already in the cards. But Hunter Biden&#039;s pardon already includes any Federal crime he has not been indicted for. Not seeing what prevents Biden from doing the same with anyone else involved in anything with Hunter.

Maybe a court would later decide that such pardons aren&#039;t valid, but nothing stops Biden from issuing them, and I&#039;m not sure what it would take for a court to decide it needed to try to set limits on the power of the Presidential pardon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aesop Fan:<i>For one thing, don’t bring any indictments until Biden is gone.</i></p>
<p>As it&#8217;s still Biden&#8217;s DOJ I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s already in the cards. But Hunter Biden&#8217;s pardon already includes any Federal crime he has not been indicted for. Not seeing what prevents Biden from doing the same with anyone else involved in anything with Hunter.</p>
<p>Maybe a court would later decide that such pardons aren&#8217;t valid, but nothing stops Biden from issuing them, and I&#8217;m not sure what it would take for a court to decide it needed to try to set limits on the power of the Presidential pardon.</p>
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		By: steve+walsh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/02/of-course-joe-pardons-hunter/#comment-2775162</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve+walsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 13:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It really is not that complicated: Biden&#039;s previously professed commitment to the Rule of Law and the court&#039;s findings regarding Hunter was purely political theater to defend the lawfare against Trump. That lawfare did not work - it didn&#039;t debilitate Trump financially, may have propped him up with the voters, and had no negative impact on his reelection campaign. Having failed Biden was now free to pardon his son, and protect himself from future prosecution. All the media talking heads were in on the scheme. They are unlikely to pay any price for that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is not that complicated: Biden&#8217;s previously professed commitment to the Rule of Law and the court&#8217;s findings regarding Hunter was purely political theater to defend the lawfare against Trump. That lawfare did not work &#8211; it didn&#8217;t debilitate Trump financially, may have propped him up with the voters, and had no negative impact on his reelection campaign. Having failed Biden was now free to pardon his son, and protect himself from future prosecution. All the media talking heads were in on the scheme. They are unlikely to pay any price for that.</p>
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		By: LeClerc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 12:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grifter pardons Bagman.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grifter pardons Bagman.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 11:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Comedy gold in a WSJ headline:

“Biden Pardon Threatens His Legacy”

I literally LOL’d]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comedy gold in a WSJ headline:</p>
<p>“Biden Pardon Threatens His Legacy”</p>
<p>I literally LOL’d</p>
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		By: Skip		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 05:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I knew he was going to do it, everyone knew he was going to do it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew he was going to do it, everyone knew he was going to do it.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 05:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Refreshing a link by Barry on the open thread, Zerohedge&#039;s authors (for once, not copied from some other pundit&#039;s blog) is about the most complete commentary I&#039;ve seen so far. This excerpt follows a long recitation of the background and responses.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flashback-false-democrat-narrative-respect-rule-law-exposed
&lt;blockquote&gt;Extreme Virtue (signaling)
&lt;b&gt;During the 2024 election the Democrats ran their campaign on two narrative pillars&#062;/b&#062; - 
First, the idea that progressives are the guardians of &quot;democracy&quot; in the face of some conservative conspiracy to undermine the will of the people.  Second, that they are the party with respect for the rule of law while conservatives are lawless barbarians.  &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;Both narratives were utter nonsense and the opposite is generally true,&lt;/b&gt; but this kind of rhetorical spin is not really meant to convince the people that oppose Democrats. Rather, it&#039;s meant to convince their devout electoral base and keep those lemmings in line with the message.

The claim that Democrats are the anointed purveyors of democracy has been thoroughly debunked after Donald Trump won the presidency with the electoral college and the popular vote.  In light of this fact, leftist commentators and the media have decided that the loss was not due to their own failings, but the fault of &quot;stupid voters&quot; that just don&#039;t understand how important the progressive ideology is. Truly, these are the kinds of people that respect the democratic process...

The second claim, that Democrats are models of civic duty with a deep regard for the rule of law, was largely based on a Trump vs Biden legal woes comparison.  The political left argued that Joe&#039;s handling of his son Hunter Biden&#039;s federal charges and degenerate lifestyle was fair and just because he had not abused his position as president to get his family out of trouble.  This was specifically mentioned in reference to Trump&#039;s intention to pardon J6 prisoners.  

&lt;b&gt;Biden, they said, would never exploit the presidency to protect convicted criminals for personal gain, even if one of those criminals was his own son.  He&#039;s just too honorable.&lt;/b&gt;

...
Leap ahead a few months and suddenly all those same Dems are silent, or, they are defending the blanket pardon Biden just pushed forward for Hunter.  As a reminder, let&#039;s take a look back at the self righteous Democrat finger wagging and self delusion that led up to this embarrassing moment:
...
Set aside the fact that the Biden Administration actively weaponized the legal apparatus to take down a political opponent using fabricated charges - &lt;b&gt;The reality that Joe Biden gave his son a pardon that reaches all the way back to 2014 indicates a personal knowledge of Hunter&#039;s criminal dealings over the course of a decade. &lt;/b&gt; Likely, this knowledge comes from Joe Biden&#039;s involvement in those same dealings.  At the very least he used his position within government to trade for benefits and used his son as a proxy.  

&lt;b&gt;If the media admits this, the last 6 years of ignoring the laptop, Russian collusion, and &quot;10% for the big guy&quot; that they ignored, or in Philip Bump&#039;s case pretended to not understand, all comes crashing down.&lt;/b&gt;
— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) December 2, 2024

It&#039;s very hard now for Democrats to pretend like they&#039;re the party of legal integrity.  When it comes down to progressive leaders or their family actually facing consequences for their actions, the law goes straight out the window.     

And of course, Jim Biden&#039;s pardon is coming next:
...
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refreshing a link by Barry on the open thread, Zerohedge&#8217;s authors (for once, not copied from some other pundit&#8217;s blog) is about the most complete commentary I&#8217;ve seen so far. This excerpt follows a long recitation of the background and responses.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flashback-false-democrat-narrative-respect-rule-law-exposed" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flashback-false-democrat-narrative-respect-rule-law-exposed</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Extreme Virtue (signaling)<br />
<b>During the 2024 election the Democrats ran their campaign on two narrative pillars&gt;/b&gt; &#8211;<br />
First, the idea that progressives are the guardians of &#8220;democracy&#8221; in the face of some conservative conspiracy to undermine the will of the people.  Second, that they are the party with respect for the rule of law while conservatives are lawless barbarians.  </b><b>Both narratives were utter nonsense and the opposite is generally true,</b> but this kind of rhetorical spin is not really meant to convince the people that oppose Democrats. Rather, it&#8217;s meant to convince their devout electoral base and keep those lemmings in line with the message.</p>
<p>The claim that Democrats are the anointed purveyors of democracy has been thoroughly debunked after Donald Trump won the presidency with the electoral college and the popular vote.  In light of this fact, leftist commentators and the media have decided that the loss was not due to their own failings, but the fault of &#8220;stupid voters&#8221; that just don&#8217;t understand how important the progressive ideology is. Truly, these are the kinds of people that respect the democratic process&#8230;</p>
<p>The second claim, that Democrats are models of civic duty with a deep regard for the rule of law, was largely based on a Trump vs Biden legal woes comparison.  The political left argued that Joe&#8217;s handling of his son Hunter Biden&#8217;s federal charges and degenerate lifestyle was fair and just because he had not abused his position as president to get his family out of trouble.  This was specifically mentioned in reference to Trump&#8217;s intention to pardon J6 prisoners.  </p>
<p><b>Biden, they said, would never exploit the presidency to protect convicted criminals for personal gain, even if one of those criminals was his own son.  He&#8217;s just too honorable.</b></p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
Leap ahead a few months and suddenly all those same Dems are silent, or, they are defending the blanket pardon Biden just pushed forward for Hunter.  As a reminder, let&#8217;s take a look back at the self righteous Democrat finger wagging and self delusion that led up to this embarrassing moment:<br />
&#8230;<br />
Set aside the fact that the Biden Administration actively weaponized the legal apparatus to take down a political opponent using fabricated charges &#8211; <b>The reality that Joe Biden gave his son a pardon that reaches all the way back to 2014 indicates a personal knowledge of Hunter&#8217;s criminal dealings over the course of a decade. </b> Likely, this knowledge comes from Joe Biden&#8217;s involvement in those same dealings.  At the very least he used his position within government to trade for benefits and used his son as a proxy.  </p>
<p><b>If the media admits this, the last 6 years of ignoring the laptop, Russian collusion, and &#8220;10% for the big guy&#8221; that they ignored, or in Philip Bump&#8217;s case pretended to not understand, all comes crashing down.</b><br />
— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) December 2, 2024</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very hard now for Democrats to pretend like they&#8217;re the party of legal integrity.  When it comes down to progressive leaders or their family actually facing consequences for their actions, the law goes straight out the window.     </p>
<p>And of course, Jim Biden&#8217;s pardon is coming next:<br />
&#8230;</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/02/of-course-joe-pardons-hunter/#comment-2775114</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 05:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Orwell, she wrote…..

“Censorship empire strikes back with UN disinformation declaration…”—
https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/censorship-empire-strikes-back-un-disinformation-declaration-german-charges

Actually, they’re just revving up…
Key nauseating grafs:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
….“United in Peace: Restoring Trust, Reshaping the Future – Reflecting on Two Decades of Dialogue for Humanity&quot; was the theme for the 10th Global Forum of the United Nations Alliance of Civilizations, a three-day gathering of heads of state, youth, civil society and religious leaders in Cascais, Portugal, last week.

Government leaders unanimously adopted the Cascais Declaration, which binds them to &quot;stress the importance of combatting disinformation, misinformation and hate speech, while strengthening information integrity,&quot; without defining any of those terms or laying out methods.…
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orwell, she wrote…..</p>
<p>“Censorship empire strikes back with UN disinformation declaration…”—<br />
<a href="https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/censorship-empire-strikes-back-un-disinformation-declaration-german-charges" rel="nofollow ugc">https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/censorship-empire-strikes-back-un-disinformation-declaration-german-charges</a></p>
<p>Actually, they’re just revving up…<br />
Key nauseating grafs:</p>
<blockquote><p>
….“United in Peace: Restoring Trust, Reshaping the Future – Reflecting on Two Decades of Dialogue for Humanity&#8221; was the theme for the 10th Global Forum of the United Nations Alliance of Civilizations, a three-day gathering of heads of state, youth, civil society and religious leaders in Cascais, Portugal, last week.</p>
<p>Government leaders unanimously adopted the Cascais Declaration, which binds them to &#8220;stress the importance of combatting disinformation, misinformation and hate speech, while strengthening information integrity,&#8221; without defining any of those terms or laying out methods.…
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/02/of-course-joe-pardons-hunter/#comment-2775111</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 05:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Niketas &#062; &quot;And what stops Biden from pardoning those people in the same way he did Hunter Biden?&quot;

For one thing, don&#039;t bring any indictments until Biden is gone.

However, referencing back to the speculations in the Open Thread (10 million pardons needed, minimum), since Hunter&#039;s pardon takes into account any not-yet-indicted acts, I suppose Joe could give a similar blanket pardon to anyone he chooses.
Is there any legal obstacle at all to that sort of thing??

That such an action stretches the meaning of pardons and clemency out of all normal bounds is no handicap to Biden (his legacy is already either demolished or untarnished, depending on the viewer), nor to the Democrats, who would only make an issue of it if attempted by Trump or another Republican, and instantly forget they ever made any objections if engaged in by their own people.

Very convenient to have such malleable principles, but I cannot at this moment think of any alleged principle that the Democrats (as an institution) have not reversed themselves on, sometimes more than once.

The Democrats who DID believe in abiding by the principles they espoused seem to be leaving the Party -- not enough and not fast enough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Niketas &gt; &#8220;And what stops Biden from pardoning those people in the same way he did Hunter Biden?&#8221;</p>
<p>For one thing, don&#8217;t bring any indictments until Biden is gone.</p>
<p>However, referencing back to the speculations in the Open Thread (10 million pardons needed, minimum), since Hunter&#8217;s pardon takes into account any not-yet-indicted acts, I suppose Joe could give a similar blanket pardon to anyone he chooses.<br />
Is there any legal obstacle at all to that sort of thing??</p>
<p>That such an action stretches the meaning of pardons and clemency out of all normal bounds is no handicap to Biden (his legacy is already either demolished or untarnished, depending on the viewer), nor to the Democrats, who would only make an issue of it if attempted by Trump or another Republican, and instantly forget they ever made any objections if engaged in by their own people.</p>
<p>Very convenient to have such malleable principles, but I cannot at this moment think of any alleged principle that the Democrats (as an institution) have not reversed themselves on, sometimes more than once.</p>
<p>The Democrats who DID believe in abiding by the principles they espoused seem to be leaving the Party &#8212; not enough and not fast enough.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/12/02/of-course-joe-pardons-hunter/#comment-2775109</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 05:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some thoughts on why it is necessary for the Democrats to suffer consequences for their actions, in order to maintain any kind of governmental integrity. 
And a wee bit of schadenfreude.

https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/the-blob-has-a-migraine

&quot; It’s not a mere “swamp,” it’s a whole forbidden planet of turpitude.&quot;

&quot;It is unfortunate that the way forward (to a national government different in scale, scope, and disposition toward its citizens) will require so much consorting with what is past. But it must be if consequence is to be restored as a basic element in our constitutional arrangements. You can’t just have people doing stuff outside the law because they feel like it.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts on why it is necessary for the Democrats to suffer consequences for their actions, in order to maintain any kind of governmental integrity.<br />
And a wee bit of schadenfreude.</p>
<p><a href="https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/the-blob-has-a-migraine" rel="nofollow ugc">https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/the-blob-has-a-migraine</a></p>
<p>&#8221; It’s not a mere “swamp,” it’s a whole forbidden planet of turpitude.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It is unfortunate that the way forward (to a national government different in scale, scope, and disposition toward its citizens) will require so much consorting with what is past. But it must be if consequence is to be restored as a basic element in our constitutional arrangements. You can’t just have people doing stuff outside the law because they feel like it.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 04:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PS None of the Democrats are in the least embarrassed to be outed (again) as liars and charlatans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS None of the Democrats are in the least embarrassed to be outed (again) as liars and charlatans.</p>
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