John+Guilfoyle on October 10, 2024 at 7:47 pm said:
“It’s pretty hard to be accepting of a belief system that dwells in falsehood and denial, and is rooted in violent aggression and conquest.”

Not to deny or down play anything being said here about Islam (esp. GB), but the history of Judaism and of Christianity has its violent elements, and many seem ignorant of them (or ignore them) as well. Now, they may have involved only 3 to 10% of their respective histories, vs. 85 to 95% for Islam [see for example Bill Warner: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0Uu4XnRS1hiz3JCpNFIuUg and maybe specifically this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZxScaEq2Ec [which also happens to have French subtitles; I couldn’t quickly find the YT for which I was looking totally in English. Enjoy this version, Huxley!!]

All three of them seem to have started with some political goals as well as religious ones. I was going to provide a few examples [which I may have mentioned previously] but I decided not to take this thread too far off of Islam.

Just how we “deMuslimize” or “de-Islamacize” ourselves or Europe is still a valid quandary.
Expanding knowledge of the ideas discussed herein is certainly part of it, but then we have to find the courage to separate the political aspects of the Islamic ideology from its [pretend? pretense of?] religious elements to avoid issues with the First Amendment. I don’t recall who was the first, but several have properly asserted that “the Constitution is not a suicide pact”. Political views and expressions that do not support the Constitution would seem to give us a way to remove such people.

Another avenue is to further promote the results of recent scholarship [from the last 30+ year’s?] showing that Islam and the Quran evolved out of Christian liturgical materials [as a fully man made book], that initially “Mecca” was probably Petrus, the Dome of the Rock was initially a Christian “temple”, etc. This will be resisted by most Muslims [and not a small number of Christians and Jews, I suspect] but is one path to undo the “voice and mind of Allah”, the historical existence of, or a different history about, Muhammad, etc.
And yet, as Neo has emphasized, a mind is a difficult thing to change.

Niloufar Ghazaleh and Mohammad Ali Moghimi’s legal troubles started over a year ago when Ghazaleh was stopped for mandatory hijab enforcement.

According to Shargh newspaper, things took a bizarre turn after police showed up at their workplace. Their lawyer, Milad Panahipour, explained that on October 4, 2023, police paid the couple a little visit at their workplace, which happens to be a recreational residence. Apparently, things got heated over an entry permit and some ID cards.

The very next day, the couple actually filed a petition with local residents backing them up, criticizing the police for their actions.

But instead of a “Thanks for your feedback,” they got slapped with a defamation case and their business got closed for good measure.

(You can’t criticize the government in a dictatorship.)

Oh, you thought it just ended there?
On top of that, Ghazaleh received

74 lashes for “insulting” a police officer

A fine of 240 million rials ($400) for “insulting” a conscript

74 lashes for “threatening” officers

One year in prison and 74 lashes for “disturbing public order”

And another two years in prison for “spreading false information”

Civil penalties for “misinformation” … sounds familiar!

“There’s no guarantee of free speech on misinformation or hate speech”: Walz
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(We haven’t even gotten to the pet cat yet.)

Her husband, Moghimi? Well, the poor guy gets two years in prison for the heinous crime of… “illegal removal of the closure seal.” And, drumroll, please — one more year for “threatening public health by keeping a cat.”

That’s right, their furry friend apparently posed such a menace to society that it warranted extra jail time.
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This entire saga, including the extreme and unjust punishments, all began last year when police stopped Ghazaleh for not correctly covering her hair while she was driving. What a nightmare.

You really can’t make this stuff up.

Then they need to get informed about reality, because they are not “being blamed” for participating in 10/7, but for celebrating those who did.

Oddly, a lot of people never think about who is asking them these questions or why, and what happens to their answers. The promise of anonymity is worth about as much as a promise by Facebook to keep your private information private.

Conservatives learned the hard way not to give honest answers to every person with a phone or a clipboard. That’s why honest pollsters have to weight replies to account for the, to coin a phrase, silent cohort.

And some respondents may not really believe it, anymore than most politicians and pundits believe that Trump (Bush, Reagan,…) were Hitler.

As many people on the right consistently point out: If Trump was Hitler, you’d be dead or in jail. You aren’t, so he isn’t.

Wendy Laubach has a good description of the Democrats who listen to those politicians and pundits. “Everyone knows” what Trump is, because they never, ever hear anything to the contrary from their “trusted sources” and if they do, don’t believe it.
https://www.thenewneo.com/2024/10/10/boris-johnson-on-trumps-foreign-policy/#comment-2766071

As a commenter at Sarah Hoyt’s blog put it recently, “Tip: If you dare to complain about it being a dictatorship, it isn’t.”
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2024/10/09/from-afar/#comment-993553

It’s odd that the Democrats never notice who doesn’t get to complain about dictatorial tyranny, especially censorship, without severe consequences.
Because the censorship works.

I question their numbers and I make no mistake in assuming such Muslims will moderate their co-religionists when it comes to forcing the rest of us to convert or be killed.

Moderate Muslims are moderate only in the sense that they won’t pull the triggers. And maybe they will feel bad if we are killed.

I recall an attempt by a moderate Muslim after 9-11 to stage a pro-America demo in some NYC square. Almost no Muslims showed up.

Pew Research states the as of 2023 there were 2.15 million Muslim adults in the US.

2.15M x .39% = 838,500 Muslim adults in the US “support having sharia law in the US”. As TommyJay correctly states, “sharia law is entirely antithetical to being a US citizen.”

It doesn’t take a seer to see where this will lead. In fact, Western Europe is already providing a preview… of where admission of peoples with antithetical ideologies leads.

Allah demands violence against any non-Muslim who refuses to convert and death for those non-Muslims who refuse to submit. A submission that demands the acceptance of henceforth having no rights whatsoever, not even a right to life.

It’s true that there are moderate Muslims (i.e. ‘Cafeteria Catholics’) but the fundamentalists hold the theological high ground because they are simply acting as Allah has commanded them to do, unambiguously written down over a hundred times in the ‘sacred’ Qur’an. And since Muhammad, the “last Prophet” and the “Perfect Man” repeatedly and consistently declared the Qur’an to be a direct transcription of Allah’s very words, not even one comma can be changed within it. For to do so would be to implicitly declare that Muhammad was either a liar or deluded. In either case, Islam’s theological foundations would collapse and that is why moderate Muslims will never steer Islam away from the abyss.

In 2012 a poll of Muslims was conducted by The Polling Company for the Center for Security Policy (CSP)…
“Nearly one-fifth of Muslim respondents said that the use of violence in the United States is justified in order to make shariah the law of the land in this country.
https://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Experience in the UK has shown that the second generation is more radicalized than the first immigrant generation and an even higher percentage of the third… but living in the land of the ‘Great Satan’… how could it be otherwise?