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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another video about the Haitians in Springfield.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ_q7DFeucY]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another video about the Haitians in Springfield.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ_q7DFeucY" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ_q7DFeucY</a></p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/09/13/haiti-comes-to-springfield-and-venezuela-comes-to-aurora/#comment-2761543</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2024 23:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Six minutes of Springfield locals beseeching the city council to do something.
https://youtu.be/ImSlcxvDz4Q?si=dIxtjKOlx1eY6GX8]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Six minutes of Springfield locals beseeching the city council to do something.<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/ImSlcxvDz4Q?si=dIxtjKOlx1eY6GX8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/ImSlcxvDz4Q?si=dIxtjKOlx1eY6GX8</a></p>
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		By: Gordon Scott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Twin Cities has had two waves of foreign immigrants and a continuing wave of domestic immigrants.  The latter started when Gov.Wendell Anderson used a surplus to jack up welfare spending, in the 1970s. Critics said it would draw the wrong sorts from Chicago, Gary and Detroit. 

No, said Anderson.  We will have a rule. If you come from a state with lower benefits, you collect at that rate for 5 years. That lasted about 15 minutes until a judge said, &quot;14th Amendment.&quot; To this day folks on Chicago&#039;s south side talk about Minnesota&#039;s streets being paved with gold. That&#039;s what I heard with my own ears. 

The Hmong came in the late 70s. Lots of cultural issues, some resemblance to Springfield (harvesting everything that moved for protein). But Hmong work hard and were accepted.  Some tendency to exploit language barriers to rip off government programs. 

The Somali started coming in the 90s. Initially well liked, hard working, polite. But the culture depends on the tribe, clan and subclan structure. That is not happening here. And as often so, the kids of the immigrants go out of control. The parents have no idea what to do because the clan always enforced behavior.

And they have figured out how to exploit government handouts at a much greater rate than the Hmong ever did. Polygamy.

Both groups loathe the other. Somali don&#039;t mix with American blacks. And with law enforcement not happening in the Cities, Minneapolis is rapidly becoming unliveable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Twin Cities has had two waves of foreign immigrants and a continuing wave of domestic immigrants.  The latter started when Gov.Wendell Anderson used a surplus to jack up welfare spending, in the 1970s. Critics said it would draw the wrong sorts from Chicago, Gary and Detroit. </p>
<p>No, said Anderson.  We will have a rule. If you come from a state with lower benefits, you collect at that rate for 5 years. That lasted about 15 minutes until a judge said, &#8220;14th Amendment.&#8221; To this day folks on Chicago&#8217;s south side talk about Minnesota&#8217;s streets being paved with gold. That&#8217;s what I heard with my own ears. </p>
<p>The Hmong came in the late 70s. Lots of cultural issues, some resemblance to Springfield (harvesting everything that moved for protein). But Hmong work hard and were accepted.  Some tendency to exploit language barriers to rip off government programs. </p>
<p>The Somali started coming in the 90s. Initially well liked, hard working, polite. But the culture depends on the tribe, clan and subclan structure. That is not happening here. And as often so, the kids of the immigrants go out of control. The parents have no idea what to do because the clan always enforced behavior.</p>
<p>And they have figured out how to exploit government handouts at a much greater rate than the Hmong ever did. Polygamy.</p>
<p>Both groups loathe the other. Somali don&#8217;t mix with American blacks. And with law enforcement not happening in the Cities, Minneapolis is rapidly becoming unliveable.</p>
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		By: RigelDog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RigelDog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2024 17:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don’t have them at hand but I have seen reports that essentially the same process as used by the federal government in bringing the Venezuelans to Colorado was used to flood Springfield with thousands of Haitians over the past year or two. Federal money used to incentivize businesses to hire and rental and food subsidies to enable the settlers which also has the effect of enabling employers to offer lower wages. We are now seeing the resettlement of these Haitians touted as having revitalized the local economy, which leads to the observation that the feeds could have just used this money to revitalize and improve the lives of those already living there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t have them at hand but I have seen reports that essentially the same process as used by the federal government in bringing the Venezuelans to Colorado was used to flood Springfield with thousands of Haitians over the past year or two. Federal money used to incentivize businesses to hire and rental and food subsidies to enable the settlers which also has the effect of enabling employers to offer lower wages. We are now seeing the resettlement of these Haitians touted as having revitalized the local economy, which leads to the observation that the feeds could have just used this money to revitalize and improve the lives of those already living there.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[remember as with many things, &#039;its not happening, but it&#039;s good that it is&#039;
https://x.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1834975211583610936

once in accident, two is coincidence, three is enemy action,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remember as with many things, &#8216;its not happening, but it&#8217;s good that it is&#8217;<br />
<a href="https://x.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1834975211583610936" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1834975211583610936</a></p>
<p>once in accident, two is coincidence, three is enemy action,</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, Christopher Rufo found, and found supporting evidence for, a story from 2023 from nearby Dayton, Ohio, of an African immigrant cooking a cat on an outside grill. And a report has been found of a woman finding a decapitated animal in a Springfield park, a possible voodoo sacrifice. Rufo points out that recent as-yet unassimilated immigrants from African or Afro-Caribbean cultures may very well look for food sources which assimilated Americans consider unsuitable, especially if they are living on public support and need meat for dinner.

https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-cat-eaters-of-ohio]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Christopher Rufo found, and found supporting evidence for, a story from 2023 from nearby Dayton, Ohio, of an African immigrant cooking a cat on an outside grill. And a report has been found of a woman finding a decapitated animal in a Springfield park, a possible voodoo sacrifice. Rufo points out that recent as-yet unassimilated immigrants from African or Afro-Caribbean cultures may very well look for food sources which assimilated Americans consider unsuitable, especially if they are living on public support and need meat for dinner.</p>
<p><a href="https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-cat-eaters-of-ohio" rel="nofollow ugc">https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-cat-eaters-of-ohio</a></p>
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		By: Abraxas		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/09/13/haiti-comes-to-springfield-and-venezuela-comes-to-aurora/#comment-2761460</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abraxas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2024 15:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &quot;eating cats&quot; story most likely came from Canton, Ohio, where an unbalanced American-born woman has been accused of eating a cat.  The &quot;Haitians eating geese from the parks&quot; story is more supported by the facts.

The media system &quot;worked.&quot;  Trump said something that may not have been literally true, the media pointed that out, and now Trump supporters are embarassed.  But the larger truth Trump described is lost and attempts to dig it up will be met with jeers about cat-eating.  The media is not going to have to acknowledge anything about mass illegal migration and its effects, and the many lies Biden and Harris tell don&#039;t get the &quot;fact checks&quot; that the cat-eating story has received.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;eating cats&#8221; story most likely came from Canton, Ohio, where an unbalanced American-born woman has been accused of eating a cat.  The &#8220;Haitians eating geese from the parks&#8221; story is more supported by the facts.</p>
<p>The media system &#8220;worked.&#8221;  Trump said something that may not have been literally true, the media pointed that out, and now Trump supporters are embarassed.  But the larger truth Trump described is lost and attempts to dig it up will be met with jeers about cat-eating.  The media is not going to have to acknowledge anything about mass illegal migration and its effects, and the many lies Biden and Harris tell don&#8217;t get the &#8220;fact checks&#8221; that the cat-eating story has received.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/09/13/haiti-comes-to-springfield-and-venezuela-comes-to-aurora/#comment-2761442</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2024 11:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is an NGO in western Michigan which does some of that work, mostly through a consortium of churches.
In our town, Nepali refugees from Bhutan were sponsored.  Been maybe seventeen years.  They&#039;ve done very well.  Working, no crime, some have started a restaurant.
My wife and I tutored two of them through, iirc, their sophomore year (except math, what are they teaching these days?).
They&#039;re naturalized, their kids are good little dudes.
Good citizens.
But...takes two things.  People who have certain values coming here, and a lot of work from the locals.
Such as hit Springfield do not guarantee the first, nor allow for the second.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an NGO in western Michigan which does some of that work, mostly through a consortium of churches.<br />
In our town, Nepali refugees from Bhutan were sponsored.  Been maybe seventeen years.  They&#8217;ve done very well.  Working, no crime, some have started a restaurant.<br />
My wife and I tutored two of them through, iirc, their sophomore year (except math, what are they teaching these days?).<br />
They&#8217;re naturalized, their kids are good little dudes.<br />
Good citizens.<br />
But&#8230;takes two things.  People who have certain values coming here, and a lot of work from the locals.<br />
Such as hit Springfield do not guarantee the first, nor allow for the second.</p>
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		By: F		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2024 10:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate, JJ and Aggie have all touched on an issue that is pretty much ignored by people analyzing the immigrant problem in the USA: the role of Non Government Organizations (NGOs) in resettling immigrant populations.  It is something that some enterprising journalist should look at.

When the government hands out large sums of money, as both Obama and Biden did in abundance, cities turn to NGOs to address things like immigrant housing, healthcare, education etc.  The badly-named Inflation Reduction Act was a huge influx of money with hazy goals.  The press has turned up examples of IRA money building bicycle paths and golf courses.  A lot of it has gone to NGOs that address immigrant issues.  And some of those NGOs have looked at this influx of cash and thought they should get involved for the money they could make out of it.  Where there&#039;s money, a need will occur to make us of it -- and obviously to profit.

Google generates a list of NGOs in Springfield that includes a lot of the standard ones like food banks and churches, which I&#039;m glad to see.  They also list others like Think Tank, Inc., whose mission is &quot;To work with social service organizations to assess, develop, and implement creative strategies to strengthen their capacity. . .&quot; and so on.  When I see a mission statement like that, I wonder if it&#039;s just a money sponge.  You get the idea.  

NGOs provide useful services around the world. I have worked with some in Africa, and some were great.  Others were frankly a waste of money.  I have no doubt the same situation exists in Springfield, OH.  

I would like to see someone total the amount of federal and state money going into Springfield, and try to analyze if it is well spent or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, JJ and Aggie have all touched on an issue that is pretty much ignored by people analyzing the immigrant problem in the USA: the role of Non Government Organizations (NGOs) in resettling immigrant populations.  It is something that some enterprising journalist should look at.</p>
<p>When the government hands out large sums of money, as both Obama and Biden did in abundance, cities turn to NGOs to address things like immigrant housing, healthcare, education etc.  The badly-named Inflation Reduction Act was a huge influx of money with hazy goals.  The press has turned up examples of IRA money building bicycle paths and golf courses.  A lot of it has gone to NGOs that address immigrant issues.  And some of those NGOs have looked at this influx of cash and thought they should get involved for the money they could make out of it.  Where there&#8217;s money, a need will occur to make us of it &#8212; and obviously to profit.</p>
<p>Google generates a list of NGOs in Springfield that includes a lot of the standard ones like food banks and churches, which I&#8217;m glad to see.  They also list others like Think Tank, Inc., whose mission is &#8220;To work with social service organizations to assess, develop, and implement creative strategies to strengthen their capacity. . .&#8221; and so on.  When I see a mission statement like that, I wonder if it&#8217;s just a money sponge.  You get the idea.  </p>
<p>NGOs provide useful services around the world. I have worked with some in Africa, and some were great.  Others were frankly a waste of money.  I have no doubt the same situation exists in Springfield, OH.  </p>
<p>I would like to see someone total the amount of federal and state money going into Springfield, and try to analyze if it is well spent or not.</p>
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		By: Skip		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2024 10:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[tinyurl.com/nhdvtx33
This is link to 20 Tweets from Bad Blue, #10 is short video of guy carrying a dead goose. People will eat lots of things if free and poor. I wish it wasn&#039;t true they are eating pets but wouldn&#039;t bet against it 
#2 is a clipof a guy telling you they are doing it.]]></description>
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This is link to 20 Tweets from Bad Blue, #10 is short video of guy carrying a dead goose. People will eat lots of things if free and poor. I wish it wasn&#8217;t true they are eating pets but wouldn&#8217;t bet against it<br />
#2 is a clipof a guy telling you they are doing it.</p>
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