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		By: Jim Brown		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/10/open-thread-10-10-2024/#comment-2766128</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2024 13:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brilliant fact based films like Ungentlemanly Warfare are the stuff dreams are made of. Reality like exploding pagers and walkie-talkies is leaving espionage fiction in the ashtray of history. Why not forget about fictional agents like Bond and Bourne dashing to save the world from disaster and forget about CIA and MI6 officers reclining on their couches dreaming up espionage scenarios to thrill you. Check out what a real MI6 and CIA secret agent does nowadays. Why not browse through TheBurlingtonFiles website and read about Bill Fairclough&#039;s escapades when he was an active MI6 and CIA agent? The website is rather like an espionage museum without an admission fee ... and no adverts. You will soon be immersed in a whole new world which you won&#039;t want to exit.  

After that experience you may not know who to trust so best read Beyond Enkription, the first novel in The Burlington Files series. It&#039;s a noir fact based spy thriller that may shock you. What is interesting is that this book is apparently mandatory reading in some countries’ intelligence agencies&#039; induction programs. Why? Maybe because the book is not only realistic but has been heralded by those who should know as “being up there with My Silent War by Kim Philby and No Other Choice by George Blake”. It is an enthralling read as long as you don’t expect fictional agents like Ian Fleming&#039;s incredible 007 to save the world or John le Carré’s couch potato yet illustrious Smiley to send you to sleep with his delicate diction, sophisticated syntax and placid plots!

See https://theburlingtonfiles.org/news_2023_06.07.php and https://theburlingtonfiles.org/news_2022.10.31.php and
https://theburlingtonfiles.org/news_2024.08.31.php.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant fact based films like Ungentlemanly Warfare are the stuff dreams are made of. Reality like exploding pagers and walkie-talkies is leaving espionage fiction in the ashtray of history. Why not forget about fictional agents like Bond and Bourne dashing to save the world from disaster and forget about CIA and MI6 officers reclining on their couches dreaming up espionage scenarios to thrill you. Check out what a real MI6 and CIA secret agent does nowadays. Why not browse through TheBurlingtonFiles website and read about Bill Fairclough&#8217;s escapades when he was an active MI6 and CIA agent? The website is rather like an espionage museum without an admission fee &#8230; and no adverts. You will soon be immersed in a whole new world which you won&#8217;t want to exit.  </p>
<p>After that experience you may not know who to trust so best read Beyond Enkription, the first novel in The Burlington Files series. It&#8217;s a noir fact based spy thriller that may shock you. What is interesting is that this book is apparently mandatory reading in some countries’ intelligence agencies&#8217; induction programs. Why? Maybe because the book is not only realistic but has been heralded by those who should know as “being up there with My Silent War by Kim Philby and No Other Choice by George Blake”. It is an enthralling read as long as you don’t expect fictional agents like Ian Fleming&#8217;s incredible 007 to save the world or John le Carré’s couch potato yet illustrious Smiley to send you to sleep with his delicate diction, sophisticated syntax and placid plots!</p>
<p>See <a href="https://theburlingtonfiles.org/news_2023_06.07.php" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theburlingtonfiles.org/news_2023_06.07.php</a> and <a href="https://theburlingtonfiles.org/news_2022.10.31.php" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theburlingtonfiles.org/news_2022.10.31.php</a> and<br />
<a href="https://theburlingtonfiles.org/news_2024.08.31.php" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theburlingtonfiles.org/news_2024.08.31.php</a>.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/10/open-thread-10-10-2024/#comment-2766117</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2024 11:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[UPDATE on &#039;&lt;i&gt;Lieutenant Dan&lt;/i&gt;&#039;:

Tale of Two &#039;&lt;i&gt;Lieutenant Dans&lt;/i&gt;&#039; - one challenges God, the other follows God. One helped Forrest Gump make the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company successful—then invests in &quot;some kind of fruit company&quot; (aka Apple Computers) which made Forrest &#038; himself rich for life, the other was poor as a church mouse. One followed The Rule of Law, the other:  

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13946755/hurricane-milton-lieutenant-dan-criminal-history-gofundme-joseph-malinowski.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&#039;Lieutenant Dan&#039;s&#039; criminal history revealed&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;blockquote&gt;The one-legged sailor who refused to leave his boat won hearts after 23-year-old student Terrence Concannon shared TikTok videos of his Hurricane Helene survival.

As his internet fame soared, Malinowski&#039;s convictions for assault and petty crime surfaced, along with his multiple mugshots throughout the years.

‘I went to prison, I did jail time, but I can tell you - I am innocent of all the charges!&#039; The sailor said of his criminal past.

&#039;I&#039;ve been charged with battery, I never even saw the cop. I went to prison for a year. But karma and god are real.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE on &#8216;<i>Lieutenant Dan</i>&#8216;:</p>
<p>Tale of Two &#8216;<i>Lieutenant Dans</i>&#8216; &#8211; one challenges God, the other follows God. One helped Forrest Gump make the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company successful—then invests in &#8220;some kind of fruit company&#8221; (aka Apple Computers) which made Forrest &amp; himself rich for life, the other was poor as a church mouse. One followed The Rule of Law, the other:  </p>
<p><a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13946755/hurricane-milton-lieutenant-dan-criminal-history-gofundme-joseph-malinowski.html" rel="nofollow ugc">&#8216;Lieutenant Dan&#8217;s&#8217; criminal history revealed</a> </p>
<blockquote><p>The one-legged sailor who refused to leave his boat won hearts after 23-year-old student Terrence Concannon shared TikTok videos of his Hurricane Helene survival.</p>
<p>As his internet fame soared, Malinowski&#8217;s convictions for assault and petty crime surfaced, along with his multiple mugshots throughout the years.</p>
<p>‘I went to prison, I did jail time, but I can tell you &#8211; I am innocent of all the charges!&#8217; The sailor said of his criminal past.</p>
<p>&#8216;I&#8217;ve been charged with battery, I never even saw the cop. I went to prison for a year. But karma and god are real.</p></blockquote>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/10/open-thread-10-10-2024/#comment-2766100</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2024 06:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are some Democrats open to changing their minds.
Not enough to outweigh the millions who aren&#039;t, but it&#039;s a start.

https://nypost.com/2024/10/10/media/progressive-journalist-unleashes-on-liberal-intolerance-that-drove-her-away-from-dem-party/
&lt;blockquote&gt; “The Young Turks” co-host Ana Kasparian explained what drove her to ditch the Democratic Party while on Jillian Michaels’ “Keeping It Real” podcast on Monday.

The progressive media host described feeling “politically homeless” over the past few years, as she started seeing an intolerance to debate and the free exchange of ideas as well as an embrace of soft-on-crime policies by the left that she believed were detrimental to society.

She ripped efforts to “demonize and even dehumanize the other side” while admitting she used to be a person who believed you could not be friends with conservatives or someone who supported former President Trump.

Both women said they identified with disaffected Democrats who now feel unwelcome in their former party.
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

The sidebar lists two similar stories as of this moment, and of course those link to more.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/democratic-operative-who-ditched-party-after-dnc-blasts-hypocrisy-i-dont-recognize-party-anymore

https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-california-democrat-turns-republican-kamala-harris-did-nothing-change-schools-california]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some Democrats open to changing their minds.<br />
Not enough to outweigh the millions who aren&#8217;t, but it&#8217;s a start.</p>
<p><a href="https://nypost.com/2024/10/10/media/progressive-journalist-unleashes-on-liberal-intolerance-that-drove-her-away-from-dem-party/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2024/10/10/media/progressive-journalist-unleashes-on-liberal-intolerance-that-drove-her-away-from-dem-party/</a></p>
<blockquote><p> “The Young Turks” co-host Ana Kasparian explained what drove her to ditch the Democratic Party while on Jillian Michaels’ “Keeping It Real” podcast on Monday.</p>
<p>The progressive media host described feeling “politically homeless” over the past few years, as she started seeing an intolerance to debate and the free exchange of ideas as well as an embrace of soft-on-crime policies by the left that she believed were detrimental to society.</p>
<p>She ripped efforts to “demonize and even dehumanize the other side” while admitting she used to be a person who believed you could not be friends with conservatives or someone who supported former President Trump.</p>
<p>Both women said they identified with disaffected Democrats who now feel unwelcome in their former party.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The sidebar lists two similar stories as of this moment, and of course those link to more.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.foxnews.com/media/democratic-operative-who-ditched-party-after-dnc-blasts-hypocrisy-i-dont-recognize-party-anymore" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.foxnews.com/media/democratic-operative-who-ditched-party-after-dnc-blasts-hypocrisy-i-dont-recognize-party-anymore</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-california-democrat-turns-republican-kamala-harris-did-nothing-change-schools-california" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-california-democrat-turns-republican-kamala-harris-did-nothing-change-schools-california</a></p>
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		By: Anne		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/10/open-thread-10-10-2024/#comment-2766092</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2024 04:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Neo--I learned to see more clearly!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Neo&#8211;I learned to see more clearly!</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/10/open-thread-10-10-2024/#comment-2766088</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2024 02:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;When Iran is finally free – and that moment will come a lot sooner than people think&lt;/b&gt; – everything will be different.  

--Benjamin Netanyahu&lt;/i&gt;
______________________

Whatever Israel has in mind, it will be big, a game-changer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>When Iran is finally free – and that moment will come a lot sooner than people think</b> – everything will be different.  </p>
<p>&#8211;Benjamin Netanyahu</i><br />
______________________</p>
<p>Whatever Israel has in mind, it will be big, a game-changer.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/10/open-thread-10-10-2024/#comment-2766086</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karmi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2024 02:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is Iran starting to ‘&lt;i&gt;Crack&lt;/i&gt;’?

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-update-october-10-2024&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Iran Update, October 10, 2024&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Iranian Foreign Affairs Minister Abbas Araghchi threatened senior Saudi officials, warning that the Axis of Resistance would attack Saudi energy assets and infrastructure if Saudi Arabia supports an Israeli attack on Iran, according to anonymous Iranian officials speaking to Reuters. Araghchi traveled to Riyadh on October 9 to discuss the October 7 War with senior Saudi officials. Araghchi said that Iran “sent a clear message” to Saudi Arabia that Iranian-backed Iraqi militias or the Houthis could “respond” if Saudi Arabia supports an Israeli attack. Reuters separately reported that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates have told the United States that they will deny Israel use of their respective airspaces to attack Iran, citing three unspecified Gulf sources. The sources added that the Gulf states are pushing the United States to prevent Israel from attacking Iranian energy assets or infrastructure because they fear that such an attack could trigger Iranian-backed attacks on them. Araghchi traveled to Doha following his one-day visit to Riyadh and met with Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim al Thani on October 10, presumably to convey a similar warning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Time to burn it all down?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Iran starting to ‘<i>Crack</i>’?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-update-october-10-2024" rel="nofollow ugc">Iran Update, October 10, 2024</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Iranian Foreign Affairs Minister Abbas Araghchi threatened senior Saudi officials, warning that the Axis of Resistance would attack Saudi energy assets and infrastructure if Saudi Arabia supports an Israeli attack on Iran, according to anonymous Iranian officials speaking to Reuters. Araghchi traveled to Riyadh on October 9 to discuss the October 7 War with senior Saudi officials. Araghchi said that Iran “sent a clear message” to Saudi Arabia that Iranian-backed Iraqi militias or the Houthis could “respond” if Saudi Arabia supports an Israeli attack. Reuters separately reported that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates have told the United States that they will deny Israel use of their respective airspaces to attack Iran, citing three unspecified Gulf sources. The sources added that the Gulf states are pushing the United States to prevent Israel from attacking Iranian energy assets or infrastructure because they fear that such an attack could trigger Iranian-backed attacks on them. Araghchi traveled to Doha following his one-day visit to Riyadh and met with Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim al Thani on October 10, presumably to convey a similar warning.</p></blockquote>
<p>Time to burn it all down?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/10/open-thread-10-10-2024/#comment-2766081</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2024 01:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: &quot;The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare&quot; -- the movie

AesopFan:

I&#039;ll watch anything Ritchie and more than once, except the Kabalistic &quot;Revolver&quot; which Guy Ritchie made under the influence of Madonna.

MUGW was good, but not great. I supposed it had a relationship to real history, but not as much as I&#039;m now discovering. Also to Ian Fleming, the author of the James Bond books:
____________________________________

&lt;i&gt;....Ian Fleming, who had been part of Gubbins&#039; inner circle during this time, would use Operation Postmaster [launched indirectly by Churchill] as the inspirational basis for his James Bond novels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_of_Ungentlemanly_Warfare&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare&#8221; &#8212; the movie</p>
<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll watch anything Ritchie and more than once, except the Kabalistic &#8220;Revolver&#8221; which Guy Ritchie made under the influence of Madonna.</p>
<p>MUGW was good, but not great. I supposed it had a relationship to real history, but not as much as I&#8217;m now discovering. Also to Ian Fleming, the author of the James Bond books:<br />
____________________________________</p>
<p><i>&#8230;.Ian Fleming, who had been part of Gubbins&#8217; inner circle during this time, would use Operation Postmaster [launched indirectly by Churchill] as the inspirational basis for his James Bond novels.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_of_Ungentlemanly_Warfare" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_of_Ungentlemanly_Warfare</a></i></p>
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		By: Wendy+Laubach		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/10/open-thread-10-10-2024/#comment-2766075</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy+Laubach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2024 01:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan--I&#039;m going to read the book and watch the movie!  Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan&#8211;I&#8217;m going to read the book and watch the movie!  Thanks.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/10/open-thread-10-10-2024/#comment-2766055</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2024 23:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Outside the box is exactly the ticket. Unimagined, unknown, unprepared for, undefended, unexpected, what&#039;s not to like? Might take time though, right? Or maybe, just maybe, that &quot;time&quot; has already been invested and stored up waiting to be released in a whip-snap of execution. All the better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outside the box is exactly the ticket. Unimagined, unknown, unprepared for, undefended, unexpected, what&#8217;s not to like? Might take time though, right? Or maybe, just maybe, that &#8220;time&#8221; has already been invested and stored up waiting to be released in a whip-snap of execution. All the better.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/10/open-thread-10-10-2024/#comment-2766051</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2024 22:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe Israel&#039;s Pager Division is already thinking outside the box.
Like these people in WW2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Executive

Their story was told in 2014 in a blockbuster historical book, &quot;Churchill&#039;s Secret Warriors&quot;; it goes by the name &quot;Churchill&#039;s Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare&quot; in the US.

I thought there was a lot of movie potential in the book when I read it last month.
So did other people!
However, I was thinking more of a year or two mini-series, there is THAT much to cover!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_of_Ungentlemanly_Warfare]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Israel&#8217;s Pager Division is already thinking outside the box.<br />
Like these people in WW2.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Executive" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Executive</a></p>
<p>Their story was told in 2014 in a blockbuster historical book, &#8220;Churchill&#8217;s Secret Warriors&#8221;; it goes by the name &#8220;Churchill&#8217;s Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare&#8221; in the US.</p>
<p>I thought there was a lot of movie potential in the book when I read it last month.<br />
So did other people!<br />
However, I was thinking more of a year or two mini-series, there is THAT much to cover!</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_of_Ungentlemanly_Warfare" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_of_Ungentlemanly_Warfare</a></p>
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