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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 18:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;...21 months that Ukrainian resistance will collapse any day now.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; -Art Deco 

The flip side of that was Russia was running out of missiles and their soldier were fighting with shovels. Neither has turned out to be true.

The point of my comment was there is a third strategy that doesn&#039;t require the loss of several hundred thousand more lives.

Ukraine&#039;s claims that 700,000 Russian soldiers have died already and westerrn sources estimate that 100-200,000 Ukrainians have died. The war needs to end. Continuing the war with similar deaths and then settling the war with collapse or negotiations is cruel on our part, IMO.

The point of my comment was there is a third strategy that can maintain Ukraine as a sovereign nation. It&#039;s going to take hundreds of billions of dollars to rebuild Ukraine&#039;s infrastructure and economy. Right now Ukraine&#039;s government is running a 50% deficit.

The longer the war lasts, the more likely the millions of Ukrainians that fled the country won&#039;t return.

The European countries and Ukraine can embark on a strategy of &quot;peace through strength&quot;. Create a defensive military strength that will deter any future Russian aggression west. That is the best strategy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;21 months that Ukrainian resistance will collapse any day now.&#8221;</i> -Art Deco </p>
<p>The flip side of that was Russia was running out of missiles and their soldier were fighting with shovels. Neither has turned out to be true.</p>
<p>The point of my comment was there is a third strategy that doesn&#8217;t require the loss of several hundred thousand more lives.</p>
<p>Ukraine&#8217;s claims that 700,000 Russian soldiers have died already and westerrn sources estimate that 100-200,000 Ukrainians have died. The war needs to end. Continuing the war with similar deaths and then settling the war with collapse or negotiations is cruel on our part, IMO.</p>
<p>The point of my comment was there is a third strategy that can maintain Ukraine as a sovereign nation. It&#8217;s going to take hundreds of billions of dollars to rebuild Ukraine&#8217;s infrastructure and economy. Right now Ukraine&#8217;s government is running a 50% deficit.</p>
<p>The longer the war lasts, the more likely the millions of Ukrainians that fled the country won&#8217;t return.</p>
<p>The European countries and Ukraine can embark on a strategy of &#8220;peace through strength&#8221;. Create a defensive military strength that will deter any future Russian aggression west. That is the best strategy.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/25/open-thread-11-25-2024/#comment-2774038</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 15:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;One of the issues I have with the Ukraine-Russia War is the tendency of Ukraine hawks to engage in faulty thinking. &lt;/i&gt;
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The supposedly unfaulty thinking of Putin partisans has been telling all of us for 21 months that Ukrainian resistance will collapse any day now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One of the issues I have with the Ukraine-Russia War is the tendency of Ukraine hawks to engage in faulty thinking. </i><br />
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The supposedly unfaulty thinking of Putin partisans has been telling all of us for 21 months that Ukrainian resistance will collapse any day now.</p>
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		By: Hubert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/25/open-thread-11-25-2024/#comment-2774034</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hubert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 15:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miguel: and Richard Sorge in Japan, who passed on information about the impending invasion from sources in the German embassy in Tokyo. Stalin ignored it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel: and Richard Sorge in Japan, who passed on information about the impending invasion from sources in the German embassy in Tokyo. Stalin ignored it.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 14:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[yes, Stalin had two sets of informers, there was the Rote Kapelle, and then there was Demidov, an agent named Monarch,* who operated inside the white Russian community in Germany, both tipped him off, of course since the Abwehr was not actually operating as active intelligence, in the lead up to Barbarossa,

*I found that out from max hastings previous work on ciphers and spyrings,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, Stalin had two sets of informers, there was the Rote Kapelle, and then there was Demidov, an agent named Monarch,* who operated inside the white Russian community in Germany, both tipped him off, of course since the Abwehr was not actually operating as active intelligence, in the lead up to Barbarossa,</p>
<p>*I found that out from max hastings previous work on ciphers and spyrings,</p>
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		By: Mike Plaiss		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Plaiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 14:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From memory, McMeekin (Stalin’s War) does write a bit about this. He claims well placed spies were well aware of Barbarossa, and even knew the date of the attack. But, as huxley put it, &lt;i&gt; …and things were going badly, Stalin disappeared.&lt;/i&gt; I believe it was during the schocking rapid advance phase of the German assault, when Ukrainian troops were putting up virtually no resistance, that Stalin pulled his disappearing act.  I could have the timing a bit wrong here, and I can’t remember if it was fact or urban legend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From memory, McMeekin (Stalin’s War) does write a bit about this. He claims well placed spies were well aware of Barbarossa, and even knew the date of the attack. But, as huxley put it, <i> …and things were going badly, Stalin disappeared.</i> I believe it was during the schocking rapid advance phase of the German assault, when Ukrainian troops were putting up virtually no resistance, that Stalin pulled his disappearing act.  I could have the timing a bit wrong here, and I can’t remember if it was fact or urban legend.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/25/open-thread-11-25-2024/#comment-2774025</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 13:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/25/exclusive-crescent-dunes-biden-doj-moved-election-night-cover-up-alleged-solar-energy-scandal/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Crescent Dunes: Biden DOJ Moved on Election Night to Cover Up Alleged Solar Energy Scandal that Cost Taxpayers Hundreds of Millions&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;This story has tentacles back through, not just the Biden administration, but all the way back to the Obama administration, and it could be something that jeopardizes the broader green energy agenda and the future of leftist solar projects on federal lands. At least one congresswoman is already formally pressing the DOJ for answers, and more members of Congress are likely to get involved soon. It could even have major implications for the incoming administration’s energy policy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/25/exclusive-crescent-dunes-biden-doj-moved-election-night-cover-up-alleged-solar-energy-scandal/" rel="nofollow ugc">Crescent Dunes: Biden DOJ Moved on Election Night to Cover Up Alleged Solar Energy Scandal that Cost Taxpayers Hundreds of Millions</a></p>
<blockquote><p>This story has tentacles back through, not just the Biden administration, but all the way back to the Obama administration, and it could be something that jeopardizes the broader green energy agenda and the future of leftist solar projects on federal lands. At least one congresswoman is already formally pressing the DOJ for answers, and more members of Congress are likely to get involved soon. It could even have major implications for the incoming administration’s energy policy.</p></blockquote>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sdferr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 13:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dissident soviet historiam Roy Medvedev treats at some length of Stalin&#039;s dissappearance at the onset of Operation Barbarossa in his book &quot;Let History Judge&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dissident soviet historiam Roy Medvedev treats at some length of Stalin&#8217;s dissappearance at the onset of Operation Barbarossa in his book &#8220;Let History Judge&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/25/open-thread-11-25-2024/#comment-2774023</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 12:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-14126281/Walmart-nixes-DEI-LGBT-themed-products-pressure-conservative-activist.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;World&#039;s largest retailer Walmart nixes DEI and LGBT-themed products after pressure from conservative activist: &#039;This will send shockwaves&#039;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Walmart&#039;s pivot is the latest domino to fall in a growing conservative crusade against DEI initiatives and underscores the increasing pressures faced by corporate America as it continues to navigate the fallout from the Supreme Court&#039;s ruling in June 2023 that ended affirmative action in college admissions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Looks like the Pendulum has definitely started its swing back. ‘&lt;i&gt;Thangs&lt;/i&gt; can move slow, but the election showed there had been a huge move away from Child Butchery &#038; Govt pushing parents aside in order to brainwash innocent Children.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-14126281/Walmart-nixes-DEI-LGBT-themed-products-pressure-conservative-activist.html" rel="nofollow ugc">World&#8217;s largest retailer Walmart nixes DEI and LGBT-themed products after pressure from conservative activist: &#8216;This will send shockwaves&#8217;</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Walmart&#8217;s pivot is the latest domino to fall in a growing conservative crusade against DEI initiatives and underscores the increasing pressures faced by corporate America as it continues to navigate the fallout from the Supreme Court&#8217;s ruling in June 2023 that ended affirmative action in college admissions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Looks like the Pendulum has definitely started its swing back. ‘<i>Thangs</i> can move slow, but the election showed there had been a huge move away from Child Butchery &amp; Govt pushing parents aside in order to brainwash innocent Children.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/25/open-thread-11-25-2024/#comment-2774021</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 12:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Day by Day cartoons are all over The View - &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.daybydaycartoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/112624.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;LEGAL NOTE&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Then:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://nypost.com/2024/11/23/entertainment/the-view-hosts-forced-to-issue-four-legal-notes-in-a-single-episode-spent-trashing-trumps-cabinet-pick/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;‘The View’ hosts forced to issue four ‘legal notes’ in a single episode spent trashing Trump’s cabinet picks&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;The legal notes — which are disclaimers provided by the subjects’ lawyers — pertained to remarks made on-air by hosts Joy Behar, Sara Haines, Ana Navarro, Sunny Hostin and Alyssa Farah Griffin.
***
“One minute, I just got a note,” Behar told the audience while looking down at her device. “We have to clarify that Santos eventually reached a plea deal after pleading guilty to wire fraud and aggravated identity theft.”
***
In the same segment, the “View” ladies discussed sexual assault allegations made against Trump’s first pick for attorney general, Matt Gaetz, and for defense secretary, Pete Hegseth. 
***
“I have a legal note,” she stated. “Matt Gaetz has long denied all allegations and has not been charged with any crime.”

“Also, another legal note,” Hostin continued. “Pete Hegseth’s lawyer said he paid [his assault accuser] in 2023 to head off the threat of a baseless lawsuit. He has denied any wrongdoing. “

Several minutes later, Hostin — a onetime prosecutor — issued a fourth legal disclaimer pertaining to Pam Bondi, Trump’s new nominee for attorney general.

“I’m sorry everyone, I have another legal note,” Hostin told the audience, to which Behar could be heard groaning, “Oh my God.”
***
&lt;b&gt;“We’re going to call [the show] ‘The Legal Note,&#039;”&lt;/b&gt; Behar quipped. &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Day by Day cartoons are all over The View &#8211; <a href="https://www.daybydaycartoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/112624.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>LEGAL NOTE</b></a></p>
<p>Then:</p>
<p><a href="https://nypost.com/2024/11/23/entertainment/the-view-hosts-forced-to-issue-four-legal-notes-in-a-single-episode-spent-trashing-trumps-cabinet-pick/" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>‘The View’ hosts forced to issue four ‘legal notes’ in a single episode spent trashing Trump’s cabinet picks</b></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The legal notes — which are disclaimers provided by the subjects’ lawyers — pertained to remarks made on-air by hosts Joy Behar, Sara Haines, Ana Navarro, Sunny Hostin and Alyssa Farah Griffin.<br />
***<br />
“One minute, I just got a note,” Behar told the audience while looking down at her device. “We have to clarify that Santos eventually reached a plea deal after pleading guilty to wire fraud and aggravated identity theft.”<br />
***<br />
In the same segment, the “View” ladies discussed sexual assault allegations made against Trump’s first pick for attorney general, Matt Gaetz, and for defense secretary, Pete Hegseth.<br />
***<br />
“I have a legal note,” she stated. “Matt Gaetz has long denied all allegations and has not been charged with any crime.”</p>
<p>“Also, another legal note,” Hostin continued. “Pete Hegseth’s lawyer said he paid [his assault accuser] in 2023 to head off the threat of a baseless lawsuit. He has denied any wrongdoing. “</p>
<p>Several minutes later, Hostin — a onetime prosecutor — issued a fourth legal disclaimer pertaining to Pam Bondi, Trump’s new nominee for attorney general.</p>
<p>“I’m sorry everyone, I have another legal note,” Hostin told the audience, to which Behar could be heard groaning, “Oh my God.”<br />
***<br />
<b>“We’re going to call [the show] ‘The Legal Note,&#8217;”</b> Behar quipped. </p></blockquote>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/25/open-thread-11-25-2024/#comment-2774002</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Solzhenitsyn mentions something like this in one of his novels, perhaps it was “The First Circle”. 
IIRC, on hearing that the Germans had launched Operation Barbarossa—meaning that Hitler had shredded the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Stalin went into a deep funk because, according to Solzhenitsyn, he had previously believed that Hitler was the ONLY true friend he had….

(In addition to this bitter personal betrayal, just how much Stalin was ALSO thinking of the cream of the Soviet officers corps, which he had just recently executed, is open to question….)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solzhenitsyn mentions something like this in one of his novels, perhaps it was “The First Circle”.<br />
IIRC, on hearing that the Germans had launched Operation Barbarossa—meaning that Hitler had shredded the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Stalin went into a deep funk because, according to Solzhenitsyn, he had previously believed that Hitler was the ONLY true friend he had….</p>
<p>(In addition to this bitter personal betrayal, just how much Stalin was ALSO thinking of the cream of the Soviet officers corps, which he had just recently executed, is open to question….)</p>
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