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		By: R2L		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/06/more-and-more-and-more-an-election-roundup/#comment-2770830</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 03:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The link provided by Molly on November 7, 2024 at 12:36 am, in the next thread:
Here is a nice clip to celebrate by:  https://x.com/KTHopkins/status/1854090142274740657

This is an example where I almost teared up at the end, very glad to see a women in the UK lauding our system and results in a strongly positive (and allied) way. Given the decline in free speech in the UK right now, I wonder if she is at some legal risk doing so.

I probably would not have reacted that way when younger.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link provided by Molly on November 7, 2024 at 12:36 am, in the next thread:<br />
Here is a nice clip to celebrate by:  <a href="https://x.com/KTHopkins/status/1854090142274740657" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/KTHopkins/status/1854090142274740657</a></p>
<p>This is an example where I almost teared up at the end, very glad to see a women in the UK lauding our system and results in a strongly positive (and allied) way. Given the decline in free speech in the UK right now, I wonder if she is at some legal risk doing so.</p>
<p>I probably would not have reacted that way when younger.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R2L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 03:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Karmi, this may not apply to all men, but I noticed as I past the age of 65 I became more emotional in my response to feel good stories of heroism, generosity, and friendship. For no really valid reason, compared to my younger self, I would tear up. I had noticed a similar response from my father at a similar age.

I have not researched this but surmise that it reflects another hormonal change in life, analagous to the various episodes we experience at puberty, etc. However, it may not occur in everyone&#039;s life, or to such a noticable degree.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karmi, this may not apply to all men, but I noticed as I past the age of 65 I became more emotional in my response to feel good stories of heroism, generosity, and friendship. For no really valid reason, compared to my younger self, I would tear up. I had noticed a similar response from my father at a similar age.</p>
<p>I have not researched this but surmise that it reflects another hormonal change in life, analagous to the various episodes we experience at puberty, etc. However, it may not occur in everyone&#8217;s life, or to such a noticable degree.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/06/more-and-more-and-more-an-election-roundup/#comment-2770666</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2024 13:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ref (5) &lt;b&gt;MAGA MANBABY BLUBBERS LIKE A SISSY&lt;/b&gt; – !?!

Geez...humble me has seen poor progressive women (&lt;i&gt;and women in general&lt;/i&gt;) ridiculed here ‘n elsewhere—by REP men for “voting with their emotions.”

Anyway, I knew the Election topic was very ‘&lt;i&gt;Touchy&lt;/i&gt;’ as the election grew closer, but did not realize that many of you may have been suffering from the Bill Whittle’s ‘&lt;i&gt;Touchy-Feely&lt;/i&gt;’ syndrome… ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ref (5) <b>MAGA MANBABY BLUBBERS LIKE A SISSY</b> – !?!</p>
<p>Geez&#8230;humble me has seen poor progressive women (<i>and women in general</i>) ridiculed here ‘n elsewhere—by REP men for “voting with their emotions.”</p>
<p>Anyway, I knew the Election topic was very ‘<i>Touchy</i>’ as the election grew closer, but did not realize that many of you may have been suffering from the Bill Whittle’s ‘<i>Touchy-Feely</i>’ syndrome… 😉</p>
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		By: Mrs+Whatsit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2024 13:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope to goodness that J Merchan goes ahead with sentencing in the NY criminal case, so that Trump can appeal.  Right now the case is stuck -- Trump isn&#039;t, actually, a &quot;convicted felon&quot; yet, as there is no final judgment of conviction.  I don&#039;t want to see that case pardoned or dismissed or whatever.  I want an appellate court to get its hands on it and write down, clearly, for publication, what was wrong with it -- not just to clear Trump&#039;s name but also to rehabilitate the court itself.  I was pessimistic before about whether the First Department, Appellate Division could be trusted to do that but was encouraged by the common-sense, skeptical questions asked by that Court&#039;s judges in oral argument in the fraud case.  

Trump won&#039;t go to jail during his appeal, and wouldn&#039;t have even if he&#039;d lost the election.  It&#039;s ordinary practice in white-collar crime cases for the defendant&#039;s sentence to be suspended pending appeal.  

I heard theories floated that Biden might pardon Trump, along with Hunter, as a final F-U to the party that knifed him in the back.  I hope he doesn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope to goodness that J Merchan goes ahead with sentencing in the NY criminal case, so that Trump can appeal.  Right now the case is stuck &#8212; Trump isn&#8217;t, actually, a &#8220;convicted felon&#8221; yet, as there is no final judgment of conviction.  I don&#8217;t want to see that case pardoned or dismissed or whatever.  I want an appellate court to get its hands on it and write down, clearly, for publication, what was wrong with it &#8212; not just to clear Trump&#8217;s name but also to rehabilitate the court itself.  I was pessimistic before about whether the First Department, Appellate Division could be trusted to do that but was encouraged by the common-sense, skeptical questions asked by that Court&#8217;s judges in oral argument in the fraud case.  </p>
<p>Trump won&#8217;t go to jail during his appeal, and wouldn&#8217;t have even if he&#8217;d lost the election.  It&#8217;s ordinary practice in white-collar crime cases for the defendant&#8217;s sentence to be suspended pending appeal.  </p>
<p>I heard theories floated that Biden might pardon Trump, along with Hunter, as a final F-U to the party that knifed him in the back.  I hope he doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2024 13:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In a paid-only post from Racket News, Matt Taibbi reviews the reactions of the leftists, whom he calls a &quot;cult of mass political psychosis&quot; in an article titled, &quot;Giant Electoral Asteroid Strikes America&#039;s Intellectual Class, Which Fails To Notice.&quot; 

They&#039;re still sure the majority of voters are racists and sexists, and fail to understand the reasons the majority had for rejecting Obama/Biden/Harris.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a paid-only post from Racket News, Matt Taibbi reviews the reactions of the leftists, whom he calls a &#8220;cult of mass political psychosis&#8221; in an article titled, &#8220;Giant Electoral Asteroid Strikes America&#8217;s Intellectual Class, Which Fails To Notice.&#8221; </p>
<p>They&#8217;re still sure the majority of voters are racists and sexists, and fail to understand the reasons the majority had for rejecting Obama/Biden/Harris.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/11/06/more-and-more-and-more-an-election-roundup/#comment-2770659</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2024 11:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miranda Devine is entitled to her cheering in this post, but she is not entirely correct in some of her conclusions.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/opinion/voters-saw-through-the-lies-and-elected-donald-trump-as-the-47th-president-of-the-united-states/

&quot;But the beautiful thing about Election 2024 is that &lt;b&gt;most &lt;/b&gt;Americans woke up and saw through the lies.&quot;

No, only &lt;em&gt;enough&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt; of them did.

Harris still got 48% of the votes.
That&#039;s still too many.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miranda Devine is entitled to her cheering in this post, but she is not entirely correct in some of her conclusions.</p>
<p><a href="https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/opinion/voters-saw-through-the-lies-and-elected-donald-trump-as-the-47th-president-of-the-united-states/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/opinion/voters-saw-through-the-lies-and-elected-donald-trump-as-the-47th-president-of-the-united-states/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;But the beautiful thing about Election 2024 is that <b>most </b>Americans woke up and saw through the lies.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, only <em>enough</em><em> of them did.</p>
<p>Harris still got 48% of the votes.<br />
That&#8217;s still too many.</em></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2024 11:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an example of the kind of NR writer who is as clueless &#038; TDS-ridden as the Democrats.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-didnt-the-democrats-steal-it-this-time/
&quot;Why Didn’t the Democrats Steal It This Time?&quot;

Does he read anything other than the NYT and WaPo?

Anyone here can answer his question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an example of the kind of NR writer who is as clueless &amp; TDS-ridden as the Democrats.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-didnt-the-democrats-steal-it-this-time/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-didnt-the-democrats-steal-it-this-time/</a><br />
&#8220;Why Didn’t the Democrats Steal It This Time?&#8221;</p>
<p>Does he read anything other than the NYT and WaPo?</p>
<p>Anyone here can answer his question.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2024 11:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A good, but rambling, post by Jim Geraghty.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/democrats-get-a-wake-up-call-about-how-unpopular-their-agenda-really-is/

He is one of the few NR writers who didn&#039;t completely fall to TDS in 2016 or later.

IMO their &quot;Never Trump&quot; issue in 2016 only gave more grist to the Democrat mill, and their &quot;principled rejection&quot; only made it harder for Trump to get more Republicans to help him achieve the goals that NR always claimed to champion.

I will try to follow Whittle&#039;s request to be a &quot;good winner&quot; but it&#039;s harder with the people &quot;on your own side&quot; than with the opposition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good, but rambling, post by Jim Geraghty.<br />
<a href="https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/democrats-get-a-wake-up-call-about-how-unpopular-their-agenda-really-is/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/democrats-get-a-wake-up-call-about-how-unpopular-their-agenda-really-is/</a></p>
<p>He is one of the few NR writers who didn&#8217;t completely fall to TDS in 2016 or later.</p>
<p>IMO their &#8220;Never Trump&#8221; issue in 2016 only gave more grist to the Democrat mill, and their &#8220;principled rejection&#8221; only made it harder for Trump to get more Republicans to help him achieve the goals that NR always claimed to champion.</p>
<p>I will try to follow Whittle&#8217;s request to be a &#8220;good winner&#8221; but it&#8217;s harder with the people &#8220;on your own side&#8221; than with the opposition.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2024 10:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Paul Nachman &#062; &quot;I first became aware of Whittle from his October 27, 2008 piece at National Review Online, “Shame, Cubed” ...It’s still very much worth reading, being about Obama’s fundamental disdain for the American system as revealed in a then-just-unearthed Chicago radio interview from 2001, when he was a state senator.&quot;

Absolutely worth reading.
Whittle put together, in 2008, several of the situations that made me and others wary of an Obama presidency. 

The First Circle of Shame relates to the content of the interview Paul quoted. I vaguely remember reading about it, although not in Whittle&#039;s post, and wondering how any conservatives leaning toward voting for him, because &quot;it was time we had a black president,&quot; and reading that manifesto could continue to advocate for his election -- but some of them did.

Whittle: &lt;blockquote&gt;
If this does not frighten you — regardless of your political affiliation — then you deserve what this man will deliver with both houses of Congress, a filibuster-proof Senate, and, to quote Senator Obama again, “a righteous wind at our backs.”

That a man so clear in his understanding of the Constitution, and so opposed to the basic tenets it provides against tyranny and the abuse of power, can run for president of the United States is shameful enough. We’re just getting started.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Part of the problem is that a lot of people never saw that interview, or read about its portents as Whittle explained them.

The Second Circle of Shame is for the journalists who chose not to report on this old interview during Obama&#039;s campaign -- it was found by one person, acting alone, with no more resources than any of us have; not by the press, who instead concentrated their time and money on &quot;investigating&quot; Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber. 
 
One could say that Bill warned us about the &quot;fake news&quot; establishment 8 years before Trump did.

Whittle:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
We no longer have an independent, fair, investigative press. That is abundantly clear to everyone — even the press. It is just another of the facts that they refuse to report, because it does not suit them.
...
There is a special hell for you “journalists” out there, a hell made specifically for you narcissists and elitists who think you have the right to determine which information is passed on to the electorate and which is not.

That hell — your own personal hell — is a fiery lake of irrelevance, blinding clouds of obscurity, and burning, everlasting scorn.

You’ve earned it.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Some of Bill&#039;s emotion in the video Neo linked is due, perhaps, to the length of time it has taken for the press to get even a small down payment on that bill.

The Third Circle of Shame was partly a failed prediction and partly a prophetic lament: 
Whittle:
&lt;blockquote&gt;This discovery will hurt Obama much more than Joe the Plumber.
What will be left of my friend, and my friend’s family, I wonder, when the press is finished with them?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The interview&#039;s revelations, because they were ignored by what we know now as the Regime Media, didn&#039;t hurt Obama at all, other than to put up a warning sign for alert readers who found it at NR or some other way.

I don&#039;t know what happened to Bill&#039;s friend who broke that particular story, but we know all too well what happened, with increasing fury over the succeeding 16 years, to other people with similar temerity.

The Fourth Circle of Shame, which I take the liberty to append to Bill&#039;s essay, is that we had a president well on the way to redeeming us from the first three, and half of the country turned back to those Circles without a qualm.

We (speaking collectively and not personally) may have a reprieve from any Fifth Circle, if we don&#039;t waste the opportunity again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Paul Nachman &gt; &#8220;I first became aware of Whittle from his October 27, 2008 piece at National Review Online, “Shame, Cubed” &#8230;It’s still very much worth reading, being about Obama’s fundamental disdain for the American system as revealed in a then-just-unearthed Chicago radio interview from 2001, when he was a state senator.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely worth reading.<br />
Whittle put together, in 2008, several of the situations that made me and others wary of an Obama presidency. </p>
<p>The First Circle of Shame relates to the content of the interview Paul quoted. I vaguely remember reading about it, although not in Whittle&#8217;s post, and wondering how any conservatives leaning toward voting for him, because &#8220;it was time we had a black president,&#8221; and reading that manifesto could continue to advocate for his election &#8212; but some of them did.</p>
<p>Whittle: </p>
<blockquote><p>
If this does not frighten you — regardless of your political affiliation — then you deserve what this man will deliver with both houses of Congress, a filibuster-proof Senate, and, to quote Senator Obama again, “a righteous wind at our backs.”</p>
<p>That a man so clear in his understanding of the Constitution, and so opposed to the basic tenets it provides against tyranny and the abuse of power, can run for president of the United States is shameful enough. We’re just getting started.</p></blockquote>
<p>Part of the problem is that a lot of people never saw that interview, or read about its portents as Whittle explained them.</p>
<p>The Second Circle of Shame is for the journalists who chose not to report on this old interview during Obama&#8217;s campaign &#8212; it was found by one person, acting alone, with no more resources than any of us have; not by the press, who instead concentrated their time and money on &#8220;investigating&#8221; Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber. </p>
<p>One could say that Bill warned us about the &#8220;fake news&#8221; establishment 8 years before Trump did.</p>
<p>Whittle:</p>
<blockquote><p>
We no longer have an independent, fair, investigative press. That is abundantly clear to everyone — even the press. It is just another of the facts that they refuse to report, because it does not suit them.<br />
&#8230;<br />
There is a special hell for you “journalists” out there, a hell made specifically for you narcissists and elitists who think you have the right to determine which information is passed on to the electorate and which is not.</p>
<p>That hell — your own personal hell — is a fiery lake of irrelevance, blinding clouds of obscurity, and burning, everlasting scorn.</p>
<p>You’ve earned it.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Some of Bill&#8217;s emotion in the video Neo linked is due, perhaps, to the length of time it has taken for the press to get even a small down payment on that bill.</p>
<p>The Third Circle of Shame was partly a failed prediction and partly a prophetic lament:<br />
Whittle:</p>
<blockquote><p>This discovery will hurt Obama much more than Joe the Plumber.<br />
What will be left of my friend, and my friend’s family, I wonder, when the press is finished with them?
</p></blockquote>
<p>The interview&#8217;s revelations, because they were ignored by what we know now as the Regime Media, didn&#8217;t hurt Obama at all, other than to put up a warning sign for alert readers who found it at NR or some other way.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what happened to Bill&#8217;s friend who broke that particular story, but we know all too well what happened, with increasing fury over the succeeding 16 years, to other people with similar temerity.</p>
<p>The Fourth Circle of Shame, which I take the liberty to append to Bill&#8217;s essay, is that we had a president well on the way to redeeming us from the first three, and half of the country turned back to those Circles without a qualm.</p>
<p>We (speaking collectively and not personally) may have a reprieve from any Fifth Circle, if we don&#8217;t waste the opportunity again.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2024 10:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill Whittle&#039;s video was very moving.  
I don&#039;t know why Democrats always claim that conservatives don&#039;t have emotions and feelings.
We just don&#039;t let them over-rule our logic and reason.

&quot;The process worked --- I cry when things are beautiful.&quot; -- BW

Listen to the whole thing, especially the analogy at the end to rebuilding a derelict WW2 plane into an even better one, just like America after every crisis.

He came prepared, he said, to talk about being good losers, but spoke a lot about being good winners.
&quot;With malice toward none, with charity toward all.&quot;

Or as one commenter added, quoting Churchill:
@morridx
In War: Resolution,
In Defeat: Defiance,
In Victory: Magnanimity
In Peace: Good Will.

https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/proceedings/the-ties-that-bind/

I will add another quote from that paper that is so appropriate for this election (RTWT for other powerful &#038; topical observations):
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I am a child of the House of Commons. I was brought up in my father’s house to believe in democracy. ‘Trust the People” – that was the message… Therefore I have been in full harmony all of my life with the tides which have flowed on both sides of the Atlantic against privilege and monopoly and I have steered confidently towards the Gettysburg ideal of government of the people, by the people and for the people.’  In my country, as in yours,” he said, “public men are proud to be the servants of the State and would be ashamed to be its masters. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Whittle&#8217;s video was very moving.<br />
I don&#8217;t know why Democrats always claim that conservatives don&#8217;t have emotions and feelings.<br />
We just don&#8217;t let them over-rule our logic and reason.</p>
<p>&#8220;The process worked &#8212; I cry when things are beautiful.&#8221; &#8212; BW</p>
<p>Listen to the whole thing, especially the analogy at the end to rebuilding a derelict WW2 plane into an even better one, just like America after every crisis.</p>
<p>He came prepared, he said, to talk about being good losers, but spoke a lot about being good winners.<br />
&#8220;With malice toward none, with charity toward all.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or as one commenter added, quoting Churchill:<br />
@morridx<br />
In War: Resolution,<br />
In Defeat: Defiance,<br />
In Victory: Magnanimity<br />
In Peace: Good Will.</p>
<p><a href="https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/proceedings/the-ties-that-bind/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/proceedings/the-ties-that-bind/</a></p>
<p>I will add another quote from that paper that is so appropriate for this election (RTWT for other powerful &amp; topical observations):</p>
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I am a child of the House of Commons. I was brought up in my father’s house to believe in democracy. ‘Trust the People” – that was the message… Therefore I have been in full harmony all of my life with the tides which have flowed on both sides of the Atlantic against privilege and monopoly and I have steered confidently towards the Gettysburg ideal of government of the people, by the people and for the people.’  In my country, as in yours,” he said, “public men are proud to be the servants of the State and would be ashamed to be its masters.
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