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		By: Richard+Aubrey		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan
Thanks for the info.  I asked the question elsewhere before reading this.

One possibility for some of the answers is that the guy scoped out a good hide, checked it for sight lines, concealment, and awaited notice.  But, still, that&#039;s twelve hours in which time you have to pee your pants while hoping your contact was correct.  Could have gotten an eight-hour nap and a Big Mac to go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan<br />
Thanks for the info.  I asked the question elsewhere before reading this.</p>
<p>One possibility for some of the answers is that the guy scoped out a good hide, checked it for sight lines, concealment, and awaited notice.  But, still, that&#8217;s twelve hours in which time you have to pee your pants while hoping your contact was correct.  Could have gotten an eight-hour nap and a Big Mac to go.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Richard Aubrey &#062; &quot;When did the shooter decide to take up his spot on the golf course and when did Trump decide to go golfing that day?&quot;

On the second question, I&#039;ve only seen reports that he decided late enough that it wasn&#039;t on any released schedule; however, it had to be early enough before-hand to contact his friends and get a tee-time (I&#039;ve seen speculation that other people were cancelled to make way for him &#038; security, but no news reports on that AFAIK), so it could have been anytime on Saturday or fairly early on Sunday morning.

On the first question, see this:
https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/alleged-shooter-hid-nearly-12-hours-secret-service-saw-him-golf-course-prosecutors
&lt;blockquote&gt;The cellphone of the alleged would-be assassin pinged on the edge of the Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Fla., &lt;b&gt;starting at 1:59 a.m. on Sunday&lt;/b&gt;, per the federal criminal complaint, The New York Post reported.

The Secret Service saw Routh&#039;s gun at 1:30 p.m., when he was about 300-500 yards away from Trump. Routh also had a video camera and two backpacks in the sniper&#039;s nest.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If Trump made the decision on Saturday sometime, even early in the morning, then how did Routh find out about it? He doesn&#039;t seem to be in the inner circle of Trump&#039;s golf buddies and the golf excursion was not on a publicly available schedule.

&lt;b&gt;If Trump made the decision Sunday, then Routh was already in place before the golf date was set up.&lt;/b&gt;
Precognition, however, doesn&#039;t seem to be something Routh is known for.

Why would he go out &quot;on a hunch&quot; at that hour of the morning, and take a huge amount of compromising gear and illegal weapons (for a felon), on the off chance Trump would be there sometime during the day?

Regardless of the time Trump&#039;s decision was made, and how Routh knew about it, 
&lt;b&gt;when did he plan all of this?&lt;/b&gt; His set-up was far too elaborate to be a spur of the moment operation, when he would have had less than 24 hours (from Saturday morning at the earliest) to pull it together.

My other question (and I am not alone):
How is it possible that nobody saw him lurking for 12 hours along the fence that was, apparently, close to public spaces?

Maybe it was dense enough brush that he couldn&#039;t be seen: how did he know that would be the case? How far in advance did he scope out the golf course?
Of course, there were fewer pedestrians and drivers on Sunday morning, but that&#039;s  a chancy thing to count on.
Did he never go to the bathroom or eat anything for 12 hours?
Did he just sit or lay there, waiting?
What if he had dozed off and missed Trump&#039;s time at those holes?
What was his plan if someone had seen him loitering, especially with a gun?

As for the security guard:
After the mockery of the Butler Protocol (&quot;we only shoot after the perp opens fire&quot;), the agent was right to respond to seeing a rifle barrel through the fence, but how did he see that it had a scope (assuming that report is correct), if the brush could hide Routh for 12 hours? 
If he actually could see the scope, he should be able to see Routh, or have a good idea where he was, so how come the USSS agent didn&#039;t hit him when he opened fire?
What if someone else, an innocent by-stander, had been in the area and had been hit by the agent&#039;s missed shot?

That&#039;s not the totality of the loose ends that any fiction writer (book or movie) would have to sew up while putting the plot in order.

None of this makes any more sense than the first assassin&#039;s &quot;lucky coincidences.&quot;
Except for him getting killed; that was unlucky.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Richard Aubrey &gt; &#8220;When did the shooter decide to take up his spot on the golf course and when did Trump decide to go golfing that day?&#8221;</p>
<p>On the second question, I&#8217;ve only seen reports that he decided late enough that it wasn&#8217;t on any released schedule; however, it had to be early enough before-hand to contact his friends and get a tee-time (I&#8217;ve seen speculation that other people were cancelled to make way for him &amp; security, but no news reports on that AFAIK), so it could have been anytime on Saturday or fairly early on Sunday morning.</p>
<p>On the first question, see this:<br />
<a href="https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/alleged-shooter-hid-nearly-12-hours-secret-service-saw-him-golf-course-prosecutors" rel="nofollow ugc">https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/alleged-shooter-hid-nearly-12-hours-secret-service-saw-him-golf-course-prosecutors</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The cellphone of the alleged would-be assassin pinged on the edge of the Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Fla., <b>starting at 1:59 a.m. on Sunday</b>, per the federal criminal complaint, The New York Post reported.</p>
<p>The Secret Service saw Routh&#8217;s gun at 1:30 p.m., when he was about 300-500 yards away from Trump. Routh also had a video camera and two backpacks in the sniper&#8217;s nest.
</p></blockquote>
<p>If Trump made the decision on Saturday sometime, even early in the morning, then how did Routh find out about it? He doesn&#8217;t seem to be in the inner circle of Trump&#8217;s golf buddies and the golf excursion was not on a publicly available schedule.</p>
<p><b>If Trump made the decision Sunday, then Routh was already in place before the golf date was set up.</b><br />
Precognition, however, doesn&#8217;t seem to be something Routh is known for.</p>
<p>Why would he go out &#8220;on a hunch&#8221; at that hour of the morning, and take a huge amount of compromising gear and illegal weapons (for a felon), on the off chance Trump would be there sometime during the day?</p>
<p>Regardless of the time Trump&#8217;s decision was made, and how Routh knew about it,<br />
<b>when did he plan all of this?</b> His set-up was far too elaborate to be a spur of the moment operation, when he would have had less than 24 hours (from Saturday morning at the earliest) to pull it together.</p>
<p>My other question (and I am not alone):<br />
How is it possible that nobody saw him lurking for 12 hours along the fence that was, apparently, close to public spaces?</p>
<p>Maybe it was dense enough brush that he couldn&#8217;t be seen: how did he know that would be the case? How far in advance did he scope out the golf course?<br />
Of course, there were fewer pedestrians and drivers on Sunday morning, but that&#8217;s  a chancy thing to count on.<br />
Did he never go to the bathroom or eat anything for 12 hours?<br />
Did he just sit or lay there, waiting?<br />
What if he had dozed off and missed Trump&#8217;s time at those holes?<br />
What was his plan if someone had seen him loitering, especially with a gun?</p>
<p>As for the security guard:<br />
After the mockery of the Butler Protocol (&#8220;we only shoot after the perp opens fire&#8221;), the agent was right to respond to seeing a rifle barrel through the fence, but how did he see that it had a scope (assuming that report is correct), if the brush could hide Routh for 12 hours?<br />
If he actually could see the scope, he should be able to see Routh, or have a good idea where he was, so how come the USSS agent didn&#8217;t hit him when he opened fire?<br />
What if someone else, an innocent by-stander, had been in the area and had been hit by the agent&#8217;s missed shot?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the totality of the loose ends that any fiction writer (book or movie) would have to sew up while putting the plot in order.</p>
<p>None of this makes any more sense than the first assassin&#8217;s &#8220;lucky coincidences.&#8221;<br />
Except for him getting killed; that was unlucky.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Time frame;  When did the shooter decide to take up his spot on the golf course and when did Trump decide to go golfing that day?
IOW, why bother with the golf course if you don&#039;t know Trump is going to be using it?  Hang out there all day, go home and try again next day?
Got somebody on the inside?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time frame;  When did the shooter decide to take up his spot on the golf course and when did Trump decide to go golfing that day?<br />
IOW, why bother with the golf course if you don&#8217;t know Trump is going to be using it?  Hang out there all day, go home and try again next day?<br />
Got somebody on the inside?</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.S.--Incredibly, there are some new reports that the second would be assassin had created his &quot;hide&quot; in the bushes, and had been able to stay there, undetected, for a reported 12 hours.  

Perimeter patrols anybody?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.S.&#8211;Incredibly, there are some new reports that the second would be assassin had created his &#8220;hide&#8221; in the bushes, and had been able to stay there, undetected, for a reported 12 hours.  </p>
<p>Perimeter patrols anybody?</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.  I should perhaps mention that the law enforcement official who made the statement, referenced above at 3:50, is reportedly an elected official, and a Democrat. 

Which explains the tenor of his dismissive statement i.e. of course such a &quot;candidate&quot; as ex-President Trump did not merit a full security detail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  I should perhaps mention that the law enforcement official who made the statement, referenced above at 3:50, is reportedly an elected official, and a Democrat. </p>
<p>Which explains the tenor of his dismissive statement i.e. of course such a &#8220;candidate&#8221; as ex-President Trump did not merit a full security detail.</p>
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		By: Hubert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Addendum: the uncle of a Cuban-American friend was a pilot at the Bay of Pigs. The CIA issued my friend&#039;s uncle a .45 1911A1 pistol with the serial number removed (but the &quot;U.S. Government Property&quot; stamp intact!). My friend inherited the pistol from his uncle and had to apply to the BATF to get a serial number issued for it. There was some awkwardness about his having had an illegal firearm in his possession. Fortunately, he&#039;s a lawyer and knew how to navigate the paperwork.

OK, done with the firearms stuff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum: the uncle of a Cuban-American friend was a pilot at the Bay of Pigs. The CIA issued my friend&#8217;s uncle a .45 1911A1 pistol with the serial number removed (but the &#8220;U.S. Government Property&#8221; stamp intact!). My friend inherited the pistol from his uncle and had to apply to the BATF to get a serial number issued for it. There was some awkwardness about his having had an illegal firearm in his possession. Fortunately, he&#8217;s a lawyer and knew how to navigate the paperwork.</p>
<p>OK, done with the firearms stuff.</p>
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		By: Hubert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay: it&#039;s a guess. Hard to tell from the photo, but it doesn&#039;t look like an AK or even an SKS. By the way, James Hodgkinson used an SKS to shoot Steve Scalise and the other attendees at the Congressional baseball game in Alexandria, VA in 2017.

Steve: the RPK is a light machine gun on the Kalashnikov action. It also shoots the 7.62x39 intermediate round. As you say, not suited for sniping. I&#039;ve shot the 7.62x54 round in a Soviet SVT-40 and a couple of Finnish Mosin-Nagant rifles. It&#039;s a slammer--and very accurate in the right rifle.

Yes, Dragunovs have been used in Ukraine. Routh may have come across them there. I read somewhere (the indictment?) that he has been charged with owning/using a firearm that had the serial number removed--a felony even if he had possessed the rifle legally, which he didn&#039;t. Add that sinister little factoid to the ceramic bullet-proof vests and the GoPro camera, and this business has a nasty whiff of professionalism about it. I&#039;m not saying Routh is a pro; I&#039;m saying he may have had help or guidance from one. Given Routh&#039;s connections, possibly Ukrainian. Again, speculation on my part. I hope the Florida investigation is thorough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay: it&#8217;s a guess. Hard to tell from the photo, but it doesn&#8217;t look like an AK or even an SKS. By the way, James Hodgkinson used an SKS to shoot Steve Scalise and the other attendees at the Congressional baseball game in Alexandria, VA in 2017.</p>
<p>Steve: the RPK is a light machine gun on the Kalashnikov action. It also shoots the 7.62&#215;39 intermediate round. As you say, not suited for sniping. I&#8217;ve shot the 7.62&#215;54 round in a Soviet SVT-40 and a couple of Finnish Mosin-Nagant rifles. It&#8217;s a slammer&#8211;and very accurate in the right rifle.</p>
<p>Yes, Dragunovs have been used in Ukraine. Routh may have come across them there. I read somewhere (the indictment?) that he has been charged with owning/using a firearm that had the serial number removed&#8211;a felony even if he had possessed the rifle legally, which he didn&#8217;t. Add that sinister little factoid to the ceramic bullet-proof vests and the GoPro camera, and this business has a nasty whiff of professionalism about it. I&#8217;m not saying Routh is a pro; I&#8217;m saying he may have had help or guidance from one. Given Routh&#8217;s connections, possibly Ukrainian. Again, speculation on my part. I hope the Florida investigation is thorough.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In a press conference the head of the local police force, explaining why Trump didn’t have a lot of security, said that he was just a “candidate,” and as such he didn’t merit the kind of robust security force that a President did.

It should be very obvious, by now, that Trump’s enemies within the Biden Administration are denying Trump the very robust security he so obviously needs, in the hope that he will be killed; the huge threat he represents swept off the board.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a press conference the head of the local police force, explaining why Trump didn’t have a lot of security, said that he was just a “candidate,” and as such he didn’t merit the kind of robust security force that a President did.</p>
<p>It should be very obvious, by now, that Trump’s enemies within the Biden Administration are denying Trump the very robust security he so obviously needs, in the hope that he will be killed; the huge threat he represents swept off the board.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Aren’t there laws against “incitement”?&lt;/i&gt;
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In a free society, they only apply to those riling up a crowd.  In progtrash society, they apply to Republicans in every conceivable circumstance and never to Democrats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Aren’t there laws against “incitement”?</i><br />
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In a free society, they only apply to those riling up a crowd.  In progtrash society, they apply to Republicans in every conceivable circumstance and never to Democrats.</p>
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		By: Cap'n Rusty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An agent saw a rifle barrel sticking through the fence. How far away from the rifle barrel was the agent? Given all the foliage, it would be difficult to see at any great distance. Was the barrel horizontal at the time the agent saw it, meaning Routh was then holding it? In which case, one would think that the agent would have been able to estimate where to aim when he fired at Routh. Or was it at an angle, as shown in the picture in the Daily Mail article, which means Routh had placed it in that position before leaving the scene, which would be quite fastidious if he was being shot at by the agent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An agent saw a rifle barrel sticking through the fence. How far away from the rifle barrel was the agent? Given all the foliage, it would be difficult to see at any great distance. Was the barrel horizontal at the time the agent saw it, meaning Routh was then holding it? In which case, one would think that the agent would have been able to estimate where to aim when he fired at Routh. Or was it at an angle, as shown in the picture in the Daily Mail article, which means Routh had placed it in that position before leaving the scene, which would be quite fastidious if he was being shot at by the agent.</p>
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