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		By: Skip		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems in Pennsylvania they are going to drag out counting until Casey can win, it doesn&#039;t appear to be finished either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems in Pennsylvania they are going to drag out counting until Casey can win, it doesn&#8217;t appear to be finished either.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2024 06:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At the recording of this video Lake is down by 33,000 with 14% of the ballots left to count. If the ballots fall in the same proportion as what has been counted, Lake will likely lose by 50,000.

The forecaster of this video calculates that the precincts left to count could favor Lake and thinks it&#039;s possible she could make up the 33,000 she is down at this point.


&lt;b&gt;KARI LAKE IS VERY MUCH STILL IN THIS FIGHT IN THE ARIZONA SENATE SEAT...(SHE CAN WIN)&lt;/b&gt;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjAEWtCmz8w]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the recording of this video Lake is down by 33,000 with 14% of the ballots left to count. If the ballots fall in the same proportion as what has been counted, Lake will likely lose by 50,000.</p>
<p>The forecaster of this video calculates that the precincts left to count could favor Lake and thinks it&#8217;s possible she could make up the 33,000 she is down at this point.</p>
<p><b>KARI LAKE IS VERY MUCH STILL IN THIS FIGHT IN THE ARIZONA SENATE SEAT&#8230;(SHE CAN WIN)</b><br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjAEWtCmz8w" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjAEWtCmz8w</a></p>
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		By: Bob Wilson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2024 04:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Republicans flipped CO8. Evans defeats Caraveo. 

https://coloradosun.com/2024/11/10/gabe-evans-beats-yadira-caraveo-colorado/

This may be 217]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans flipped CO8. Evans defeats Caraveo. </p>
<p><a href="https://coloradosun.com/2024/11/10/gabe-evans-beats-yadira-caraveo-colorado/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://coloradosun.com/2024/11/10/gabe-evans-beats-yadira-caraveo-colorado/</a></p>
<p>This may be 217</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Found it:
“Democrat Ruben Gallego defeats Republican Kari Lake, wins Arizona Senate race: Decision Desk“—
https://nypost.com/2024/11/09/us-news/gallego-defeats-lake-in-arizona-senate-bid/

Once again, hope you’re right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found it:<br />
“Democrat Ruben Gallego defeats Republican Kari Lake, wins Arizona Senate race: Decision Desk“—<br />
<a href="https://nypost.com/2024/11/09/us-news/gallego-defeats-lake-in-arizona-senate-bid/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2024/11/09/us-news/gallego-defeats-lake-in-arizona-senate-bid/</a></p>
<p>Once again, hope you’re right.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that. 
Hope, certainly, that you’re right and I’m wrong. 

The source was the NY Post. 
Looked for that article now and can’t find it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that.<br />
Hope, certainly, that you’re right and I’m wrong. </p>
<p>The source was the NY Post.<br />
Looked for that article now and can’t find it.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2024 18:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meiselin :&lt;i&gt;  Lake has lost. &lt;/i&gt; 
That is incorrect.
You might want to broaden your sources, or at least clearly flag your opinion as your opinion.  Did you mean they were going to steal it again?

The Senate vote has NOT been called as of 1:31 pm eastern time Sunday.
Lake has NOT lost.
per NYT--Keri is ahead at 1:38pm eastern

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-arizona-us-senate.html

She has decreased her deficit  with every drop all week long, and is expected to continue to do so, as  the majority of votes pending are Day Of drop off ballots, which traditionally trend R.  

In addition, if there is less than a 1.5% difference , a recount is automatically triggered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Meiselin :<i>  Lake has lost. </i><br />
That is incorrect.<br />
You might want to broaden your sources, or at least clearly flag your opinion as your opinion.  Did you mean they were going to steal it again?</p>
<p>The Senate vote has NOT been called as of 1:31 pm eastern time Sunday.<br />
Lake has NOT lost.<br />
per NYT&#8211;Keri is ahead at 1:38pm eastern</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-arizona-us-senate.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-arizona-us-senate.html</a></p>
<p>She has decreased her deficit  with every drop all week long, and is expected to continue to do so, as  the majority of votes pending are Day Of drop off ballots, which traditionally trend R.  </p>
<p>In addition, if there is less than a 1.5% difference , a recount is automatically triggered.</p>
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		By: Gordon Scott		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry, 
Officials will do the minimum to get by. I think they knew they screwed up, but there wasn&#039;t any practical way to undo it. No doubt some voters didn&#039;t get to vote. Did it affect races? Almost surely; the AG race came down to 200 votes. Did affect the other big name races? Probably, but the Dem ground game was likely the bigger factor. IMHO, of course.

This time there was a similar but not identical problem in Navajo County, but that affected a few thousand voters, and they had a process to accept the ballots, fix the tabulators, then run the ballots through, rather than tell the voter to come back later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry,<br />
Officials will do the minimum to get by. I think they knew they screwed up, but there wasn&#8217;t any practical way to undo it. No doubt some voters didn&#8217;t get to vote. Did it affect races? Almost surely; the AG race came down to 200 votes. Did affect the other big name races? Probably, but the Dem ground game was likely the bigger factor. IMHO, of course.</p>
<p>This time there was a similar but not identical problem in Navajo County, but that affected a few thousand voters, and they had a process to accept the ballots, fix the tabulators, then run the ballots through, rather than tell the voter to come back later.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/09/arizona-bringing-up-the-rear/#comment-2771243</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that. 
It is certainly encouraging.

What’s your view, though, on the 2022 elections and all those voting machines that broke down—presumably due to the wrong-sized voting forms?—in Maricopa county together with the decision afterward not to do anything about those much more than a dozen or two “lost” votes?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that.<br />
It is certainly encouraging.</p>
<p>What’s your view, though, on the 2022 elections and all those voting machines that broke down—presumably due to the wrong-sized voting forms?—in Maricopa county together with the decision afterward not to do anything about those much more than a dozen or two “lost” votes?</p>
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		By: Gordon Scott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was an election judge for 30 years in Minnesota, moved to AZ three years ago. As near as I can tell, there&#039;s no cheating in the counting process. As with other states with mailed ballots, the way to cheat here is by ballot harvesting. That&#039;s untraceable.

First, Arizonans like to have a ballot mailed to them, and they like to let it age and cure properly before returning it. But when it is returned, there&#039;s a signature on the outside that has to be matched to one on file. That is done by humans, and it takes time.

That bit about oh, two long two-sided ballots being hard, no, that ain&#039;t it. Once the signature is verified, they can be fed in upside down, backwards, any way you like. The tabulator will reject a ballot with errors. It&#039;s not like the workers have to scrutinize each one before feeding it.

Arizonans vote for EVERYTHING. School board, community college board, state college board, mine inspector, ag inspector, library board, county commission, water board, water conservation board, constable, justice of the peace and more! Each has their own boundary lines, as of course do legislators and congressfolk.

The net result is that Maricopa county has 2000 different ballot configurations. Rather than have 2000 voting locations, they have 200 and you can vote at any of them. Your ballot is printed on the spot. This was an issue in Maricopa in 2022. But that&#039;s how it works. 

So you have early voters in person. Easy peasy, they&#039;re done and gone. Many, many voters get mailed ballots. This is more carefully administered than in CA or Oregon. The voter can mail back the ballot, or drop it off at any voting center. Or, the voter can keep the ballot and just vote in person on Election Day.

The problem comes when voters return their mailed ballots on or just before Election Day. These are held until polls close. Next day they start processing these. If folks would just drop mailed ballots off earlier, much less delays. But they don&#039;t.

County Recorder Stephen Richer is a prick. A Republican prick. The SoState is a Democrat Soros prick. He whines that the legislature won&#039;t give him more money.

The legislature, run by Republicans, created this system. There was a bill to improve it this year but Dem Gov Soros creature Hobbs vetoed it.

All that said, it looks to me like the system is working as designed, and it ain&#039;t like they didn&#039;t warn us. They did.

Why did Kari Lake run 5 points behind Trump? Two years ago she insulted the McCainiacs, and they don&#039;t forgive. The Scottsdale (wealthy) Abortion Moms don&#039;t like her either. Some of them liked Kamala even less, so Trump got votes there.

Kari Lake carried the rest of the state 60-40, except for Tucson. If she&#039;d just split Maricopa 50-50 she&#039;d have won.

One oddity: Trump carried Native Americans 65-35. I&#039;m trying to figure that out. In 2022 the Dems ran a big expensive vote harvesting operation on the reservations . But not this year, it seems. 

Oh--Maricopa County = Phoenix, Mesa, Scottsdale, Tempe and more. 65 percent of Arizonans live in Maricopa County.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an election judge for 30 years in Minnesota, moved to AZ three years ago. As near as I can tell, there&#8217;s no cheating in the counting process. As with other states with mailed ballots, the way to cheat here is by ballot harvesting. That&#8217;s untraceable.</p>
<p>First, Arizonans like to have a ballot mailed to them, and they like to let it age and cure properly before returning it. But when it is returned, there&#8217;s a signature on the outside that has to be matched to one on file. That is done by humans, and it takes time.</p>
<p>That bit about oh, two long two-sided ballots being hard, no, that ain&#8217;t it. Once the signature is verified, they can be fed in upside down, backwards, any way you like. The tabulator will reject a ballot with errors. It&#8217;s not like the workers have to scrutinize each one before feeding it.</p>
<p>Arizonans vote for EVERYTHING. School board, community college board, state college board, mine inspector, ag inspector, library board, county commission, water board, water conservation board, constable, justice of the peace and more! Each has their own boundary lines, as of course do legislators and congressfolk.</p>
<p>The net result is that Maricopa county has 2000 different ballot configurations. Rather than have 2000 voting locations, they have 200 and you can vote at any of them. Your ballot is printed on the spot. This was an issue in Maricopa in 2022. But that&#8217;s how it works. </p>
<p>So you have early voters in person. Easy peasy, they&#8217;re done and gone. Many, many voters get mailed ballots. This is more carefully administered than in CA or Oregon. The voter can mail back the ballot, or drop it off at any voting center. Or, the voter can keep the ballot and just vote in person on Election Day.</p>
<p>The problem comes when voters return their mailed ballots on or just before Election Day. These are held until polls close. Next day they start processing these. If folks would just drop mailed ballots off earlier, much less delays. But they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>County Recorder Stephen Richer is a prick. A Republican prick. The SoState is a Democrat Soros prick. He whines that the legislature won&#8217;t give him more money.</p>
<p>The legislature, run by Republicans, created this system. There was a bill to improve it this year but Dem Gov Soros creature Hobbs vetoed it.</p>
<p>All that said, it looks to me like the system is working as designed, and it ain&#8217;t like they didn&#8217;t warn us. They did.</p>
<p>Why did Kari Lake run 5 points behind Trump? Two years ago she insulted the McCainiacs, and they don&#8217;t forgive. The Scottsdale (wealthy) Abortion Moms don&#8217;t like her either. Some of them liked Kamala even less, so Trump got votes there.</p>
<p>Kari Lake carried the rest of the state 60-40, except for Tucson. If she&#8217;d just split Maricopa 50-50 she&#8217;d have won.</p>
<p>One oddity: Trump carried Native Americans 65-35. I&#8217;m trying to figure that out. In 2022 the Dems ran a big expensive vote harvesting operation on the reservations . But not this year, it seems. </p>
<p>Oh&#8211;Maricopa County = Phoenix, Mesa, Scottsdale, Tempe and more. 65 percent of Arizonans live in Maricopa County.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2024 04:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lake has lost. 
And it turns out that California has until mid-December to decide whom it wants to win its Congressional elections. 

I guess this might be called the Democratic Party’s PLAN B.
(IOW, they may not have been able to drag Harris across the finish line but all systems are GO in their efforts to hog-tie Trump once again.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lake has lost.<br />
And it turns out that California has until mid-December to decide whom it wants to win its Congressional elections. </p>
<p>I guess this might be called the Democratic Party’s PLAN B.<br />
(IOW, they may not have been able to drag Harris across the finish line but all systems are GO in their efforts to hog-tie Trump once again.)</p>
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