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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 23:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Hubert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 22:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan: another example was John Profumo in the UK. Got caught up in the call girl scandal, resigned from government, spent the rest of his life working for a charity in East London. Knighted in 1975.

What Robinson made me think of was the TV series &quot;Deadwood&quot; and the unlikely alliance between whoremaster and unrepentant murderer Al Swearengen (Ian McShane) and boy-scout sheriff Seth Bullock (Timothy Olyphant). It&#039;s arguably Swearengen who saves the town. And his lecture to the demoralized newspaper editor is a classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF8aIa3QOkU

I basically agree with your position on public figures but am more forgiving of--or simply less concerned about--sexual misbehavior than some of the commenters here as long as it involves consenting adults. A (mostly) clean private life is no guarantee of good stewardship--or even good character. Exhibit A: Obama, a nasty piece of work who seems to have been a pretty good husband and father, rumors of life on the down low notwithstanding.

Armchair punditry: hardly. Good to see you posting again, but I do hope you follow through on your post-mission resolution to take some time away from the screen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan: another example was John Profumo in the UK. Got caught up in the call girl scandal, resigned from government, spent the rest of his life working for a charity in East London. Knighted in 1975.</p>
<p>What Robinson made me think of was the TV series &#8220;Deadwood&#8221; and the unlikely alliance between whoremaster and unrepentant murderer Al Swearengen (Ian McShane) and boy-scout sheriff Seth Bullock (Timothy Olyphant). It&#8217;s arguably Swearengen who saves the town. And his lecture to the demoralized newspaper editor is a classic:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF8aIa3QOkU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF8aIa3QOkU</a></p>
<p>I basically agree with your position on public figures but am more forgiving of&#8211;or simply less concerned about&#8211;sexual misbehavior than some of the commenters here as long as it involves consenting adults. A (mostly) clean private life is no guarantee of good stewardship&#8211;or even good character. Exhibit A: Obama, a nasty piece of work who seems to have been a pretty good husband and father, rumors of life on the down low notwithstanding.</p>
<p>Armchair punditry: hardly. Good to see you posting again, but I do hope you follow through on your post-mission resolution to take some time away from the screen.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 15:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Allegedly 

What is goody two shoes cooper doing after mark appalachian sanford im not impressed same for josh steins former boss john edwards]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allegedly </p>
<p>What is goody two shoes cooper doing after mark appalachian sanford im not impressed same for josh steins former boss john edwards</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/10/02/open-thread-10-2-2024/#comment-2764672</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 15:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Hubert - it&#039;s a well-known religious phenomenon that the most blatant sinners, when converted, are often the most effective saints (Saul/Paul comes to mind as the archetype, but there are many others in Christian history, the majority having no public fame.)

I was ruminating along those lines this morning, although about politics rather than religion (state rather than church?), considering how &quot;the internet is forever&quot; and there are people who save decades-old videotapes just in case they can use them against somebody someday; how pundits willfully misinterpret anodyne phrases (&quot;binders of women&quot;), and bring up high-school peccadillos as evidence of deep moral turpitude; the list goes on -- and noted that, based on a thoroughly un-matched but not too small sample, there seem to me to be a lot more Republicans in politics who have turned their lives around morally and/or ideologically than there are Democrats. (Although I much appreciate the latter!)

And that doesn&#039;t even count the alleged indiscretions that turn out to be deliberate falsehoods. (If the standard of proof is &quot;anonymous sources in the NYT,&quot; I consider that a prima facie indication of fiction.)

But, going with the &quot;sad but true&quot; sample, this is my view: unless said youthful or even adult indiscretions involve irredeemable vice (child abuse, murder, and major white-collar crimes), if the person in question appears to have genuinely changed for the better, I will file the information for reference and look at &quot;What are they doing today?&quot; for whether or not to support them.
I put Trump, and now Robinson (on probation pending further information), in that corner.

If the bad behavior and damaging policy choices appear to be unrefuted and ongoing, then the misdeeds file remains &quot;active&quot; and the person stays on my do-not-support list.
That includes a frighteningly large number of prominent Democrats, along with an uncomfortably large smattering of Republicans, mostly in Congress and the Administrative Empire (it got past the size of a &quot;state&quot; long ago), but clearly including some Governors and other State officials.

Armchair punditry is worth what you paid for it, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Hubert &#8211; it&#8217;s a well-known religious phenomenon that the most blatant sinners, when converted, are often the most effective saints (Saul/Paul comes to mind as the archetype, but there are many others in Christian history, the majority having no public fame.)</p>
<p>I was ruminating along those lines this morning, although about politics rather than religion (state rather than church?), considering how &#8220;the internet is forever&#8221; and there are people who save decades-old videotapes just in case they can use them against somebody someday; how pundits willfully misinterpret anodyne phrases (&#8220;binders of women&#8221;), and bring up high-school peccadillos as evidence of deep moral turpitude; the list goes on &#8212; and noted that, based on a thoroughly un-matched but not too small sample, there seem to me to be a lot more Republicans in politics who have turned their lives around morally and/or ideologically than there are Democrats. (Although I much appreciate the latter!)</p>
<p>And that doesn&#8217;t even count the alleged indiscretions that turn out to be deliberate falsehoods. (If the standard of proof is &#8220;anonymous sources in the NYT,&#8221; I consider that a prima facie indication of fiction.)</p>
<p>But, going with the &#8220;sad but true&#8221; sample, this is my view: unless said youthful or even adult indiscretions involve irredeemable vice (child abuse, murder, and major white-collar crimes), if the person in question appears to have genuinely changed for the better, I will file the information for reference and look at &#8220;What are they doing today?&#8221; for whether or not to support them.<br />
I put Trump, and now Robinson (on probation pending further information), in that corner.</p>
<p>If the bad behavior and damaging policy choices appear to be unrefuted and ongoing, then the misdeeds file remains &#8220;active&#8221; and the person stays on my do-not-support list.<br />
That includes a frighteningly large number of prominent Democrats, along with an uncomfortably large smattering of Republicans, mostly in Congress and the Administrative Empire (it got past the size of a &#8220;state&#8221; long ago), but clearly including some Governors and other State officials.</p>
<p>Armchair punditry is worth what you paid for it, of course.</p>
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		By: Hubert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 12:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate (and AesopFan from the western North Carolina thread): it appears that Gov. Cooper is a big part of the problem:

https://instapundit.com/675902/

Reportedly, porn-site-frequenting Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson is stepping in to get things moving.

All this could be the usual finger-pointing and glory-hogging. But the moral of the story may be that sometimes it&#039;s the sinners--the cads, if you will--who come through.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate (and AesopFan from the western North Carolina thread): it appears that Gov. Cooper is a big part of the problem:</p>
<p><a href="https://instapundit.com/675902/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://instapundit.com/675902/</a></p>
<p>Reportedly, porn-site-frequenting Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson is stepping in to get things moving.</p>
<p>All this could be the usual finger-pointing and glory-hogging. But the moral of the story may be that sometimes it&#8217;s the sinners&#8211;the cads, if you will&#8211;who come through.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 05:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Matthew M &#062; &quot;Read this to fully appreciate the song&quot;

Thanks for linking Mark Steyn&#039;s post. That man knows literally everything about the history and musical structure of every song in the Great American Songbag (as he calls it).

I heartily recommend his book for reading off-line, and the whole of his on-line oeuvre. (The French is in honour of the song&#039;s lineage.)

The post is adapted from Mark&#039;s book A Song For The Season. 
https://www.steynstore.com/product57.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Matthew M &gt; &#8220;Read this to fully appreciate the song&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for linking Mark Steyn&#8217;s post. That man knows literally everything about the history and musical structure of every song in the Great American Songbag (as he calls it).</p>
<p>I heartily recommend his book for reading off-line, and the whole of his on-line oeuvre. (The French is in honour of the song&#8217;s lineage.)</p>
<p>The post is adapted from Mark&#8217;s book A Song For The Season.<br />
<a href="https://www.steynstore.com/product57.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.steynstore.com/product57.html</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 03:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gringo:

AI software is great at translation but usually has copyright limitations for the amount of text it will translate at a time.

There is something to be said for the simplicity of &quot;The Three Bells&quot; vs &quot;Les trois cloches.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gringo:</p>
<p>AI software is great at translation but usually has copyright limitations for the amount of text it will translate at a time.</p>
<p>There is something to be said for the simplicity of &#8220;The Three Bells&#8221; vs &#8220;Les trois cloches.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Chases Eagles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chases Eagles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 03:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My brother at one time had job with a rep in Olympia. One of the eye openers for him and the rep he worked for was the @#$&#038;&#038; dems refusing safety improvements on SR-2 because “those people always vote against taxes so f*** them.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother at one time had job with a rep in Olympia. One of the eye openers for him and the rep he worked for was the @#$&amp;&amp; dems refusing safety improvements on SR-2 because “those people always vote against taxes so f*** them.”</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 03:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley, the translation went slowly as the  software version I used would translate only 1,500 characters at a time. I got an idea of how the  book goes from the copy/paste of translation, and am now slowly reading it.

Given the lack of diaries etc., her work is definitely one of imagination. Not a biography, but an imagined one. 

Yes, the Tres Cloches lyrics are more involved than the Three Bells lyrics. Because the lyrics are in English, Three Bells affects me emotionally more than Tres Cloches.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley, the translation went slowly as the  software version I used would translate only 1,500 characters at a time. I got an idea of how the  book goes from the copy/paste of translation, and am now slowly reading it.</p>
<p>Given the lack of diaries etc., her work is definitely one of imagination. Not a biography, but an imagined one. </p>
<p>Yes, the Tres Cloches lyrics are more involved than the Three Bells lyrics. Because the lyrics are in English, Three Bells affects me emotionally more than Tres Cloches.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 03:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate,

My guess is there are a lot of people like your pastor but we&#039;re not hearing much of it due to the difficulty of getting news from the area. It&#039;s just a guess on my part, but we saw this with 9/11, the Joplin tornado even Katrina. As much of a cluster that the local government response was, individual people were flowing in from all over. I remember after 9/11 the news was encouraging people not to come because the volunteers were overwhelming the area and impacting efforts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate,</p>
<p>My guess is there are a lot of people like your pastor but we&#8217;re not hearing much of it due to the difficulty of getting news from the area. It&#8217;s just a guess on my part, but we saw this with 9/11, the Joplin tornado even Katrina. As much of a cluster that the local government response was, individual people were flowing in from all over. I remember after 9/11 the news was encouraging people not to come because the volunteers were overwhelming the area and impacting efforts.</p>
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