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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 13:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Karmi: After throwing out &quot;Apparently Trump and Obama may have agreed on not sending aid to Ukraine—to a degree, but I didn’t do any real research into that issue&quot;, you were asked several times by others if you were aware how much aid went to Ukraine under Trump, and you responded with another Dem smear about Trump. But now you know, and everyone knows you know, so I&#039;m sure you won&#039;t be repeating those smears about Trump again, right?

&lt;i&gt;Maybe, when you get your anger issue under control,  try to get one of your ex-students to help you understand &lt;/i&gt;

Tone trolling and personal attacks won&#039;t improve your credibility. Not repeating Dem smears and conspiracy theories might, eventually. This is teenager stuff you&#039;re doing, Karmi.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Karmi: After throwing out &#8220;Apparently Trump and Obama may have agreed on not sending aid to Ukraine—to a degree, but I didn’t do any real research into that issue&#8221;, you were asked several times by others if you were aware how much aid went to Ukraine under Trump, and you responded with another Dem smear about Trump. But now you know, and everyone knows you know, so I&#8217;m sure you won&#8217;t be repeating those smears about Trump again, right?</p>
<p><i>Maybe, when you get your anger issue under control,  try to get one of your ex-students to help you understand </i></p>
<p>Tone trolling and personal attacks won&#8217;t improve your credibility. Not repeating Dem smears and conspiracy theories might, eventually. This is teenager stuff you&#8217;re doing, Karmi.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/05/open-thead-10-4-2024/#comment-2765429</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 11:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates - I wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Long story short – &lt;b&gt;Trump did sell Ukraine some weapons&lt;/b&gt;…then he withheld giving them aid whilst trying to force Ukraine to rat out a political opponent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Never searched for HOW MUCH aid/loans was given to Ukraine under Trump...you even quoted the same thing, but still falsely assumed what I said. A habit of your, &lt;i&gt;it seems&lt;/i&gt;.

In that same comment, I had said earlier:
&lt;blockquote&gt;but I didn’t do any real research into that issue…maybe another time. &lt;b&gt;This for now&lt;/b&gt;:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not doing &quot;any real research&quot; was addressing an earlier comment in the thread, but added here that &quot;maybe another time.&quot; Then, ended with &quot;&lt;b&gt;This for now&lt;/b&gt;&quot;.

Perhaps being unable to recover from your anger issues causes you to resort to falsely claiming what I was saying, and border on name calling and insults.

The thread started (October 6, 2024 at 9:26 am) by &quot;research &#038; investigating…&quot; if Trump had asked Putin for advice on aiding Ukraine ... since you are unable to follow what I am saying, go back to that point and start over. Had also added links in that search - along with 4 questions to AI - and showed 2-Yes, 1-No, and 1-didn&#039;t do politics.

I then added:
&lt;blockquote&gt;OK…getting to be too long. &lt;b&gt;Maybe this is more DEM throwing out Oct surprises until one sticks&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe, when you get your anger issue under control, try to get one of your ex-students to help you understand what I am actually saying—instead of attempting to &#039;&lt;i&gt;Interpret&lt;/i&gt;&#039; it yourself...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niketas Choniates &#8211; I wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Long story short – <b>Trump did sell Ukraine some weapons</b>…then he withheld giving them aid whilst trying to force Ukraine to rat out a political opponent.</p></blockquote>
<p>Never searched for HOW MUCH aid/loans was given to Ukraine under Trump&#8230;you even quoted the same thing, but still falsely assumed what I said. A habit of your, <i>it seems</i>.</p>
<p>In that same comment, I had said earlier:</p>
<blockquote><p>but I didn’t do any real research into that issue…maybe another time. <b>This for now</b>:</p></blockquote>
<p>Not doing &#8220;any real research&#8221; was addressing an earlier comment in the thread, but added here that &#8220;maybe another time.&#8221; Then, ended with &#8220;<b>This for now</b>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Perhaps being unable to recover from your anger issues causes you to resort to falsely claiming what I was saying, and border on name calling and insults.</p>
<p>The thread started (October 6, 2024 at 9:26 am) by &#8220;research &amp; investigating…&#8221; if Trump had asked Putin for advice on aiding Ukraine &#8230; since you are unable to follow what I am saying, go back to that point and start over. Had also added links in that search &#8211; along with 4 questions to AI &#8211; and showed 2-Yes, 1-No, and 1-didn&#8217;t do politics.</p>
<p>I then added:</p>
<blockquote><p>OK…getting to be too long. <b>Maybe this is more DEM throwing out Oct surprises until one sticks</b>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe, when you get your anger issue under control, try to get one of your ex-students to help you understand what I am actually saying—instead of attempting to &#8216;<i>Interpret</i>&#8216; it yourself&#8230;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/05/open-thead-10-4-2024/#comment-2765413</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 06:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was looking for this post by Matt Taibbi, because he was on the ground in New Orleans after Katrina, and mentioned this man&#039;s refusal to leave his house because of a rumor about homes being bulldozed.

That may be the source of the same rumor circulating here and on other blogs about NC after Helene, because old internet stories never die -- they don&#039;t even fade away.
They just move to another venue.

https://www.thenewneo.com/2024/10/03/more-on-the-helene-aftermath/#comment-2764868

https://www.racket.news/p/transcript-america-this-week-october
(I&#039;m copying from my paid subscription, the link has a paywall before this excerpt).
&lt;blockquote&gt; Matt Taibbi: Because it was an absolutely horrific situation. There were inexcusable failures in terms of repairing the levies. They should have been ready for this kind of situation. When it did happen, there were-

Walter Kirn:  And there was a lot of conspiracy theory on the part of the black community about why they hadn’t been maintained.

Matt Taibbi: Right.

Walter Kirn:  And there was even a suggestion that this was a deliberate act of negligence that would inevitably result in these neighborhoods being harmed, and that was tolerated by the mainstream press, frankly. Those questions were allowed to be asked.

Matt Taibbi: So one of the things we were doing in Katrina was we were trying to help people get off roofs, or at least Sean [Penn] was, that was his raison d’etre. And we ran into a lot of people who were like, “Yeah, I’m not leaving.” We’d be like, “Dude, the water is on your second floor. How are you going to stay?” &lt;b&gt;And he’s like, “If I leave, they’re going to bulldoze this place.” &lt;/b&gt;And there was just this built-in mistrust of everything. There were people who didn’t want to eat the MREs that they were dropping on the houses and stuff like that. Who knows? Right? But most people were very glad for the help.

Walter Kirn:  Right.

Matt Taibbi: They went to the Superdome, then they went to the Astrodome in Houston, and there was a response. It took too long, but they eventually did clean up the place. &lt;b&gt;But it’s the lack of sympathy for people who live in the area, which seems to jump out this time around.&lt;/b&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking for this post by Matt Taibbi, because he was on the ground in New Orleans after Katrina, and mentioned this man&#8217;s refusal to leave his house because of a rumor about homes being bulldozed.</p>
<p>That may be the source of the same rumor circulating here and on other blogs about NC after Helene, because old internet stories never die &#8212; they don&#8217;t even fade away.<br />
They just move to another venue.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2024/10/03/more-on-the-helene-aftermath/#comment-2764868" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenewneo.com/2024/10/03/more-on-the-helene-aftermath/#comment-2764868</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.racket.news/p/transcript-america-this-week-october" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.racket.news/p/transcript-america-this-week-october</a><br />
(I&#8217;m copying from my paid subscription, the link has a paywall before this excerpt).</p>
<blockquote><p> Matt Taibbi: Because it was an absolutely horrific situation. There were inexcusable failures in terms of repairing the levies. They should have been ready for this kind of situation. When it did happen, there were-</p>
<p>Walter Kirn:  And there was a lot of conspiracy theory on the part of the black community about why they hadn’t been maintained.</p>
<p>Matt Taibbi: Right.</p>
<p>Walter Kirn:  And there was even a suggestion that this was a deliberate act of negligence that would inevitably result in these neighborhoods being harmed, and that was tolerated by the mainstream press, frankly. Those questions were allowed to be asked.</p>
<p>Matt Taibbi: So one of the things we were doing in Katrina was we were trying to help people get off roofs, or at least Sean [Penn] was, that was his raison d’etre. And we ran into a lot of people who were like, “Yeah, I’m not leaving.” We’d be like, “Dude, the water is on your second floor. How are you going to stay?” <b>And he’s like, “If I leave, they’re going to bulldoze this place.” </b>And there was just this built-in mistrust of everything. There were people who didn’t want to eat the MREs that they were dropping on the houses and stuff like that. Who knows? Right? But most people were very glad for the help.</p>
<p>Walter Kirn:  Right.</p>
<p>Matt Taibbi: They went to the Superdome, then they went to the Astrodome in Houston, and there was a response. It took too long, but they eventually did clean up the place. <b>But it’s the lack of sympathy for people who live in the area, which seems to jump out this time around.</b>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/05/open-thead-10-4-2024/#comment-2765412</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 06:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another bookmarked post, from when John Hayward was still writing as Doc Zero.
The situation hasn&#039;t changed much since the Democrats were re-installed in 2020, and again in 2022.

Some voters are wising up and finally connecting the dots, but probably not enough.
See Glenn Reynolds&#039; &quot;Schrodinger&#039;s Election.&quot; 
(h/t huxley on the Kamala thread, link repeated at the bottom).

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1305885658934906881.html
2020-09-15
&lt;blockquote&gt; The malignant legacy of Hurricane Katrina is that Democrats will deliberately abuse their positions in every imaginable manner, inflicting any number of horrors on their constituents, &lt;b&gt;if they think they can profit politically by blaming the damage on Republicans. &lt;/b&gt;
As with the Democrat mainstreaming of political violence, this is a trend you can only stop by slamming them hard at the ballot box. Why WOULDN&#039;T Dems from &quot;safe seats&quot; at the heart of one-party political machines think they can get away with abusing their constituents? 
We talk about &quot;accountability&quot; all the time, but there is no real accountability in political machines. Punishing individual politicians - which happens all too rarely - isn&#039;t enough &lt;b&gt;when the Party knows it can just drop another faithful apparatchik into the same spot. &lt;/b&gt;

Why are Democrats so enamored of criminals and foreign nationals, and so contemptuous of law-abiding American citizens? Easy: Because you LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT. They have no reason to fear you. You&#039;re produce to be farmed for money and power, not voters to be respected. 

It&#039;s not a coincidence that Democrat Party strongholds tend to be the most dangerous and punishing places for law-abiding citizens to live. Where the Party has absolute power, it will always weaponize incompetence, punish dissent, and create problems it can &quot;solve&quot; to its profit. 
The core Democrat ideology is about grievances, exploitation, &quot;social justice,&quot; and redistribution. They have to view the law-abiding and productive as selfish villains to rationalize taking what they have. They have no problem with hurting those people for political gain. 
&lt;b&gt;If the American people are foolish enough to reward them for this weaponized incompetence in November, then you&#039;ll get more of it, &lt;/b&gt;just like you&#039;ll get more political violence. They&#039;ll keep making you hurt as long as you let them blame it on their political enemies. /end 
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

https://instapundit.substack.com/p/schrodingers-election?r=9bg2k&#038;triedRedirect=true]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another bookmarked post, from when John Hayward was still writing as Doc Zero.<br />
The situation hasn&#8217;t changed much since the Democrats were re-installed in 2020, and again in 2022.</p>
<p>Some voters are wising up and finally connecting the dots, but probably not enough.<br />
See Glenn Reynolds&#8217; &#8220;Schrodinger&#8217;s Election.&#8221;<br />
(h/t huxley on the Kamala thread, link repeated at the bottom).</p>
<p><a href="https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1305885658934906881.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1305885658934906881.html</a><br />
2020-09-15</p>
<blockquote><p> The malignant legacy of Hurricane Katrina is that Democrats will deliberately abuse their positions in every imaginable manner, inflicting any number of horrors on their constituents, <b>if they think they can profit politically by blaming the damage on Republicans. </b><br />
As with the Democrat mainstreaming of political violence, this is a trend you can only stop by slamming them hard at the ballot box. Why WOULDN&#8217;T Dems from &#8220;safe seats&#8221; at the heart of one-party political machines think they can get away with abusing their constituents?<br />
We talk about &#8220;accountability&#8221; all the time, but there is no real accountability in political machines. Punishing individual politicians &#8211; which happens all too rarely &#8211; isn&#8217;t enough <b>when the Party knows it can just drop another faithful apparatchik into the same spot. </b></p>
<p>Why are Democrats so enamored of criminals and foreign nationals, and so contemptuous of law-abiding American citizens? Easy: Because you LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT. They have no reason to fear you. You&#8217;re produce to be farmed for money and power, not voters to be respected. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a coincidence that Democrat Party strongholds tend to be the most dangerous and punishing places for law-abiding citizens to live. Where the Party has absolute power, it will always weaponize incompetence, punish dissent, and create problems it can &#8220;solve&#8221; to its profit.<br />
The core Democrat ideology is about grievances, exploitation, &#8220;social justice,&#8221; and redistribution. They have to view the law-abiding and productive as selfish villains to rationalize taking what they have. They have no problem with hurting those people for political gain.<br />
<b>If the American people are foolish enough to reward them for this weaponized incompetence in November, then you&#8217;ll get more of it, </b>just like you&#8217;ll get more political violence. They&#8217;ll keep making you hurt as long as you let them blame it on their political enemies. /end
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<p><a href="https://instapundit.substack.com/p/schrodingers-election?r=9bg2k&#038;triedRedirect=true" rel="nofollow ugc">https://instapundit.substack.com/p/schrodingers-election?r=9bg2k&#038;triedRedirect=true</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/05/open-thead-10-4-2024/#comment-2765411</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 06:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was looking for something else and came up with this blast from the past.
FEMA is running true to form: it&#039;s deja vu all over again.

The agency should have been closed down years ago, but no bureaucracy once created is ever extinguished, because the staff becomes a vested interest and lobbies for increased power and funding with their donations and votes.
Need I remind anyone that the overwhelming majority of apparatchiks are Democrats, and have been for decades?
But Republicans, I fear, would be just as bad.
Pournelle&#039;s Iron Law of Bureaucracy rules.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/08/in_maui_locals_work_to_get_around_the_bureaucrats_roadblocks_on_aid.html
&lt;blockquote&gt; Information is sketchy, but it appears local efforts to help are being shut down, roadblocks are all over town, and only the feds and their longtime ally -- that&#039;s FEMA and the Red Cross -- are &quot;permitted&quot; providers of aid, according to reports.

This has prompted apparent scenes like this, of locals taking matters into their own hands:
...
Seems the government is not helping much, and the need is great. 

With a record like that, the government shouldn&#039;t be doing anything to stop local efforts to recover from the disaster. If they can&#039;t figure out quickly how to distinguish local efforts from bad actors, they need to turn this effort over to locals who can. A government that failed to protect the Maui people from fire has no business trying to interfere with their efforts to aid the needy and build themselves back.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking for something else and came up with this blast from the past.<br />
FEMA is running true to form: it&#8217;s deja vu all over again.</p>
<p>The agency should have been closed down years ago, but no bureaucracy once created is ever extinguished, because the staff becomes a vested interest and lobbies for increased power and funding with their donations and votes.<br />
Need I remind anyone that the overwhelming majority of apparatchiks are Democrats, and have been for decades?<br />
But Republicans, I fear, would be just as bad.<br />
Pournelle&#8217;s Iron Law of Bureaucracy rules.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/08/in_maui_locals_work_to_get_around_the_bureaucrats_roadblocks_on_aid.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/08/in_maui_locals_work_to_get_around_the_bureaucrats_roadblocks_on_aid.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p> Information is sketchy, but it appears local efforts to help are being shut down, roadblocks are all over town, and only the feds and their longtime ally &#8212; that&#8217;s FEMA and the Red Cross &#8212; are &#8220;permitted&#8221; providers of aid, according to reports.</p>
<p>This has prompted apparent scenes like this, of locals taking matters into their own hands:<br />
&#8230;<br />
Seems the government is not helping much, and the need is great. </p>
<p>With a record like that, the government shouldn&#8217;t be doing anything to stop local efforts to recover from the disaster. If they can&#8217;t figure out quickly how to distinguish local efforts from bad actors, they need to turn this effort over to locals who can. A government that failed to protect the Maui people from fire has no business trying to interfere with their efforts to aid the needy and build themselves back.
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 05:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There may be more posts about the FEMA fiasco, but I want to memorialize this one. And yes, that really is the name of the town. 
https://nypost.com/2024/10/06/us-news/fema-abandons-residents-of-devastated-nc-town-because-of-road-closed-sign/

&lt;blockquote&gt; BAT CAVE, North Carolina — Residents of a tiny North Carolina town that was almost totally destroyed by Hurricane Helene fending for themselves after FEMA told them that a “road closed” sign is an insurmountable obstacle for the agency to navigate.

“FEMA called me and told me they wanted to inspect my house then called me back to say they couldn’t drive around the ‘road closed’ sign. They weren’t allowed,” local Chelsea Atkins, 38, told The Post.

“You can drive it by car for sure, it’s not that bad, you just have to drive around the ‘road closed sign’. I explained that to them. They said they couldn’t,” she said, recounting her maddening exchange with the embattled federal agency.

Left to fend for themselves, Bat Cave residents banded together — opening the roads and starting the arduous work of cleanup and recovery. Residents told The Post that they don’t need FEMA now — and at this point, they don’t even want the disaster relief agency to come.
...
“The DOT’s been here, and random fire departments, like Kannapolis. They were great. But nobody’s been bringing in supplies except civilians,” she shared.

At this late stage in the recovery effort, Atkins said there are concerns FEMA showing up at this point could do more harm than good.

“It’s been a civilian-run operation since day one. You can’t ask the authorities for help — they’ll say you need to leave,” she said, calling Bat Cave a “country-boy can survive” kind of place.

“We’re handling it. Leave it to us and we’ll get it covered.”
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 


See this riff on the NYP story if you&#039;re into reading random tweets.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/10/06/tammy-bruce-fema-wont-pass-road-closed-sign-n2401842
&quot;The Babylon Bee couldn&#039;t even come up with this.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be more posts about the FEMA fiasco, but I want to memorialize this one. And yes, that really is the name of the town.<br />
<a href="https://nypost.com/2024/10/06/us-news/fema-abandons-residents-of-devastated-nc-town-because-of-road-closed-sign/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2024/10/06/us-news/fema-abandons-residents-of-devastated-nc-town-because-of-road-closed-sign/</a></p>
<blockquote><p> BAT CAVE, North Carolina — Residents of a tiny North Carolina town that was almost totally destroyed by Hurricane Helene fending for themselves after FEMA told them that a “road closed” sign is an insurmountable obstacle for the agency to navigate.</p>
<p>“FEMA called me and told me they wanted to inspect my house then called me back to say they couldn’t drive around the ‘road closed’ sign. They weren’t allowed,” local Chelsea Atkins, 38, told The Post.</p>
<p>“You can drive it by car for sure, it’s not that bad, you just have to drive around the ‘road closed sign’. I explained that to them. They said they couldn’t,” she said, recounting her maddening exchange with the embattled federal agency.</p>
<p>Left to fend for themselves, Bat Cave residents banded together — opening the roads and starting the arduous work of cleanup and recovery. Residents told The Post that they don’t need FEMA now — and at this point, they don’t even want the disaster relief agency to come.<br />
&#8230;<br />
“The DOT’s been here, and random fire departments, like Kannapolis. They were great. But nobody’s been bringing in supplies except civilians,” she shared.</p>
<p>At this late stage in the recovery effort, Atkins said there are concerns FEMA showing up at this point could do more harm than good.</p>
<p>“It’s been a civilian-run operation since day one. You can’t ask the authorities for help — they’ll say you need to leave,” she said, calling Bat Cave a “country-boy can survive” kind of place.</p>
<p>“We’re handling it. Leave it to us and we’ll get it covered.”
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<p>See this riff on the NYP story if you&#8217;re into reading random tweets.<br />
<a href="https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/10/06/tammy-bruce-fema-wont-pass-road-closed-sign-n2401842" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/10/06/tammy-bruce-fema-wont-pass-road-closed-sign-n2401842</a><br />
&#8220;The Babylon Bee couldn&#8217;t even come up with this.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Dax		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 03:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Berry was a wonderful musician. Also a pervert who put hidden cameras in ladies&#039; bathrooms. Seemed to have been an onery cuss. A friend of my brother made a pilgrimage to Berry&#039;s place in Missouri to pay homage to him, and Berry basically told him to f*** himself.

Saw Berry in 1970 playing a show with the Stones. He closed his show with [I forget which song], improvising &quot;blue&quot; lyrics. Pretty far out for the time; my friends &#038; I couldn&#039;t believe it. 

He must have &quot;duck walked&quot; at that show, although I don&#039;t remember specifically; I was rather high. Saw him do that many times on TV.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Berry was a wonderful musician. Also a pervert who put hidden cameras in ladies&#8217; bathrooms. Seemed to have been an onery cuss. A friend of my brother made a pilgrimage to Berry&#8217;s place in Missouri to pay homage to him, and Berry basically told him to f*** himself.</p>
<p>Saw Berry in 1970 playing a show with the Stones. He closed his show with [I forget which song], improvising &#8220;blue&#8221; lyrics. Pretty far out for the time; my friends &amp; I couldn&#8217;t believe it. </p>
<p>He must have &#8220;duck walked&#8221; at that show, although I don&#8217;t remember specifically; I was rather high. Saw him do that many times on TV.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 02:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Chuck Berry / Bee Gees

Here&#039;s one for neo, if she hasn&#039;t already been there -- a Rob Squad reaction to Chuck Berry and the Bee Gees live doing a Chuck Berry classic:

&lt;i&gt;--&quot;SPEECHLESS!&#124; FIRST TIME HEARING Chuck Berry &#038; The Bee Gees - Reelin&#039; And Rockin&#039; REACTION&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwEJj_1luUM&lt;/i&gt;

Aside from being a great time, I appreciated the Bee Gees&#039; homage to Chuck Berry. They never upstaged him. It was all about Chuck.

If you know Berry&#039;s story, he is the godfather of rock&#039;n&#039;roll and he had some sore points with white rockers taking over the genre. 

As much as Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones loved Berry and wanted to acknowledge him, Berry would barely talk to Richards.

Bee Gees must have really handled Chuck Berry with care. Good on them.

Beautiful.

RIP Chuck Berry (1926-2017)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Chuck Berry / Bee Gees</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one for neo, if she hasn&#8217;t already been there &#8212; a Rob Squad reaction to Chuck Berry and the Bee Gees live doing a Chuck Berry classic:</p>
<p><i>&#8211;&#8220;SPEECHLESS!| FIRST TIME HEARING Chuck Berry &amp; The Bee Gees &#8211; Reelin&#8217; And Rockin&#8217; REACTION&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwEJj_1luUM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwEJj_1luUM</a></i></p>
<p>Aside from being a great time, I appreciated the Bee Gees&#8217; homage to Chuck Berry. They never upstaged him. It was all about Chuck.</p>
<p>If you know Berry&#8217;s story, he is the godfather of rock&#8217;n&#8217;roll and he had some sore points with white rockers taking over the genre. </p>
<p>As much as Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones loved Berry and wanted to acknowledge him, Berry would barely talk to Richards.</p>
<p>Bee Gees must have really handled Chuck Berry with care. Good on them.</p>
<p>Beautiful.</p>
<p>RIP Chuck Berry (1926-2017)</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/05/open-thead-10-4-2024/#comment-2765399</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 02:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is Kermit being suckered or just ginding the harpoon for The Great Orange Whale?  

He has a smaller axe that he grinds for republicans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Kermit being suckered or just ginding the harpoon for The Great Orange Whale?  </p>
<p>He has a smaller axe that he grinds for republicans.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/05/open-thead-10-4-2024/#comment-2765394</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 01:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Karmi: &lt;i&gt;Long story short – Trump did sell Ukraine some weapons…then he withheld giving them aid whilst trying to force Ukraine to rat out a political opponent.&lt;/i&gt;

According to &lt;a href=&quot;https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Congressional Research Service&lt;/a&gt;, hundreds of millions in aid went to Ukraine in every year of Trump&#039;s presidency.

You&#039;re repeating another false narrative. Assuming you posted in good faith, they fooled you, the way they always do, by withholding facts from their narrative. You&#039;re getting suckered by looking for a Dem narrative to offset a GOP narrative instead of looking for your own facts. At some point you ought to learn the lesson, but maybe you prefer to be fooled.

See Table 3, Selected U.S. Security Assistance to Ukraine, FY2016-FY2024.

FY2017: $247.6 million
FY2018: $290.5 million
FY2019: $285.2 million
FY2020: $504.6 million

You were suckered by a source that only talked about one avenue of Ukraine funding worth $47 million. They left out, and you didn&#039;t bother to look for, any other.

Which is what they wanted. You were a perfectly predictable patsy for their propaganda. Again, assuming you post in good faith.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Karmi: <i>Long story short – Trump did sell Ukraine some weapons…then he withheld giving them aid whilst trying to force Ukraine to rat out a political opponent.</i></p>
<p>According to <a href="https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040" rel="nofollow ugc">Congressional Research Service</a>, hundreds of millions in aid went to Ukraine in every year of Trump&#8217;s presidency.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re repeating another false narrative. Assuming you posted in good faith, they fooled you, the way they always do, by withholding facts from their narrative. You&#8217;re getting suckered by looking for a Dem narrative to offset a GOP narrative instead of looking for your own facts. At some point you ought to learn the lesson, but maybe you prefer to be fooled.</p>
<p>See Table 3, Selected U.S. Security Assistance to Ukraine, FY2016-FY2024.</p>
<p>FY2017: $247.6 million<br />
FY2018: $290.5 million<br />
FY2019: $285.2 million<br />
FY2020: $504.6 million</p>
<p>You were suckered by a source that only talked about one avenue of Ukraine funding worth $47 million. They left out, and you didn&#8217;t bother to look for, any other.</p>
<p>Which is what they wanted. You were a perfectly predictable patsy for their propaganda. Again, assuming you post in good faith.</p>
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