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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Amish are probably gonna like this guy. 
https://notthebee.com/article/lunatic-farmer-joel-salatin-reportedly-tapped-for-usda-role-in-trump-administration

Selected by the possibly prospective Secretary of Agriculture Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/11/07/could-rep-thomas-massie-be-the-next-secretary-of-agriculture/76110303007/

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Massie told The Enquirer in a statement that he hasn&#039;t received commitments or offers from Trump&#039;s transition team and &quot;any discussion of the transition are premature.&quot;

But farmer, author, and activist Joel Salatin said otherwise on his blog. He wrote that he&#039;d been contacted by the Trump transition team and has accepted one of six advisory positions within the Department of Agriculture.
...
Massie represents District 4 in the Bluegrass state, which runs along the Ohio River and includes Northern Kentucky near Cincinnati, Ohio.  

Massie has publicly stood up to and opposed Trump policies he disagrees with, despite some Republicans&#039; reluctance to do the same.
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However, Massie, who lives on a farm in Garrison, Ky., is also a strong ally for farmers and fewer regulations on food products, like unpasteurized milk. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Amish are probably gonna like this guy.<br />
<a href="https://notthebee.com/article/lunatic-farmer-joel-salatin-reportedly-tapped-for-usda-role-in-trump-administration" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/lunatic-farmer-joel-salatin-reportedly-tapped-for-usda-role-in-trump-administration</a></p>
<p>Selected by the possibly prospective Secretary of Agriculture Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/11/07/could-rep-thomas-massie-be-the-next-secretary-of-agriculture/76110303007/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/11/07/could-rep-thomas-massie-be-the-next-secretary-of-agriculture/76110303007/</a></p>
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Massie told The Enquirer in a statement that he hasn&#8217;t received commitments or offers from Trump&#8217;s transition team and &#8220;any discussion of the transition are premature.&#8221;</p>
<p>But farmer, author, and activist Joel Salatin said otherwise on his blog. He wrote that he&#8217;d been contacted by the Trump transition team and has accepted one of six advisory positions within the Department of Agriculture.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Massie represents District 4 in the Bluegrass state, which runs along the Ohio River and includes Northern Kentucky near Cincinnati, Ohio.  </p>
<p>Massie has publicly stood up to and opposed Trump policies he disagrees with, despite some Republicans&#8217; reluctance to do the same.<br />
&#8230;<br />
However, Massie, who lives on a farm in Garrison, Ky., is also a strong ally for farmers and fewer regulations on food products, like unpasteurized milk.
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 07:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ TJ &#062;&quot;The Amish reject 20th century inventions as a rule.&quot;

That&#039;s what I thought, but I was curious after reading the rest of your comment:
&quot;But apparently is [it]  is OK to ride in a van for the Amish.&quot; 
So I looked it up. Very thorough explanation at this site.

https://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-technology/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ TJ &gt;&#8221;The Amish reject 20th century inventions as a rule.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I thought, but I was curious after reading the rest of your comment:<br />
&#8220;But apparently is [it]  is OK to ride in a van for the Amish.&#8221;<br />
So I looked it up. Very thorough explanation at this site.</p>
<p><a href="https://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-technology/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-technology/</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 07:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been following the Amos Miller case since the January raid via a feed from Food Safety News. 

I try to watch for food recalls of the things I usually buy, and I&#039;ve cut back and eliminated a lot of things  (hint: everything you eat will kill you), and I don&#039;t buy raw milk. 
(BTW, they also monitor deadly pet foods, even if the dogs do like them.)

Miller doesn&#039;t have the required licenses for selling raw milk, in or out of Pennsylvania, and claims he doesn&#039;t need them; at least one judge has agreed the laws are ambiguous (overly simplified, see the very last link below). 

The editor at FSN is very down on raw milk, which does have a history of causing illness and sometimes death, but IMO the people who buy it are willing to take that risk, and people have also died eating: romaine lettuce (grown in manure-contaminated water), cinnamon (adulterated for profit), hamburgers with raw onions (McDonald&#039;s last month, it was the onions), and ice cream (Blue Bonnet).

For the record, and to dispel any illusions fostered by the NY Post and a similar Daily Mail story, he is not a poor Amish farmer on his own; he is a Big Business with operations in multiple states. I note that the Lancaster News post linked at NYP doesn&#039;t mention that either.

Anyway, long story short, the raid was kind of a last straw move by the PA authorities, after a lot of years of back and forth about Miller&#039;s food selling enterprises. 

&lt;b&gt;The post most relevant to the Amish vote is this one from February:&lt;/b&gt;
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/02/amos-miller-is-seen-as-a-victim-of-government-overreach-but-a-top-fundraiser/
&lt;blockquote&gt;A poll about local perceptions over the Jan. 4 search warrant of Amos Miller’s Pennsylvania farm found 85.3 percent think it was “government overreach.” But Miller is likely feeling even more warm and fuzzy about $202,460 being raised from his friends and supporters since Jan. 4 toward a current goal of $350,000.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have some sympathy for Miller, tempered by my strong preference for safe food in my grocery stores, but, as I said, his buyers are not ignorant of the risks -- or shouldn&#039;t be -- and there are too many regulations and licenses that are NOT necessary, so I can see where the Amish community saw this as an affront to their chosen lifestyle.

Still, them voting for Trump in such large numbers was not on my bingo card.

*******
Some background and more examples of the ongoing litigation; including the latest update; we could be here all night with the chain of posts on FSN.

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/01/passing-the-collection-plate-comes-naturally-to-amos-miller/
(The editor is editorializing here, IMO)

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/01/state-ag-brings-civil-action-against-amos-miller/

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/03/judge-invites-amos-miller-to-become-pennsylvanias-115th-licensed-raw-milk-dairy/

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/04/amos-millers-attorneys-put-forth-their-best-arguments/

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/10/pennsylvania-wants-to-prevent-out-of-state-raw-milk-sales-by-amos-miller/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been following the Amos Miller case since the January raid via a feed from Food Safety News. </p>
<p>I try to watch for food recalls of the things I usually buy, and I&#8217;ve cut back and eliminated a lot of things  (hint: everything you eat will kill you), and I don&#8217;t buy raw milk.<br />
(BTW, they also monitor deadly pet foods, even if the dogs do like them.)</p>
<p>Miller doesn&#8217;t have the required licenses for selling raw milk, in or out of Pennsylvania, and claims he doesn&#8217;t need them; at least one judge has agreed the laws are ambiguous (overly simplified, see the very last link below). </p>
<p>The editor at FSN is very down on raw milk, which does have a history of causing illness and sometimes death, but IMO the people who buy it are willing to take that risk, and people have also died eating: romaine lettuce (grown in manure-contaminated water), cinnamon (adulterated for profit), hamburgers with raw onions (McDonald&#8217;s last month, it was the onions), and ice cream (Blue Bonnet).</p>
<p>For the record, and to dispel any illusions fostered by the NY Post and a similar Daily Mail story, he is not a poor Amish farmer on his own; he is a Big Business with operations in multiple states. I note that the Lancaster News post linked at NYP doesn&#8217;t mention that either.</p>
<p>Anyway, long story short, the raid was kind of a last straw move by the PA authorities, after a lot of years of back and forth about Miller&#8217;s food selling enterprises. </p>
<p><b>The post most relevant to the Amish vote is this one from February:</b><br />
<a href="https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/02/amos-miller-is-seen-as-a-victim-of-government-overreach-but-a-top-fundraiser/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/02/amos-miller-is-seen-as-a-victim-of-government-overreach-but-a-top-fundraiser/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>A poll about local perceptions over the Jan. 4 search warrant of Amos Miller’s Pennsylvania farm found 85.3 percent think it was “government overreach.” But Miller is likely feeling even more warm and fuzzy about $202,460 being raised from his friends and supporters since Jan. 4 toward a current goal of $350,000.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have some sympathy for Miller, tempered by my strong preference for safe food in my grocery stores, but, as I said, his buyers are not ignorant of the risks &#8212; or shouldn&#8217;t be &#8212; and there are too many regulations and licenses that are NOT necessary, so I can see where the Amish community saw this as an affront to their chosen lifestyle.</p>
<p>Still, them voting for Trump in such large numbers was not on my bingo card.</p>
<p>*******<br />
Some background and more examples of the ongoing litigation; including the latest update; we could be here all night with the chain of posts on FSN.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/01/passing-the-collection-plate-comes-naturally-to-amos-miller/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/01/passing-the-collection-plate-comes-naturally-to-amos-miller/</a><br />
(The editor is editorializing here, IMO)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/01/state-ag-brings-civil-action-against-amos-miller/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/01/state-ag-brings-civil-action-against-amos-miller/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/03/judge-invites-amos-miller-to-become-pennsylvanias-115th-licensed-raw-milk-dairy/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/03/judge-invites-amos-miller-to-become-pennsylvanias-115th-licensed-raw-milk-dairy/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/04/amos-millers-attorneys-put-forth-their-best-arguments/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/04/amos-millers-attorneys-put-forth-their-best-arguments/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/10/pennsylvania-wants-to-prevent-out-of-state-raw-milk-sales-by-amos-miller/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/10/pennsylvania-wants-to-prevent-out-of-state-raw-milk-sales-by-amos-miller/</a></p>
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		By: T J		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 04:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An interesting detail about the Amish vote and Trump in PA I did not know.

I heard a Trump ground game campaigner explain that even the Amish can use a vehicular lift to vote!

The Amish reject 20th century inventions as a rule. But apparently is is OK to ride in a van for the Amish. The only requirement is that the do not drive it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting detail about the Amish vote and Trump in PA I did not know.</p>
<p>I heard a Trump ground game campaigner explain that even the Amish can use a vehicular lift to vote!</p>
<p>The Amish reject 20th century inventions as a rule. But apparently is is OK to ride in a van for the Amish. The only requirement is that the do not drive it.</p>
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		By: Gothamite		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 01:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reading about the Amish coming out to vote made me think about one of the slanders against Trump. Media commentators claimed that Trump would make himself dictator for life, pointing to him saying &quot;just vote this time and you will never have to vote again&quot;. Of course they dropped the fact that he was talking to evangelicals, who often choose not to participate in the electoral process. The same could be said about the Amish, who are very knowledgeable about the world outside their communities, even as many of them choose to limit their involvement in it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading about the Amish coming out to vote made me think about one of the slanders against Trump. Media commentators claimed that Trump would make himself dictator for life, pointing to him saying &#8220;just vote this time and you will never have to vote again&#8221;. Of course they dropped the fact that he was talking to evangelicals, who often choose not to participate in the electoral process. The same could be said about the Amish, who are very knowledgeable about the world outside their communities, even as many of them choose to limit their involvement in it.</p>
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		By: Skip		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 01:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hoe they find Trump is good for what they wanted, could be a new trend]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoe they find Trump is good for what they wanted, could be a new trend</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 00:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I see plain billboards reminding the Amish to register and vote. Nothing pro-Trump.&lt;/i&gt;

Hurin3:

The Amish are an exceptionally crafty people. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I see plain billboards reminding the Amish to register and vote. Nothing pro-Trump.</i></p>
<p>Hurin3:</p>
<p>The Amish are an exceptionally crafty people. 🙂</p>
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		By: Hurin3		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 00:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bird in Hand is in Lancaster County PA, across the Susquehanna from where I live in York. On my daily commute through Amish country in southeastern York County, I see plain billboards reminding the Amish to register and vote. Nothing pro-Trump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bird in Hand is in Lancaster County PA, across the Susquehanna from where I live in York. On my daily commute through Amish country in southeastern York County, I see plain billboards reminding the Amish to register and vote. Nothing pro-Trump.</p>
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		By: SHIREHOME		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2024 23:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And just like that, another Senate Seat flipped to Rep. In PA. Makes you think, right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just like that, another Senate Seat flipped to Rep. In PA. Makes you think, right.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2024 22:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Should one also wonder how many fake Harris ballots were cast?
(Or are we too giddy—though this could change—to care?)

If the answer is “Not enough to matter”, then perhaps one might want to re-ask the question (with more “spirit”…or should that be “joy”…?).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should one also wonder how many fake Harris ballots were cast?<br />
(Or are we too giddy—though this could change—to care?)</p>
<p>If the answer is “Not enough to matter”, then perhaps one might want to re-ask the question (with more “spirit”…or should that be “joy”…?).</p>
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