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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/30/on-abortion-as-the-1-issue/#comment-2769633</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Nov 2024 03:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ David &#062; &quot;Related, this post at X about excessive fear of improbable events&quot;

Thanks for the link.
I&#039;ve seen books written over the years about the phenomenon of expending more time and money worrying about &#038; guarding against improbable events, than on the ones that are statistically more likely.
Reasons vary, but the &quot;if it saves one life&quot; group NEVER does any studies to find out how many lives are lost because of their rules.

And so many of the political and economic policies of the people in this group (IMO they overlap bigly with Democrats in general) are also internally contradictory. Save the Eagles! &#038; Build Wind Farms! is one such contradictory set of beliefs that too many &quot;environmentalists&quot; hold simultaneously, despite evidence of eagle deaths continuing to pile up -- pun intended.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David &gt; &#8220;Related, this post at X about excessive fear of improbable events&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for the link.<br />
I&#8217;ve seen books written over the years about the phenomenon of expending more time and money worrying about &amp; guarding against improbable events, than on the ones that are statistically more likely.<br />
Reasons vary, but the &#8220;if it saves one life&#8221; group NEVER does any studies to find out how many lives are lost because of their rules.</p>
<p>And so many of the political and economic policies of the people in this group (IMO they overlap bigly with Democrats in general) are also internally contradictory. Save the Eagles! &amp; Build Wind Farms! is one such contradictory set of beliefs that too many &#8220;environmentalists&#8221; hold simultaneously, despite evidence of eagle deaths continuing to pile up &#8212; pun intended.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/30/on-abortion-as-the-1-issue/#comment-2769623</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Nov 2024 02:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miguel and Karmi: on the FL constitution votes, I voted against 3 and 4 because I felt they were not wise to support, but also because these kinds of things should not be in a constitution where their later repeal is very difficult. They should be handled via normal legislation instead. Plus my copy of the issues flyer on the amendments (found via my FL House rep&#039;s email) indicated there were no legal restraints on these two amendments that would not allow simple legislation to address them.  Not sure how much out-of-state money was flooding in to promote these, but probably a lot.
I voted for or against a couple of the 1,2,5,6 set, but I was confused why a few of them supposedly had to be addressed via a state constitutional change rather than regular legislation.

I am under the impression that a proper constitution should really mostly address &quot;how&quot; a government is to operate, not so much on &quot;what&quot; it is allowed or compelled to do. Even where the US constitution follows that pattern fairly well, it already tops out at over 4000 words.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel and Karmi: on the FL constitution votes, I voted against 3 and 4 because I felt they were not wise to support, but also because these kinds of things should not be in a constitution where their later repeal is very difficult. They should be handled via normal legislation instead. Plus my copy of the issues flyer on the amendments (found via my FL House rep&#8217;s email) indicated there were no legal restraints on these two amendments that would not allow simple legislation to address them.  Not sure how much out-of-state money was flooding in to promote these, but probably a lot.<br />
I voted for or against a couple of the 1,2,5,6 set, but I was confused why a few of them supposedly had to be addressed via a state constitutional change rather than regular legislation.</p>
<p>I am under the impression that a proper constitution should really mostly address &#8220;how&#8221; a government is to operate, not so much on &#8220;what&#8221; it is allowed or compelled to do. Even where the US constitution follows that pattern fairly well, it already tops out at over 4000 words.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/30/on-abortion-as-the-1-issue/#comment-2769552</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2024 18:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah yes, the grand Prohibitoons! Let&#039;s grow &lt;b&gt;Uncle Sam&#039;s Big Ol&#039; Gov machine&lt;/b&gt;, make it gigantissimo, and set it loose on those reefer-lovers! Puff, puff, panic, and &lt;b&gt;BOOM&lt;/b&gt;—no more smoky-smokies! Just like the speakeasy days, but this time, it&#039;s all mellow-yellow greens they&#039;re after. Bigger rules, bigger locks, and just as many secret stashes waiting to be found. Nuthin’ says progress like makin’ smoke a crime n’ crankin&#039; up da G-men on da green leaf scene! Bigger da better, baby!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, the grand Prohibitoons! Let&#8217;s grow <b>Uncle Sam&#8217;s Big Ol&#8217; Gov machine</b>, make it gigantissimo, and set it loose on those reefer-lovers! Puff, puff, panic, and <b>BOOM</b>—no more smoky-smokies! Just like the speakeasy days, but this time, it&#8217;s all mellow-yellow greens they&#8217;re after. Bigger rules, bigger locks, and just as many secret stashes waiting to be found. Nuthin’ says progress like makin’ smoke a crime n’ crankin&#8217; up da G-men on da green leaf scene! Bigger da better, baby!</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2024 17:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[yes you understand it goes from &#039;love triumphs over hate&#039; to &#039;bake the cake, jack phillips has prevailed but probably at the cost of all his life savings, same with the demonic trangenderism, this heresy sponsored by criminal miscreants in part,

the drug legalization, that will lead to a irrational stoned populace, thats prop 3, down here, look at how oblivious people are in New York and California, as long as they have their lethe]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes you understand it goes from &#8216;love triumphs over hate&#8217; to &#8216;bake the cake, jack phillips has prevailed but probably at the cost of all his life savings, same with the demonic trangenderism, this heresy sponsored by criminal miscreants in part,</p>
<p>the drug legalization, that will lead to a irrational stoned populace, thats prop 3, down here, look at how oblivious people are in New York and California, as long as they have their lethe</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2024 17:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[miguel,

In your progression &quot;compliance&quot; should be &quot;participation.&quot; You must participate in their evil.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miguel,</p>
<p>In your progression &#8220;compliance&#8221; should be &#8220;participation.&#8221; You must participate in their evil.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2024 15:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[they aren&#039;t getting prosecuted in florida, or any other places

now in pennsylvania after many years they did prosecute gosnell but not after many women were butchered, 

remember their hat trick, we only want acceptance (of x or y practice), then tolerance, then whol e hearted approval,
then compliance,
not to go theological, but it explains more than conventional analyst,

You must worship the Beast, the Old Gods if you must,

so no it&#039;s not about humanitarian considerations at all
otherwise they wouldn&#039;t prosecute abortion protesters harsher than rioters and rapists]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they aren&#8217;t getting prosecuted in florida, or any other places</p>
<p>now in pennsylvania after many years they did prosecute gosnell but not after many women were butchered, </p>
<p>remember their hat trick, we only want acceptance (of x or y practice), then tolerance, then whol e hearted approval,<br />
then compliance,<br />
not to go theological, but it explains more than conventional analyst,</p>
<p>You must worship the Beast, the Old Gods if you must,</p>
<p>so no it&#8217;s not about humanitarian considerations at all<br />
otherwise they wouldn&#8217;t prosecute abortion protesters harsher than rioters and rapists</p>
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		By: David+Foster		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/30/on-abortion-as-the-1-issue/#comment-2769505</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2024 14:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan...&quot;I believe David was replying to Bauxite’s comment about fear of prosecution for participating in an abortion, but it applies equally well to the “having a baby is going to kill me” trope.&quot;  Both of the above, and more.

Related, this post at X about excessive fear of improbable events. The writer seems to see this as a strictly female phenomenon: I think it may be more common among women, but is not unique to them.

https://x.com/DrInsensitive/status/1852292346437648533]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan&#8230;&#8221;I believe David was replying to Bauxite’s comment about fear of prosecution for participating in an abortion, but it applies equally well to the “having a baby is going to kill me” trope.&#8221;  Both of the above, and more.</p>
<p>Related, this post at X about excessive fear of improbable events. The writer seems to see this as a strictly female phenomenon: I think it may be more common among women, but is not unique to them.</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/DrInsensitive/status/1852292346437648533" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/DrInsensitive/status/1852292346437648533</a></p>
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		By: Paolo Pagliaro		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/30/on-abortion-as-the-1-issue/#comment-2769497</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2024 10:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have four sons, and we lost other three during the pregnancy.
I think the real problem is precisely we live in a culture where pregnancy is approached so easily only, or primarily, as a hard choice. It did not use to be the case.
If I look at any of my sons I simply cannot think: &quot;We had the moral justification to possibly stop his life&quot;.
This does not mean the event is without difficulties, pain, fear and uncertainty: both me and my wife were without a job when our first child was born, and I experienced that this condition is deeply humiliating and cause of anxiety for a father. But in the end what makes the difference is the meaning - or mission - you discern in your life as a mother, as a husband and, above all, together.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have four sons, and we lost other three during the pregnancy.<br />
I think the real problem is precisely we live in a culture where pregnancy is approached so easily only, or primarily, as a hard choice. It did not use to be the case.<br />
If I look at any of my sons I simply cannot think: &#8220;We had the moral justification to possibly stop his life&#8221;.<br />
This does not mean the event is without difficulties, pain, fear and uncertainty: both me and my wife were without a job when our first child was born, and I experienced that this condition is deeply humiliating and cause of anxiety for a father. But in the end what makes the difference is the meaning &#8211; or mission &#8211; you discern in your life as a mother, as a husband and, above all, together.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/30/on-abortion-as-the-1-issue/#comment-2769473</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2024 04:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Mike Plaiss &#062; &quot;People who do become pregnant may dread each week of pregnancy instead of enjoying it. With therapy and extra support, this condition can be overcome.&quot;

If &lt;em&gt;some people&lt;/em&gt; would quit demonizing the &quot;parasite in the womb&quot; and start emphasizing the joys of parenthood, that might be all the therapy that&#039;s needed.
Society &lt;em&gt;used to&lt;/em&gt; support having babies, and that buttressed family support; not much &quot;extra&quot; support was needed when raising children was considered necessary and important.

There seems to me to be a logical inconsistency in simultaneously advocating the reduction of the population through abortion AND importing non-citizens because there aren&#039;t enough people to do the work.
Which is how you know that &quot;doing the work&quot; is NOT the driving agenda.

 as if one couldn&#039;t tell.

&quot;Tokophobia....I think I have it, and I don’t even have to worry about getting pregnant.&quot;

That was funny, but it&#039;s possible that, with so many people pretending that men-with-uteruses and women-with-penises exist, tokophobia is a rational response.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike Plaiss &gt; &#8220;People who do become pregnant may dread each week of pregnancy instead of enjoying it. With therapy and extra support, this condition can be overcome.&#8221;</p>
<p>If <em>some people</em> would quit demonizing the &#8220;parasite in the womb&#8221; and start emphasizing the joys of parenthood, that might be all the therapy that&#8217;s needed.<br />
Society <em>used to</em> support having babies, and that buttressed family support; not much &#8220;extra&#8221; support was needed when raising children was considered necessary and important.</p>
<p>There seems to me to be a logical inconsistency in simultaneously advocating the reduction of the population through abortion AND importing non-citizens because there aren&#8217;t enough people to do the work.<br />
Which is how you know that &#8220;doing the work&#8221; is NOT the driving agenda.</p>
<p> as if one couldn&#8217;t tell.</p>
<p>&#8220;Tokophobia&#8230;.I think I have it, and I don’t even have to worry about getting pregnant.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was funny, but it&#8217;s possible that, with so many people pretending that men-with-uteruses and women-with-penises exist, tokophobia is a rational response.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2024 03:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe David was replying to Bauxite&#039;s comment about fear of prosecution for participating in an abortion, but it applies equally well to the &quot;having a baby is going to kill me&quot; trope.

David+Foster on October 30, 2024 at 5:14 pm said:
I suspect that some of this is like the fear of airliner crashes…if someone has a sufficiently nightmarish scenario in their mind, arguments about how unlikely they are–even very solid arguments–are likely to fall on deaf ears.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe David was replying to Bauxite&#8217;s comment about fear of prosecution for participating in an abortion, but it applies equally well to the &#8220;having a baby is going to kill me&#8221; trope.</p>
<p>David+Foster on October 30, 2024 at 5:14 pm said:<br />
I suspect that some of this is like the fear of airliner crashes…if someone has a sufficiently nightmarish scenario in their mind, arguments about how unlikely they are–even very solid arguments–are likely to fall on deaf ears.</p>
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