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		By: David+Foster		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/26/trumps-tariffs/#comment-2774353</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Oldflyer...&quot;If that is considered too strong, then methodically inspect every single truck arriving at a border crossing. Let’s see videos of very long lines, creeping forward at a snail’s pace, or slower. Let’s listen to the wails of the Mexican shippers and truckers.&quot;  Yes, non-tariff barriers are a thing, and this point rarely gets discussed amid all the talk about tariffs.

Many years ago, I had a nice lunch with a group of European customs officials. They were swapping stories about techniques that had been used in their countries to minimize the import of low-cost products that threatened employment in their own countries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer&#8230;&#8221;If that is considered too strong, then methodically inspect every single truck arriving at a border crossing. Let’s see videos of very long lines, creeping forward at a snail’s pace, or slower. Let’s listen to the wails of the Mexican shippers and truckers.&#8221;  Yes, non-tariff barriers are a thing, and this point rarely gets discussed amid all the talk about tariffs.</p>
<p>Many years ago, I had a nice lunch with a group of European customs officials. They were swapping stories about techniques that had been used in their countries to minimize the import of low-cost products that threatened employment in their own countries.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/26/trumps-tariffs/#comment-2774345</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2024 12:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geez...more Trump “bluster” – &lt;i&gt;again&lt;/i&gt;?!? After posting an article last night that Mexico was going to “stop migration”  – and added a quote of Sheinbaum confirming it:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14135607/Mexico-president-Sheinbaum-trump-border.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mexican president clarifies country will &#039;not close borders&#039; just hours after Trump declares MAJOR victory by claiming she said the EXACT opposite&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Quit whining about the border – close it and issue warnings that anyone crossing illegally will be shot—women and children included.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez&#8230;more Trump “bluster” – <i>again</i>?!? After posting an article last night that Mexico was going to “stop migration”  – and added a quote of Sheinbaum confirming it:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14135607/Mexico-president-Sheinbaum-trump-border.html" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>Mexican president clarifies country will &#8216;not close borders&#8217; just hours after Trump declares MAJOR victory by claiming she said the EXACT opposite</b></a></p>
<p>Quit whining about the border – close it and issue warnings that anyone crossing illegally will be shot—women and children included.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/26/trumps-tariffs/#comment-2774292</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2024 03:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14134907/mexican-president-sheinbaum-stop-migration-donald-trump.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Mexican President vows to stop migration through Mexico into the U.S. &#039;effective immediately,&#039; Trump says&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Sheinbaum confirmed that she would be immediately addressing migration, including a caravan of migrants that was headed for the U.S.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14134907/mexican-president-sheinbaum-stop-migration-donald-trump.html" rel="nofollow ugc">Mexican President vows to stop migration through Mexico into the U.S. &#8216;effective immediately,&#8217; Trump says</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Sheinbaum confirmed that she would be immediately addressing migration, including a caravan of migrants that was headed for the U.S.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/26/trumps-tariffs/#comment-2774186</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2024 14:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Given the official and semi-official complicity of various governments in, at the least, the fentanyl trade, a tariff seems like a modest tactic.  Comparing these deaths to various wars is enlightening.
What, if not a tariff, would be sufficient to get the Mexicans and Chinese to stop the drug freeway?  Would that make anybody happier than would tariffs?
Ditto with regard to immigrants.
Suggestions have included Delta Force, armed drones, and, generally, moves which would look pretty much like war.  I mean, 100,000 of OUR PEOPLE DEAD means...what?
Answers will vary, and with them suggestions as to how to stop the drugs.  And which ones would be nicer and kinder than taiffs?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the official and semi-official complicity of various governments in, at the least, the fentanyl trade, a tariff seems like a modest tactic.  Comparing these deaths to various wars is enlightening.<br />
What, if not a tariff, would be sufficient to get the Mexicans and Chinese to stop the drug freeway?  Would that make anybody happier than would tariffs?<br />
Ditto with regard to immigrants.<br />
Suggestions have included Delta Force, armed drones, and, generally, moves which would look pretty much like war.  I mean, 100,000 of OUR PEOPLE DEAD means&#8230;what?<br />
Answers will vary, and with them suggestions as to how to stop the drugs.  And which ones would be nicer and kinder than taiffs?</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/26/trumps-tariffs/#comment-2774154</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2024 05:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I no longer consider either Mexico or Canada to be friendly countries.  They have disrespected, and taken advantage for a long time.
Trump needs to get their attention, and he won&#039;t do it by saying &#039;please&#039;.
My thoughts were that Trump should simply shutdown the Southern border.  Let the Mexicans eat their guacamole and refried beans.  Let GM&#039;s Mexican built cars gather dust, broken windows,  or stolen tires.  Let the tourist traps go empty.  Nothing, nothing at all moves North or South until he gets their attention.
If that is considered too strong, then methodically inspect every single truck arriving at a border crossing.  Let&#039;s see videos of very long lines, creeping forward at a snail&#039;s pace, or slower.  Let&#039;s listen to the wails of the Mexican shippers and truckers.
Trump should tell the American people that we have been invaded for years now; and we have to do whatever is necessary to stop it.  I am old enough to remember eighty or so years ago when Americans dramatically tightened their belts at home, and sent millions of young men to fight Germany and Japan.  Neither of them presented a level of threat to the homeland equal to the one we face now.  It is time for the current generations to defend America, even if it involves, alas, a bit of inconvenience.
Not holding my breath for any of this, of course.  But, good luck President Trump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I no longer consider either Mexico or Canada to be friendly countries.  They have disrespected, and taken advantage for a long time.<br />
Trump needs to get their attention, and he won&#8217;t do it by saying &#8216;please&#8217;.<br />
My thoughts were that Trump should simply shutdown the Southern border.  Let the Mexicans eat their guacamole and refried beans.  Let GM&#8217;s Mexican built cars gather dust, broken windows,  or stolen tires.  Let the tourist traps go empty.  Nothing, nothing at all moves North or South until he gets their attention.<br />
If that is considered too strong, then methodically inspect every single truck arriving at a border crossing.  Let&#8217;s see videos of very long lines, creeping forward at a snail&#8217;s pace, or slower.  Let&#8217;s listen to the wails of the Mexican shippers and truckers.<br />
Trump should tell the American people that we have been invaded for years now; and we have to do whatever is necessary to stop it.  I am old enough to remember eighty or so years ago when Americans dramatically tightened their belts at home, and sent millions of young men to fight Germany and Japan.  Neither of them presented a level of threat to the homeland equal to the one we face now.  It is time for the current generations to defend America, even if it involves, alas, a bit of inconvenience.<br />
Not holding my breath for any of this, of course.  But, good luck President Trump.</p>
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		By: DMesho		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/26/trumps-tariffs/#comment-2774139</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2024 01:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can tariffs ultimately hurt American citizens?

Yes, but … and this is a yuuuge but … corporations and companies will do anything to avoid tarifffs … well there’s a caveat … US companies will do anything except to build US plants and employ US workers.  This is not wholly, but mostly.

Harley Davidson is truly a good example even though it’s used as bad example under Reagan … Harley Davidson decided to move US production on several bikes to Thailand.  Thailand had a massive tariff and at the same time gave incentives to foreign investment.

Granted, it’s more complicated, but if you tariff and give incentives, you can get very good results.

Harley is not the only one to do such things.

This article proclaims Trump’s tariff is wrong, but its assertion fact belies that claim …

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/4949406-trump-tariffs-harley-davidson/amp/

What? They the only one … nope … every friggin Japanese auto maker did this in response to Reagan’s tariffs

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/26/business/japan-american-honda-hnk-intl

“To avoid the quotas of the 1980s, more Japanese automakers decided to move manufacturing on to American shores and establish alliances with domestic car makers.”

This is what companies do to avoid tariffs.  It’s a maxim of going towards the path of least resistance.  And it makes $$$ for them.  

What’s ironic and sad in my opinion is US car companies have been exporting manufacturing and jobs to countries like high cost Canada and low cost Mexico with no tariff issues for half a century or more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can tariffs ultimately hurt American citizens?</p>
<p>Yes, but … and this is a yuuuge but … corporations and companies will do anything to avoid tarifffs … well there’s a caveat … US companies will do anything except to build US plants and employ US workers.  This is not wholly, but mostly.</p>
<p>Harley Davidson is truly a good example even though it’s used as bad example under Reagan … Harley Davidson decided to move US production on several bikes to Thailand.  Thailand had a massive tariff and at the same time gave incentives to foreign investment.</p>
<p>Granted, it’s more complicated, but if you tariff and give incentives, you can get very good results.</p>
<p>Harley is not the only one to do such things.</p>
<p>This article proclaims Trump’s tariff is wrong, but its assertion fact belies that claim …</p>
<p><a href="https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/4949406-trump-tariffs-harley-davidson/amp/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/4949406-trump-tariffs-harley-davidson/amp/</a></p>
<p>What? They the only one … nope … every friggin Japanese auto maker did this in response to Reagan’s tariffs</p>
<p><a href="https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/26/business/japan-american-honda-hnk-intl" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/26/business/japan-american-honda-hnk-intl</a></p>
<p>“To avoid the quotas of the 1980s, more Japanese automakers decided to move manufacturing on to American shores and establish alliances with domestic car makers.”</p>
<p>This is what companies do to avoid tariffs.  It’s a maxim of going towards the path of least resistance.  And it makes $$$ for them.  </p>
<p>What’s ironic and sad in my opinion is US car companies have been exporting manufacturing and jobs to countries like high cost Canada and low cost Mexico with no tariff issues for half a century or more.</p>
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		By: Another+Mike		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/26/trumps-tariffs/#comment-2774136</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2024 01:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How about (5):  He likes to watch the Left&#039;s heads explode.

With a hint of (2) and (4).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about (5):  He likes to watch the Left&#8217;s heads explode.</p>
<p>With a hint of (2) and (4).</p>
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		By: Cornflour		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/26/trumps-tariffs/#comment-2774126</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2024 00:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When it comes to tariffs, I&#039;m reminded of Thomas Sowell&#039;s remark:

“There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs.”

For a longer treatment of an economist&#039;s view of tariffs and a bunch of other current issues, please consider reading Scott Sumner&#039;s recent post entitled &quot;The &#039;It Doesn&#039;t Matter&#039; Perspective&quot; (https://scottsumner.substack.com/p/the-it-doesnt-matter-perspective).

Sumner is an economist who became well-known for his interesting take on the financial crisis.  I finally had to quit reading his blog after he contracted a virulent case of Trump derangement syndrome.  Luckily, this post is free of that, and has plenty of those anti-commonsense arguments that economists like to make.  It&#039;s interesting.  Unfortunately, I studied economics a million years ago, so I&#039;m not qualified to critique Sumner&#039;s post.

For those in a hurry, here&#039;s what Sumner has to say about tariffs:

&quot;I’ve seen other pundits make all sorts of arguments against tariffs, claiming that they will indirectly hurt our firms by driving up the cost of inputs such as auto parts, or that other countries will retaliate. Those claims may be true, but there’s a much simpler explanation for why tariffs don’t have the impact their proponents expect; our current account balance reflects the gap between domestic saving and domestic investment (which is a negative number in the US.)

A tariff that raised a great deal of revenue could conceivably reduce the deficit by raising national saving. But the sort of populist politicians that favor tariffs also tend to run massive budget deficits, so it’s unlikely that any plausible US tariff policy would actually reduce the trade deficit. For example, the deficit did not improve as a result of the Trump/Biden tariffs. Tariffs tend to appreciate the domestic currency, offsetting any competitive advantage to domestic firms from higher taxes on imports.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to tariffs, I&#8217;m reminded of Thomas Sowell&#8217;s remark:</p>
<p>“There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs.”</p>
<p>For a longer treatment of an economist&#8217;s view of tariffs and a bunch of other current issues, please consider reading Scott Sumner&#8217;s recent post entitled &#8220;The &#8216;It Doesn&#8217;t Matter&#8217; Perspective&#8221; (<a href="https://scottsumner.substack.com/p/the-it-doesnt-matter-perspective" rel="nofollow ugc">https://scottsumner.substack.com/p/the-it-doesnt-matter-perspective</a>).</p>
<p>Sumner is an economist who became well-known for his interesting take on the financial crisis.  I finally had to quit reading his blog after he contracted a virulent case of Trump derangement syndrome.  Luckily, this post is free of that, and has plenty of those anti-commonsense arguments that economists like to make.  It&#8217;s interesting.  Unfortunately, I studied economics a million years ago, so I&#8217;m not qualified to critique Sumner&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>For those in a hurry, here&#8217;s what Sumner has to say about tariffs:</p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve seen other pundits make all sorts of arguments against tariffs, claiming that they will indirectly hurt our firms by driving up the cost of inputs such as auto parts, or that other countries will retaliate. Those claims may be true, but there’s a much simpler explanation for why tariffs don’t have the impact their proponents expect; our current account balance reflects the gap between domestic saving and domestic investment (which is a negative number in the US.)</p>
<p>A tariff that raised a great deal of revenue could conceivably reduce the deficit by raising national saving. But the sort of populist politicians that favor tariffs also tend to run massive budget deficits, so it’s unlikely that any plausible US tariff policy would actually reduce the trade deficit. For example, the deficit did not improve as a result of the Trump/Biden tariffs. Tariffs tend to appreciate the domestic currency, offsetting any competitive advantage to domestic firms from higher taxes on imports.&#8221;</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2024 00:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The 25% on Canada and Mexico is a bit of a surprise to me.  Especially Canada, though Trudeau is a possible factor there.

I thought that the way the news item stated the tariffs was odd.  &quot;An additional 10% on China.&quot;  Additional to what?  Apparently, as stated in The Hill, there are tariffs that Trump placed on China in his first term that are still in effect.  Additional to those tariffs.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5010163-brian-schatz-trump-tariffs/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 25% on Canada and Mexico is a bit of a surprise to me.  Especially Canada, though Trudeau is a possible factor there.</p>
<p>I thought that the way the news item stated the tariffs was odd.  &#8220;An additional 10% on China.&#8221;  Additional to what?  Apparently, as stated in The Hill, there are tariffs that Trump placed on China in his first term that are still in effect.  Additional to those tariffs.</p>
<p><a href="https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5010163-brian-schatz-trump-tariffs/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5010163-brian-schatz-trump-tariffs/</a></p>
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		By: SHIREHOME		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/26/trumps-tariffs/#comment-2774119</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 23:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Food costs could go up here. We get a lot of our fruit and veggies from Mexico and SA. 
I think the Prez of Mexico would find that Mexico would catch the Flu, while the US will have the sniffles.
Trump could explain until he was blue in the face, but the average citizen would still not understand, nor pay attention]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food costs could go up here. We get a lot of our fruit and veggies from Mexico and SA.<br />
I think the Prez of Mexico would find that Mexico would catch the Flu, while the US will have the sniffles.<br />
Trump could explain until he was blue in the face, but the average citizen would still not understand, nor pay attention</p>
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