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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Dec 2024 03:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The climate crisis is OVER, but it will take a while for all the Zombies to finally fall apart.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/11/02/for-the-second-time-in-a-week-climate-scientists-surprised-with-an-increased-co2-absorption-mechanism/
&lt;blockquote&gt;From the “But the science was settled!” department.

You may remember just four days ago, WUWT ran this story: Oops, Science Was “Settled”—Until It Wasn’t: Plants Absorb 31% More CO? Than We Thought

Now, hot on the heels of that one, another underestimated CO? absorption has been found: New Study Reveals Oceans Absorb More CO2 Than Previously Thought. 
...
Now, cumulatively, within a week, we now have a 38% difference in CO? absorption not previously known to climate science. That’s big.

The two recent studies on oceanic and terrestrial CO? absorption reveal significant, previously underestimated roles of natural carbon sinks, which have strong implications for climate models and predictions. Here’s an quick analysis of these findings and their combined impact on climate sensitivity and modeling.
...
We’ve known for some time that climate models have been running “hot” due to some of the emission scenarios like RCP 8.5 being unrealistic in CO? growth rates in the future. See: New Confirmation that Climate Models Overstate Atmospheric Warming. Perhaps these new findings will cool some of those models (assuming climate science has any integrity left) and we’ll hear less about a projected climate doomsday being just around the corner.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The climate crisis is OVER, but it will take a while for all the Zombies to finally fall apart.</p>
<p><a href="https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/11/02/for-the-second-time-in-a-week-climate-scientists-surprised-with-an-increased-co2-absorption-mechanism/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/11/02/for-the-second-time-in-a-week-climate-scientists-surprised-with-an-increased-co2-absorption-mechanism/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>From the “But the science was settled!” department.</p>
<p>You may remember just four days ago, WUWT ran this story: Oops, Science Was “Settled”—Until It Wasn’t: Plants Absorb 31% More CO? Than We Thought</p>
<p>Now, hot on the heels of that one, another underestimated CO? absorption has been found: New Study Reveals Oceans Absorb More CO2 Than Previously Thought.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Now, cumulatively, within a week, we now have a 38% difference in CO? absorption not previously known to climate science. That’s big.</p>
<p>The two recent studies on oceanic and terrestrial CO? absorption reveal significant, previously underestimated roles of natural carbon sinks, which have strong implications for climate models and predictions. Here’s an quick analysis of these findings and their combined impact on climate sensitivity and modeling.<br />
&#8230;<br />
We’ve known for some time that climate models have been running “hot” due to some of the emission scenarios like RCP 8.5 being unrealistic in CO? growth rates in the future. See: New Confirmation that Climate Models Overstate Atmospheric Warming. Perhaps these new findings will cool some of those models (assuming climate science has any integrity left) and we’ll hear less about a projected climate doomsday being just around the corner.
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Dec 2024 02:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phillip Sells ( et al.), it turns out today I finally caught up on some older emails, reading the monthly summary from &quot;Wryheat&quot; aka:
SCIENCE, CLIMATE, ENERGY AND POLITICAL NEWS ROUNDUP 2024 NOVEMBER
A monthly review of climate, energy, environmental, and political policy issues
Articles compiled by Jonathan DuHamel jedtaz@gmail.com
At:  https://wryheat.wordpress.com

One item he mentions discusses a study where a 31% greater absortion of CO2 by the biosphere was found compared to prior understanding. This means most of the modeling and projections of climate doom and over heating, etc., are now flawed/ suspect, further reducing the level of climate catastrophe and need for urgent &quot;corrective actions&quot; or Zero Day targets, etc. I did not know about this before today, but it looks like the report has been out for at least a few months now:  
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/10/29/oops-science-was-settled-until-it-wasnt-plants-absorb-31-more-co?-than-we-thought/ 

Thus Britain and the rest of us should take a welcome step back in terms of bad policies and worse investments. I think the consensus was already turning away from catestrophic views before I saw this [with many vested interests still pushing falsehoods], but it certainly compounds the evidence in favor of a more scientific and responsible look at the real degree and causes of &quot;global warming&quot;, if any.  And that voiding our technological civilization by reducing use of fossil fuels is no longer urgent.  Good thing that Trump seems to also already have some alignment towards this viewpoint.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip Sells ( et al.), it turns out today I finally caught up on some older emails, reading the monthly summary from &#8220;Wryheat&#8221; aka:<br />
SCIENCE, CLIMATE, ENERGY AND POLITICAL NEWS ROUNDUP 2024 NOVEMBER<br />
A monthly review of climate, energy, environmental, and political policy issues<br />
Articles compiled by Jonathan DuHamel <a href="mailto:jedtaz@gmail.com">jedtaz@gmail.com</a><br />
At:  <a href="https://wryheat.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow ugc">https://wryheat.wordpress.com</a></p>
<p>One item he mentions discusses a study where a 31% greater absortion of CO2 by the biosphere was found compared to prior understanding. This means most of the modeling and projections of climate doom and over heating, etc., are now flawed/ suspect, further reducing the level of climate catastrophe and need for urgent &#8220;corrective actions&#8221; or Zero Day targets, etc. I did not know about this before today, but it looks like the report has been out for at least a few months now:<br />
<a href="https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/10/29/oops-science-was-settled-until-it-wasnt-plants-absorb-31-more-co?-than-we-thought/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/10/29/oops-science-was-settled-until-it-wasnt-plants-absorb-31-more-co?-than-we-thought/</a> </p>
<p>Thus Britain and the rest of us should take a welcome step back in terms of bad policies and worse investments. I think the consensus was already turning away from catestrophic views before I saw this [with many vested interests still pushing falsehoods], but it certainly compounds the evidence in favor of a more scientific and responsible look at the real degree and causes of &#8220;global warming&#8221;, if any.  And that voiding our technological civilization by reducing use of fossil fuels is no longer urgent.  Good thing that Trump seems to also already have some alignment towards this viewpoint.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/29/open-thread-11-29-2024/#comment-2774549</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Philip Sells, if this insane program is fully implemented Britain will be populated by a declining number of cold undernourished people. Conquering it would be easy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip Sells, if this insane program is fully implemented Britain will be populated by a declining number of cold undernourished people. Conquering it would be easy.</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/29/open-thread-11-29-2024/#comment-2774525</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2024 05:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello.
Poking around on ZeroHedge, which is admittedly not a routine thing for me to be doing, I landed on an article about the UK government&#039;s climate-change remediation goals. This in turn pointed me to a report produced by some British public-sector research organisation (UK FIRES) back in 2021 that outlined what it would take for Britain to meet its announced goals at that time, along the lines of committing to a 45% reduction in greenhouse-gas emissions by 2030 and absolute zero carbon emissions by 2050. (There are really two separate documents &lt;a href=&quot;https://ukfires.org/impact/publications/reports/minus-45/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Minus 45&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;https://ukfires.org/impact/publications/reports/absolute-zero/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Absolute Zero&lt;/a&gt; from 2021 and 2023-4, respectively.)

It would mean an absolute revolution across all sectors, but I found some of the conclusions rather jolting. Such things as these to be implemented by 2050, for example (only one generation away):

2030-2049:
* All remaining airports close
* All shipping declines to zero
* Beef and lamb phased out, along with all imports not transported by train; fertiliser use greatly reduced

There are many others, not necessarily as shocking as these - the description of the proposed role of scrap metal recycling, for example, is relatively reasonable.

But it sounds to me like a recipe to essentially take Britain back to the eighteenth century, maybe with somewhat better health care and faster trains (I know they didn&#039;t have trains back then, but you get the point); but Britain really would be writing itself out of the game if all of this were in fact to happen, it seems to me.

(One amusing detail under the report&#039;s post-2050 vision for the shipping sector: &quot;Some naval ships operate with onboard nuclear power and new storage options may allow electric power&quot;. So if there is still such a thing as the Royal Navy by then, I guess it&#039;ll be running under canvas once more? Good luck with that when the Chinese come to take your little island away from you.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.<br />
Poking around on ZeroHedge, which is admittedly not a routine thing for me to be doing, I landed on an article about the UK government&#8217;s climate-change remediation goals. This in turn pointed me to a report produced by some British public-sector research organisation (UK FIRES) back in 2021 that outlined what it would take for Britain to meet its announced goals at that time, along the lines of committing to a 45% reduction in greenhouse-gas emissions by 2030 and absolute zero carbon emissions by 2050. (There are really two separate documents <a href="https://ukfires.org/impact/publications/reports/minus-45/" rel="nofollow ugc">Minus 45</a> and <a href="https://ukfires.org/impact/publications/reports/absolute-zero/" rel="nofollow ugc">Absolute Zero</a> from 2021 and 2023-4, respectively.)</p>
<p>It would mean an absolute revolution across all sectors, but I found some of the conclusions rather jolting. Such things as these to be implemented by 2050, for example (only one generation away):</p>
<p>2030-2049:<br />
* All remaining airports close<br />
* All shipping declines to zero<br />
* Beef and lamb phased out, along with all imports not transported by train; fertiliser use greatly reduced</p>
<p>There are many others, not necessarily as shocking as these &#8211; the description of the proposed role of scrap metal recycling, for example, is relatively reasonable.</p>
<p>But it sounds to me like a recipe to essentially take Britain back to the eighteenth century, maybe with somewhat better health care and faster trains (I know they didn&#8217;t have trains back then, but you get the point); but Britain really would be writing itself out of the game if all of this were in fact to happen, it seems to me.</p>
<p>(One amusing detail under the report&#8217;s post-2050 vision for the shipping sector: &#8220;Some naval ships operate with onboard nuclear power and new storage options may allow electric power&#8221;. So if there is still such a thing as the Royal Navy by then, I guess it&#8217;ll be running under canvas once more? Good luck with that when the Chinese come to take your little island away from you.)</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/29/open-thread-11-29-2024/#comment-2774521</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2024 05:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Medicine and therapy can provide help, but the patient often has to want to do the work.&lt;/i&gt;

J.J.: 

This is what makes me so crazy about all the Victim Mentality going around. Whatever one&#039;s circumstances, one must persevere, not seek excuses.

I&#039;m so grateful for all my teachers, direct and indirect, who taught me thus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Medicine and therapy can provide help, but the patient often has to want to do the work.</i></p>
<p>J.J.: </p>
<p>This is what makes me so crazy about all the Victim Mentality going around. Whatever one&#8217;s circumstances, one must persevere, not seek excuses.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so grateful for all my teachers, direct and indirect, who taught me thus.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/29/open-thread-11-29-2024/#comment-2774518</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2024 04:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing your story, huxley.  Solving one&#039;s problems is difficult. Medicine and therapy can provide help, but the patient often has to want to do the work. Glad you persisted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your story, huxley.  Solving one&#8217;s problems is difficult. Medicine and therapy can provide help, but the patient often has to want to do the work. Glad you persisted.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2024 02:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the 90s my more or less constant depression escalated to suicidal ideation -- I was imagining the act -- so I saw a therapist and her strategy was to get me to a psychiatrist and on antidepressants.

But I just wouldn&#039;t do it.

I kept thinking of my mother and my friends on antidepressants who were constantly tweaking their meds to fix depression and never getting better. One of them ended up in a parked car on the beach at dawn slitting his throat with a samurai sword.

Sorry to be so graphic.

I found my way out with a combination of physical exercise, cognitive behavioral therapy, Tony Robbins, Joan of Arc and Jesus Christ.

I don&#039;t claim my solution would work for everyone. Later on I found my way out of obesity with Tim Ferriss&#039;s &quot;Slow Carb Diet.&quot;

Western medicine is great when it&#039;s great, but I&#039;m less sure when it comes to chronic or mental conditions. It&#039;s worth looking for alternatives. If one can avoid the drug carousel, it&#039;s better. 
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&lt;i&gt;Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: &lt;b&gt;for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. &lt;/b&gt;

--Matthew 7:7-8&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 90s my more or less constant depression escalated to suicidal ideation &#8212; I was imagining the act &#8212; so I saw a therapist and her strategy was to get me to a psychiatrist and on antidepressants.</p>
<p>But I just wouldn&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p>I kept thinking of my mother and my friends on antidepressants who were constantly tweaking their meds to fix depression and never getting better. One of them ended up in a parked car on the beach at dawn slitting his throat with a samurai sword.</p>
<p>Sorry to be so graphic.</p>
<p>I found my way out with a combination of physical exercise, cognitive behavioral therapy, Tony Robbins, Joan of Arc and Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t claim my solution would work for everyone. Later on I found my way out of obesity with Tim Ferriss&#8217;s &#8220;Slow Carb Diet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Western medicine is great when it&#8217;s great, but I&#8217;m less sure when it comes to chronic or mental conditions. It&#8217;s worth looking for alternatives. If one can avoid the drug carousel, it&#8217;s better.<br />
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<p><i>Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: <b>for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. </b></p>
<p>&#8211;Matthew 7:7-8</i></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2024 02:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Side-effects

Ah me. 

I knew my mother was in trouble when I discovered that she was taking drugs to counteract the side-effects of the drugs that she was taking to counteract the side-effects of the drugs that she was taking to counteract the side-effects of the drugs she had started taking to make her less crazy in the first place.

She still ended up slitting her wrists.

Goddamn doctors and psychiatrists.

Later on they admitted, &quot;Woops!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Side-effects</p>
<p>Ah me. </p>
<p>I knew my mother was in trouble when I discovered that she was taking drugs to counteract the side-effects of the drugs that she was taking to counteract the side-effects of the drugs that she was taking to counteract the side-effects of the drugs she had started taking to make her less crazy in the first place.</p>
<p>She still ended up slitting her wrists.</p>
<p>Goddamn doctors and psychiatrists.</p>
<p>Later on they admitted, &#8220;Woops!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/29/open-thread-11-29-2024/#comment-2774507</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2024 01:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m having good results from exercise and introducing some resistant starches into my diet (and thanks for posting about them, Neo). My opinion, and my doctor&#039;s, is that the shots are appropriate for people who are morbidly obese or have type 2 diabetes resistant to change from diet and exercise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m having good results from exercise and introducing some resistant starches into my diet (and thanks for posting about them, Neo). My opinion, and my doctor&#8217;s, is that the shots are appropriate for people who are morbidly obese or have type 2 diabetes resistant to change from diet and exercise.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2024 01:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J.:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.healthline.com/health-news/most-people-top-using-ozempic-wegovy-after-a-year-experts-explain-why#What-happens-when-you-stop-taking-Ozempic-or-Wegovy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;A lot of people&lt;/a&gt; stop taking the drugs for a number of reasons, including side effects.  Most of them gain the weight back.

I read somewhere that they are now developing drugs that spare muscle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J.:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.healthline.com/health-news/most-people-top-using-ozempic-wegovy-after-a-year-experts-explain-why#What-happens-when-you-stop-taking-Ozempic-or-Wegovy" rel="nofollow ugc">A lot of people</a> stop taking the drugs for a number of reasons, including side effects.  Most of them gain the weight back.</p>
<p>I read somewhere that they are now developing drugs that spare muscle.</p>
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