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		By: R2L		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan on October 4, 2024 at 2:14 am
Thanks for the comments on the dock strike and ports being often non US owned.
Also adds to the border security issue as not just people, but goods with unknown additions (transmitters, mini explosives, etc.?) also crossing our &quot;border&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan on October 4, 2024 at 2:14 am<br />
Thanks for the comments on the dock strike and ports being often non US owned.<br />
Also adds to the border security issue as not just people, but goods with unknown additions (transmitters, mini explosives, etc.?) also crossing our &#8220;border&#8221;.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow on Pine:

That is quite a separate issue from what people are doing who post little vignettes on Instagram.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow on Pine:</p>
<p>That is quite a separate issue from what people are doing who post little vignettes on Instagram.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 19:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo--Isn&#039;t each one of our lives what we might call a &quot;performance,&quot; as we, first, craft a &quot;Persona&quot; to face the world and, then, &quot;act&quot; as we are moved to act by our particular Persona, age, sex, station, circumstance, and culture?

Isn&#039;t it very hard--almost impossible sometimes--to act contrary to the weight and momentum of our particular Persona, age, sex, station, circumstance, and culture?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo&#8211;Isn&#8217;t each one of our lives what we might call a &#8220;performance,&#8221; as we, first, craft a &#8220;Persona&#8221; to face the world and, then, &#8220;act&#8221; as we are moved to act by our particular Persona, age, sex, station, circumstance, and culture?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it very hard&#8211;almost impossible sometimes&#8211;to act contrary to the weight and momentum of our particular Persona, age, sex, station, circumstance, and culture?</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 17:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow on Pine:

People putting that stuff up on social media or YouTube are performing.  Maybe their whole lives are a kind of performance.  Plus, there were always some predatory women and predatory men.  The percentage of the population estimated to be nonviolent sociopaths varies from 1% to 5%, which is an awful lot of people (more men than women, by the way, but plenty in both sexes),  I wouldn&#039;t base much of anything on what you see online.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow on Pine:</p>
<p>People putting that stuff up on social media or YouTube are performing.  Maybe their whole lives are a kind of performance.  Plus, there were always some predatory women and predatory men.  The percentage of the population estimated to be nonviolent sociopaths varies from 1% to 5%, which is an awful lot of people (more men than women, by the way, but plenty in both sexes),  I wouldn&#8217;t base much of anything on what you see online.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 17:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.--You also see a lot of women (who usually seem to believe that they&#039;re all tens--not fives, sixes, and sevens--and thus worthy of a top of the line, male ten) saying that they ain&#039;t going on any &quot;coffee dates,&quot; or any dinner dates unless the restaurant is top notch.  

What this tells me is that--for these &quot;ladies&quot;--it&#039;s not about the possibility of finding someone, what it is, is, all about getting a free meal out of some man stupid or desperate enough to put up with these demands/conditions to get a &quot;date&quot; with these women.  

Somehow, I don&#039;t  think that this kind of mercenary attitude and behavior was as common among young women when I was growing up, as it apparently is today but, then, I don&#039;t think that a lot of women in those bygone days thought of men as being &quot;trash.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.&#8211;You also see a lot of women (who usually seem to believe that they&#8217;re all tens&#8211;not fives, sixes, and sevens&#8211;and thus worthy of a top of the line, male ten) saying that they ain&#8217;t going on any &#8220;coffee dates,&#8221; or any dinner dates unless the restaurant is top notch.  </p>
<p>What this tells me is that&#8211;for these &#8220;ladies&#8221;&#8211;it&#8217;s not about the possibility of finding someone, what it is, is, all about getting a free meal out of some man stupid or desperate enough to put up with these demands/conditions to get a &#8220;date&#8221; with these women.  </p>
<p>Somehow, I don&#8217;t  think that this kind of mercenary attitude and behavior was as common among young women when I was growing up, as it apparently is today but, then, I don&#8217;t think that a lot of women in those bygone days thought of men as being &#8220;trash.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 16:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On YouTube there are quite a few instances (presuming they’re legit and not staged) of dinner dates in which the woman brings along a friend or two and the man is supposed to pay for everyone’s meal or in one case when the guy went to the bathroom, at the end of the meal, his date had ordered three more entrees plus a dessert to go for her children, all this without consulting her date ( read sucker) and when he objected she said “he should “ be a man” and pay.

In a lot of these cases the man refuses and just walks out.  If this is common these days I can see why a lot of men are no longer interested in “dating.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On YouTube there are quite a few instances (presuming they’re legit and not staged) of dinner dates in which the woman brings along a friend or two and the man is supposed to pay for everyone’s meal or in one case when the guy went to the bathroom, at the end of the meal, his date had ordered three more entrees plus a dessert to go for her children, all this without consulting her date ( read sucker) and when he objected she said “he should “ be a man” and pay.</p>
<p>In a lot of these cases the man refuses and just walks out.  If this is common these days I can see why a lot of men are no longer interested in “dating.”</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 16:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[this is somewhat akin to Macron bemoaning the Algerian intervention that lasted 130 years, and yet france hasn&#039;t totally been able to disengage,

for the first century, Mexico pivoted between anti clerical classical regimes like that of Benito Juarez, (Mussolini was named after him) and Conservative authoritarians like Santa Ana and Porfirio Diaz, it is the former why we have the entire West Coast, because he was a bad warrior, then came the Revolution and the largely Marxist influenced PRI took charge for the better part of a century, one might call it Social Democracy, nationalization of key industries, among other aspects but done poorly

they had their own challenges to Marxism, from rebel groups like the ELZN but they largely crushed them,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is somewhat akin to Macron bemoaning the Algerian intervention that lasted 130 years, and yet france hasn&#8217;t totally been able to disengage,</p>
<p>for the first century, Mexico pivoted between anti clerical classical regimes like that of Benito Juarez, (Mussolini was named after him) and Conservative authoritarians like Santa Ana and Porfirio Diaz, it is the former why we have the entire West Coast, because he was a bad warrior, then came the Revolution and the largely Marxist influenced PRI took charge for the better part of a century, one might call it Social Democracy, nationalization of key industries, among other aspects but done poorly</p>
<p>they had their own challenges to Marxism, from rebel groups like the ELZN but they largely crushed them,</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 16:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Friday morning musing continued:
Oddly, that philosophy kind of puts me in tune with Kamala&#039;s campy meme, “What can be, unburdened by what has been.”
Although she uses the phrase to dodge responsibility for her past actions, including her inactions as veep, and it has well-documented Marxist roots, the sentiment itself has some validity as a psychological concept.

https://www.dailydot.com/memes/what-can-be-unburdened-by-what-has-been-meme/

The post is sympathetic to Harris, but it&#039;s a good history of her memetic character.

One tweet cited therein supposedly gotchas DeSantis, who is fictionally presented as saying, &quot;It&#039;s nonsensical. How can you be unburdened by what has been AND exist within the context?&quot; by having Harris reply, &quot;Ron, I thought Florida had coconut trees.&quot;
The answer circles back to another of her memetic catchphrases from 2023, &quot;You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?&quot; -- presumably in the family yard in Jamaica -- followed by &quot;You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.&quot;

The crux IMO is the &quot;unburdened&quot; part of the phrase.
Remember your roots, celebrate what is good, reject what is bad, and do what&#039;s needed right now.

As another memist put it, “God grant me the serenity to be unburdened by what has been, the courage to see what can be, and the wisdom to live in the context.”

The other important word is &quot;wisdom&quot; -- which is not much on display in Kamala&#039;s own context.

One more postscript: aside from the word salad speeches, much of what Harris says in her scripted remarks is, like Obama&#039;s, basically unobjectionable and sometimes commendatory (don&#039;t throw rocks, please). However, in the context of their policies, actions, and character, they are always wearing Iowahawkian skinsuits when they speak thusly.

A couple of the memes I liked from the dailydot post, the first referencing our own War of Independence, which quit burdening the US and the UK shortly after its conclusion:
https://uploads.dailydot.com/2024/07/what-can-be-unburdened-by-what-has-been-memes8.png?auto=compress&#038;fm=png

Kamala&#039;s favorite Venn diagram, referencing another of her meme-orialized classics:
https://x.com/arthcmr/status/1809009176993272269]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friday morning musing continued:<br />
Oddly, that philosophy kind of puts me in tune with Kamala&#8217;s campy meme, “What can be, unburdened by what has been.”<br />
Although she uses the phrase to dodge responsibility for her past actions, including her inactions as veep, and it has well-documented Marxist roots, the sentiment itself has some validity as a psychological concept.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.dailydot.com/memes/what-can-be-unburdened-by-what-has-been-meme/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dailydot.com/memes/what-can-be-unburdened-by-what-has-been-meme/</a></p>
<p>The post is sympathetic to Harris, but it&#8217;s a good history of her memetic character.</p>
<p>One tweet cited therein supposedly gotchas DeSantis, who is fictionally presented as saying, &#8220;It&#8217;s nonsensical. How can you be unburdened by what has been AND exist within the context?&#8221; by having Harris reply, &#8220;Ron, I thought Florida had coconut trees.&#8221;<br />
The answer circles back to another of her memetic catchphrases from 2023, &#8220;You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?&#8221; &#8212; presumably in the family yard in Jamaica &#8212; followed by &#8220;You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.&#8221;</p>
<p>The crux IMO is the &#8220;unburdened&#8221; part of the phrase.<br />
Remember your roots, celebrate what is good, reject what is bad, and do what&#8217;s needed right now.</p>
<p>As another memist put it, “God grant me the serenity to be unburdened by what has been, the courage to see what can be, and the wisdom to live in the context.”</p>
<p>The other important word is &#8220;wisdom&#8221; &#8212; which is not much on display in Kamala&#8217;s own context.</p>
<p>One more postscript: aside from the word salad speeches, much of what Harris says in her scripted remarks is, like Obama&#8217;s, basically unobjectionable and sometimes commendatory (don&#8217;t throw rocks, please). However, in the context of their policies, actions, and character, they are always wearing Iowahawkian skinsuits when they speak thusly.</p>
<p>A couple of the memes I liked from the dailydot post, the first referencing our own War of Independence, which quit burdening the US and the UK shortly after its conclusion:<br />
<a href="https://uploads.dailydot.com/2024/07/what-can-be-unburdened-by-what-has-been-memes8.png?auto=compress&#038;fm=png" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uploads.dailydot.com/2024/07/what-can-be-unburdened-by-what-has-been-memes8.png?auto=compress&#038;fm=png</a></p>
<p>Kamala&#8217;s favorite Venn diagram, referencing another of her meme-orialized classics:<br />
<a href="https://x.com/arthcmr/status/1809009176993272269" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/arthcmr/status/1809009176993272269</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 16:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Gringo &#062; &quot;Mexico has had 200 years to get it together.&quot;

The Mexican war of independence against Spain, formally concluded in 1821, seems to be a mixed bag of good and bad, not an unusual feature of wars.
https://www.history.com/topics/latin-america/struggle-for-mexican-independence

In that vein, a small personal rant:
Americans descended from slaves have had about 160 years to get it together counting from the Civil War. Granted, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a setback in many ways.  The Democrats of the South may have lost, but their ideological descendants have continued operating virtual plantations, which are not as overt as the physical ones but are just as crippling.

Americans of indigenous descent have started their recovery era comparatively recently, given that Reservation life and the Bureau of Indian Affairs extended the period of genuine oppression. However, the &quot;land acknowledgement&quot; theater of the Left is at least 200 years past its sell-by date. 
Losing wars has consequences, whether we like them or not.

(FWIW, I am as much an Indian as Liawatha Fauxcahontas Warren, having a quarter-blood Cherokee great-grandmother on my father&#039;s side; one AesopSon got her cheekbones, but I&#039;m Irish-Welsh all the way from the other side of the family.)

Muslims, especially those currently invading Europe, are still sore about losing the Battle of Vienna, which passed its 341st anniversary on 12 September, having been fought in 1683 between the Christian European states and the Ottomans, and won by Christians commanded by Polish king John III Sobieski.

Continually re-litigating ancient grievances is no way to improve anyone&#039;s life.
The history of Europe alone is replete with decades-long wars over which noble family (or church hierarchy) is going to oppress the peasants this time

We have enough recent and ongoing grievances to keep us busy.

Which is not to say that we shouldn&#039;t celebrate our national heritage, just that we shouldn&#039;t get bogged down by What Used to Be to the extent that we poison the well of What is Now.

&quot;Cymry byw!&quot; as my Welsh cousins say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gringo &gt; &#8220;Mexico has had 200 years to get it together.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Mexican war of independence against Spain, formally concluded in 1821, seems to be a mixed bag of good and bad, not an unusual feature of wars.<br />
<a href="https://www.history.com/topics/latin-america/struggle-for-mexican-independence" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.history.com/topics/latin-america/struggle-for-mexican-independence</a></p>
<p>In that vein, a small personal rant:<br />
Americans descended from slaves have had about 160 years to get it together counting from the Civil War. Granted, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a setback in many ways.  The Democrats of the South may have lost, but their ideological descendants have continued operating virtual plantations, which are not as overt as the physical ones but are just as crippling.</p>
<p>Americans of indigenous descent have started their recovery era comparatively recently, given that Reservation life and the Bureau of Indian Affairs extended the period of genuine oppression. However, the &#8220;land acknowledgement&#8221; theater of the Left is at least 200 years past its sell-by date.<br />
Losing wars has consequences, whether we like them or not.</p>
<p>(FWIW, I am as much an Indian as Liawatha Fauxcahontas Warren, having a quarter-blood Cherokee great-grandmother on my father&#8217;s side; one AesopSon got her cheekbones, but I&#8217;m Irish-Welsh all the way from the other side of the family.)</p>
<p>Muslims, especially those currently invading Europe, are still sore about losing the Battle of Vienna, which passed its 341st anniversary on 12 September, having been fought in 1683 between the Christian European states and the Ottomans, and won by Christians commanded by Polish king John III Sobieski.</p>
<p>Continually re-litigating ancient grievances is no way to improve anyone&#8217;s life.<br />
The history of Europe alone is replete with decades-long wars over which noble family (or church hierarchy) is going to oppress the peasants this time</p>
<p>We have enough recent and ongoing grievances to keep us busy.</p>
<p>Which is not to say that we shouldn&#8217;t celebrate our national heritage, just that we shouldn&#8217;t get bogged down by What Used to Be to the extent that we poison the well of What is Now.</p>
<p>&#8220;Cymry byw!&#8221; as my Welsh cousins say.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 13:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[About 60% of all divorces are initiated by wives, about 30% by husbands, and about 10% in some sort of joint filing.  In marriages with children, about 67% are initiated by wives.  It&#039;s an indicative metric.  It&#039;s not invalid or misleading, just something which requires elaboration.  
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You want dueling anecdotes, I&#039;ve seen three young men in our families treated to appalling behavior by the women they married.  The one mitigating factor was that none of the couples in question had yet had any children.  And you know what? People discuss this sort of thing as if it were a weather event.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 60% of all divorces are initiated by wives, about 30% by husbands, and about 10% in some sort of joint filing.  In marriages with children, about 67% are initiated by wives.  It&#8217;s an indicative metric.  It&#8217;s not invalid or misleading, just something which requires elaboration.<br />
==<br />
You want dueling anecdotes, I&#8217;ve seen three young men in our families treated to appalling behavior by the women they married.  The one mitigating factor was that none of the couples in question had yet had any children.  And you know what? People discuss this sort of thing as if it were a weather event.</p>
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