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		By: Richard+Aubrey		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Faked you guys into covering the story!&quot;
Not to be forgiven.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Faked you guys into covering the story!&#8221;<br />
Not to be forgiven.</p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[dafron (2:13 pm) said:  &quot;I find it rich that folks like commenter &#039;MJR&#039; are giving Haitians (and Haitian outcasts, at that) of all people the benefit of the doubt.&quot;

I&#039;m not doing that.  Trump put out there a pretty unusual claim, and from the start I have assumed a wait-and-see stance.

Because Trump&#039;s claim is unusual, at least within our western societal norms, I too am &quot;skeptical of any story concerning them,&quot; including acts of barbarity.  Heaven knows we&#039;ve seen plenty of that from other cultures over the past year -- not that our own culture is barbarian-free.

What I&#039;m seeing so far is that, except for one report of cat-barbecuing in a different city, from someone who hasn&#039;t seen the video he claims exists, the claim isn&#039;t holding up.  Have you got information I don&#039;t have?  If so, please share! -- it would be a key part of my waiting-and-seeing.

Anyway, I don&#039;t quite know how you&#039;re coming up with this benefit of the doubt business.  Maybe I don&#039;t need to know how . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dafron (2:13 pm) said:  &#8220;I find it rich that folks like commenter &#8216;MJR&#8217; are giving Haitians (and Haitian outcasts, at that) of all people the benefit of the doubt.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not doing that.  Trump put out there a pretty unusual claim, and from the start I have assumed a wait-and-see stance.</p>
<p>Because Trump&#8217;s claim is unusual, at least within our western societal norms, I too am &#8220;skeptical of any story concerning them,&#8221; including acts of barbarity.  Heaven knows we&#8217;ve seen plenty of that from other cultures over the past year &#8212; not that our own culture is barbarian-free.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m seeing so far is that, except for one report of cat-barbecuing in a different city, from someone who hasn&#8217;t seen the video he claims exists, the claim isn&#8217;t holding up.  Have you got information I don&#8217;t have?  If so, please share! &#8212; it would be a key part of my waiting-and-seeing.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t quite know how you&#8217;re coming up with this benefit of the doubt business.  Maybe I don&#8217;t need to know how . . .</p>
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		By: dafron		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find it rich that folks like commenter &quot;MJR&quot; are giving Haitians (and Haitian outcasts, at that) of all people the benefit of the doubt.  I might be skeptical of any story concerning them, but I certainly wouldn&#039;t point blank rule out any act of barbarity attributed to them.  In Xer defense, I suppose the Haitian revolution would be the last thing covered in schools these days, save for a monumental rewrite of the history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it rich that folks like commenter &#8220;MJR&#8221; are giving Haitians (and Haitian outcasts, at that) of all people the benefit of the doubt.  I might be skeptical of any story concerning them, but I certainly wouldn&#8217;t point blank rule out any act of barbarity attributed to them.  In Xer defense, I suppose the Haitian revolution would be the last thing covered in schools these days, save for a monumental rewrite of the history.</p>
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		By: Sailorcurt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2024 11:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t know much about Vance before this...never read the book nor saw the movie...but I have to say having seen him in action with the media several times now, he&#039;s impressive.

He&#039;s intelligent, articulate, witty and comes across as a very straight shooter.  He doesn&#039;t dissemble or avoid the question, he answers it, or explains why it was an illegitimate question.

He gets the media people he&#039;s talking to flustered instead of the other way around...which Trump does too, but in a very different way.  Trump is more of the &quot;dismiss the question out of hand&quot; kind of person than the &quot;explain why it is an illegitimate question&quot; kind of person.

This is a case in point.  I watched that video when it first came out.  The thing that struck me immediately was that he waited patiently, didn&#039;t interject or interrupt, while Bash pontificated her way through the &quot;question&quot; which basically consisted of a series of accusations.  He then started to respond, when she immediately interrupted him.  He was undaunted...he just kept talking over her, which I&#039;m sure she&#039;ll decry as &quot;mansplaining&quot; or something, but when it was her turn, he allowed her to finish without interrupting, so when she tried to interrupt him, he wasn&#039;t having it.  

Again, I was impressed.  He kept his cool, didn&#039;t veer off topic in response to her interruptions and said his piece in spite of her.  She ended up getting very flustered by his accurate observation that the media wouldn&#039;t even be covering this topic if it weren&#039;t for the controversy.

He hit a nerve with that point, thus the lies about what he said in a desperate attempt to deflect from his very valid point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know much about Vance before this&#8230;never read the book nor saw the movie&#8230;but I have to say having seen him in action with the media several times now, he&#8217;s impressive.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s intelligent, articulate, witty and comes across as a very straight shooter.  He doesn&#8217;t dissemble or avoid the question, he answers it, or explains why it was an illegitimate question.</p>
<p>He gets the media people he&#8217;s talking to flustered instead of the other way around&#8230;which Trump does too, but in a very different way.  Trump is more of the &#8220;dismiss the question out of hand&#8221; kind of person than the &#8220;explain why it is an illegitimate question&#8221; kind of person.</p>
<p>This is a case in point.  I watched that video when it first came out.  The thing that struck me immediately was that he waited patiently, didn&#8217;t interject or interrupt, while Bash pontificated her way through the &#8220;question&#8221; which basically consisted of a series of accusations.  He then started to respond, when she immediately interrupted him.  He was undaunted&#8230;he just kept talking over her, which I&#8217;m sure she&#8217;ll decry as &#8220;mansplaining&#8221; or something, but when it was her turn, he allowed her to finish without interrupting, so when she tried to interrupt him, he wasn&#8217;t having it.  </p>
<p>Again, I was impressed.  He kept his cool, didn&#8217;t veer off topic in response to her interruptions and said his piece in spite of her.  She ended up getting very flustered by his accurate observation that the media wouldn&#8217;t even be covering this topic if it weren&#8217;t for the controversy.</p>
<p>He hit a nerve with that point, thus the lies about what he said in a desperate attempt to deflect from his very valid point.</p>
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		By: MollyG		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2024 05:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I clicked over to read your post on Chris Hedges. Some years ago, when I was still a Northern California progressive, I heard him speak in Berkeley. Before that talk, I was an admirer. But as the talk progressed, with Hedges urging the audience to take it to the streets, it became clear that he himself intended to sit the revolution out. What a phony. With that disillusionment behind me, I am neither surprised nor disappointed to see Hedges blaming Israel for the Hamas-led atrocities of October 7 and accusing the IDF of genocide.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I clicked over to read your post on Chris Hedges. Some years ago, when I was still a Northern California progressive, I heard him speak in Berkeley. Before that talk, I was an admirer. But as the talk progressed, with Hedges urging the audience to take it to the streets, it became clear that he himself intended to sit the revolution out. What a phony. With that disillusionment behind me, I am neither surprised nor disappointed to see Hedges blaming Israel for the Hamas-led atrocities of October 7 and accusing the IDF of genocide.</p>
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		By: Mac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2024 04:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I appreciate your digging into this story. I read National Review and a good many of the comments there. There are a few left-wing commenters there who mainly just spew venom. One went on and on about how this is smoking-gun proof that Vance is a liar who simply and maliciously invented the story. I assumed that that was itself most likely a gross distortion at least, so didn&#039;t bother to dig out the truth. It&#039;s good to know that I was right. 

The person spewed her version multiple times, possibly in multiple threads (I can&#039;t remember now), without anyone actually countering with the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I appreciate your digging into this story. I read National Review and a good many of the comments there. There are a few left-wing commenters there who mainly just spew venom. One went on and on about how this is smoking-gun proof that Vance is a liar who simply and maliciously invented the story. I assumed that that was itself most likely a gross distortion at least, so didn&#8217;t bother to dig out the truth. It&#8217;s good to know that I was right. </p>
<p>The person spewed her version multiple times, possibly in multiple threads (I can&#8217;t remember now), without anyone actually countering with the truth.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2024 03:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Rufus:&lt;i&gt;How many of your co-workers know that Russia and Alaska are fewer than 3 miles apart at their closest point?&lt;/i&gt;

A lot of people have no idea where Alaska is, how large it is, or what it&#039;s near, based on how and where it&#039;s squeezed onto maps of the US.

But Alaska and Siberia constitute God&#039;s Demilitarized Zone, as there&#039;s about a 5000 mile gap in railways. I think you can move armies through there in Risk though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rufus:<i>How many of your co-workers know that Russia and Alaska are fewer than 3 miles apart at their closest point?</i></p>
<p>A lot of people have no idea where Alaska is, how large it is, or what it&#8217;s near, based on how and where it&#8217;s squeezed onto maps of the US.</p>
<p>But Alaska and Siberia constitute God&#8217;s Demilitarized Zone, as there&#8217;s about a 5000 mile gap in railways. I think you can move armies through there in Risk though.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2024 02:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[charles @ 5:53pm,

Yes, but I never even understood why that was supposed to demonstrate that Palin was dumb. How many of your co-workers know that Russia and Alaska are fewer than 3 miles apart at their closest point? Does Tina Fey?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Big Diomede in Russia and Little Diomede in the United States being only 2.4 miles apart.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>charles @ 5:53pm,</p>
<p>Yes, but I never even understood why that was supposed to demonstrate that Palin was dumb. How many of your co-workers know that Russia and Alaska are fewer than 3 miles apart at their closest point? Does Tina Fey?</p>
<blockquote><p>Big Diomede in Russia and Little Diomede in the United States being only 2.4 miles apart.</p></blockquote>
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		By: T J		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2024 00:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re physicsguy— sorry if you thought I was dissing you!
I agree that your original point made good sense. Hate is destructive — eventually. 

Instead, we avoid that “slow burn by DEMANDING JUSTICE! By calling out kill Trump faction and hold the lugen presse accountable for fomenting a climate of fear and hate. 

We are virtuous to hold their hate in DEMANDING ABEYANCE!

Over at pjmedia, a couple of columns have appeared on the Rasmussen survey. One is paywalls for VIPs subscribers. But it helpfully links to a piece by the sponsoring institution, the Napolitan Institute.

EXCERPT: 
That figure [17% of likely voters, over all] includes 28% of Democrats who say that America would have been better off if Trump had been assassinated. Another 24% of Democrats were not sure. Fewer than half (48%) of Democrats could bring themselves to say that America would not be better off if the opposing party’s candidate for president had been assassinated.

Scott Rasmussen, president of RMG Research, said “It is hard to imagine a greater threat to democracy than expressing a desire to have your political opponent murdered.”

Despite two assassination attempts in two months, just over half of all Democrats (51%) don’t see a need to increase Trump’s security detail. Among all voters, 62% think Trump’s security should be increased and 32% disagree.

Forty-nine percent (49%) of Democrats think it’s at least somewhat likely that Trump himself or the Trump campaign was involved with the assassination attempt, with 21% saying it was very likely. Fifty-two percent (52%) of Republicans think it’s at least somewhat likely that the Democratic Party or the Harris campaign was involved, with 28% saying it’s very likely.

These results are the latest evidence of how polarized the electorate has become this election season. Voters for both Trump and Harris overwhelmingly say they can’t understand how a reasonable person could vote for Trump or Harris.

https://napolitaninstitute.org/2024/09/18/17-say-america-would-be-better-off-if-trump-had-been-killed/

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Indeed, about the Truth he in  that last line: Trump is hateful! He MUSTI BE STOPPED! He IS Hitler! We normies think that’s all silly yet self-aggrandising lies. The Pretorian Guard Media kowtows to the Jacobins.

We face a conflict and polarisation that’s being manufactured. We are being divided so the Ruling Class can conquer ALL dissent.

THAT OUGHT TO MAKE EVERY AMERICAN STEAMING MAD!

(Of course, all of this has been persistently covered here at our hostess’ blog. Thank you very much!)

Reply to Ray: the effective Vance line: “Am I supposed to ignore the issues raised to me by my constituents?!” YES! 

D-Congressman Adam Schiff lied to EVERYONE for four years straight, and he’s gonna be rewarded with a US Senate seat. 

WHY DIDN’T CONGRESS EXPOSE AND  INVESTIGATE HIS CHRONIC LYING ASS?

AND WHY DIDNT’ THE Luger presse SHAME HIS FACE TO THE NATION?

Well, Pretorian Guards gotta herd the masses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re physicsguy— sorry if you thought I was dissing you!<br />
I agree that your original point made good sense. Hate is destructive — eventually. </p>
<p>Instead, we avoid that “slow burn by DEMANDING JUSTICE! By calling out kill Trump faction and hold the lugen presse accountable for fomenting a climate of fear and hate. </p>
<p>We are virtuous to hold their hate in DEMANDING ABEYANCE!</p>
<p>Over at pjmedia, a couple of columns have appeared on the Rasmussen survey. One is paywalls for VIPs subscribers. But it helpfully links to a piece by the sponsoring institution, the Napolitan Institute.</p>
<p>EXCERPT:<br />
That figure [17% of likely voters, over all] includes 28% of Democrats who say that America would have been better off if Trump had been assassinated. Another 24% of Democrats were not sure. Fewer than half (48%) of Democrats could bring themselves to say that America would not be better off if the opposing party’s candidate for president had been assassinated.</p>
<p>Scott Rasmussen, president of RMG Research, said “It is hard to imagine a greater threat to democracy than expressing a desire to have your political opponent murdered.”</p>
<p>Despite two assassination attempts in two months, just over half of all Democrats (51%) don’t see a need to increase Trump’s security detail. Among all voters, 62% think Trump’s security should be increased and 32% disagree.</p>
<p>Forty-nine percent (49%) of Democrats think it’s at least somewhat likely that Trump himself or the Trump campaign was involved with the assassination attempt, with 21% saying it was very likely. Fifty-two percent (52%) of Republicans think it’s at least somewhat likely that the Democratic Party or the Harris campaign was involved, with 28% saying it’s very likely.</p>
<p>These results are the latest evidence of how polarized the electorate has become this election season. Voters for both Trump and Harris overwhelmingly say they can’t understand how a reasonable person could vote for Trump or Harris.</p>
<p><a href="https://napolitaninstitute.org/2024/09/18/17-say-america-would-be-better-off-if-trump-had-been-killed/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://napolitaninstitute.org/2024/09/18/17-say-america-would-be-better-off-if-trump-had-been-killed/</a></p>
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<p>Indeed, about the Truth he in  that last line: Trump is hateful! He MUSTI BE STOPPED! He IS Hitler! We normies think that’s all silly yet self-aggrandising lies. The Pretorian Guard Media kowtows to the Jacobins.</p>
<p>We face a conflict and polarisation that’s being manufactured. We are being divided so the Ruling Class can conquer ALL dissent.</p>
<p>THAT OUGHT TO MAKE EVERY AMERICAN STEAMING MAD!</p>
<p>(Of course, all of this has been persistently covered here at our hostess’ blog. Thank you very much!)</p>
<p>Reply to Ray: the effective Vance line: “Am I supposed to ignore the issues raised to me by my constituents?!” YES! </p>
<p>D-Congressman Adam Schiff lied to EVERYONE for four years straight, and he’s gonna be rewarded with a US Senate seat. </p>
<p>WHY DIDN’T CONGRESS EXPOSE AND  INVESTIGATE HIS CHRONIC LYING ASS?</p>
<p>AND WHY DIDNT’ THE Luger presse SHAME HIS FACE TO THE NATION?</p>
<p>Well, Pretorian Guards gotta herd the masses.</p>
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		By: Ray+Van+Dune		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2024 00:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Best simple and effective Vance line: &quot;Am I supposed to ignore the issues raised to me by my constituents?!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best simple and effective Vance line: &#8220;Am I supposed to ignore the issues raised to me by my constituents?!&#8221;</p>
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