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		By: James Sisco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Biden had a plan to &quot;fix&quot; the economy too. That didn&#039;t work out so well. And he never said he would let in 10 million illegal aliens. But he did claim he would cure cancer, and end fossil fuels. For reasons unclear to me, Democrats won more seats in 2022 than the projected Red Wave, even though the economy was &quot;chaotic&quot;. Economic concerns should win the day, but who knows, we are living in interesting times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biden had a plan to &#8220;fix&#8221; the economy too. That didn&#8217;t work out so well. And he never said he would let in 10 million illegal aliens. But he did claim he would cure cancer, and end fossil fuels. For reasons unclear to me, Democrats won more seats in 2022 than the projected Red Wave, even though the economy was &#8220;chaotic&#8221;. Economic concerns should win the day, but who knows, we are living in interesting times.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2024 11:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to the report linked below, out on the campaign trail Walz, in talking about Harris&#039; record, had a little Freudian slip moment, saying that she started out her career as a  &quot;young prostitutor.&quot; 

Personally, and reviewing this clip several times, I though that Walz did say &quot;prosecutor&quot; and did not say &quot;prostitutor,&quot; but your opinion may differ.

However, this article also includes a bonus clip, from back in the day, in 1995, of a much younger, and quite pretty Harris, accompanying Willie Brown, it looks like at some sort of party, and being asked by someone if--given the great age difference between them--she is Brown&#039;s daughter, to which Harris replies, no.*

*  See https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/09/12/yes-tim-walz-just-called-kamala-harris-a-prostitute-sort-of-n2644711]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the report linked below, out on the campaign trail Walz, in talking about Harris&#8217; record, had a little Freudian slip moment, saying that she started out her career as a  &#8220;young prostitutor.&#8221; </p>
<p>Personally, and reviewing this clip several times, I though that Walz did say &#8220;prosecutor&#8221; and did not say &#8220;prostitutor,&#8221; but your opinion may differ.</p>
<p>However, this article also includes a bonus clip, from back in the day, in 1995, of a much younger, and quite pretty Harris, accompanying Willie Brown, it looks like at some sort of party, and being asked by someone if&#8211;given the great age difference between them&#8211;she is Brown&#8217;s daughter, to which Harris replies, no.*</p>
<p>*  See <a href="https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/09/12/yes-tim-walz-just-called-kamala-harris-a-prostitute-sort-of-n2644711" rel="nofollow ugc">https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/09/12/yes-tim-walz-just-called-kamala-harris-a-prostitute-sort-of-n2644711</a></p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo
&lt;blockquote&gt;Karmi:

Watch the video.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I watched the Debate to avoid biased reviews from either the Left or Right – also rarely watch a video, and couldn’t get past 1-minute of this one...too right wing.

&lt;i&gt;Anyway&lt;/i&gt;, the Debate was moving much too fast for me to keep up with and write a Live Review at the same time. I was focused on what Harris &#038; Trump were saying, so wasn’t counting Fact Checking being done by moderators.

This morning I have read &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.newsmax.com/politics/mark-penn-abc-donald-trump/2024/09/12/id/1180149/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ally of Clintons: ABC Must Probe Whether Debate Rigged&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Mark Penn, a pollster and senior adviser for the Clintons from 1995-2008 and co-chair of the Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll, told the &quot;John Solomon Reports&quot; podcast Thursday that &quot;&lt;b&gt;suspicion is really quite high&lt;/b&gt;&quot; and a review of internal texts and emails should be done by an independent party to find out whether there was an effort to rig the debate&#039;s outcome.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Results of something &lt;b&gt;along those lines&lt;/b&gt; might change my mind. However, I listened carefully to much of what Harris &#038; Trump were saying – &lt;b&gt;both were lying at times&lt;/b&gt;, but I didn’t count those either.

Was surprised at how well Harris was doing – so well in fact that I find it hard to believe she was in on any ‘&lt;i&gt;Cheating&lt;/i&gt;’ done by ABC moderators. Trump pushed for the Debate knowing that ABC would have a biased slant towards Harris, now he whines about it. Another indicator of his bad decision making—and M.O. of underestimating people.   

To appease the squeaking wheel – ABC should add some grease by doing ‘&lt;i&gt;a review of internal texts and emails should be done by an independent party to find out whether there was an effort to rig the debate&#039;s outcome,&lt;/i&gt;’ IMHO, but that’s up to them, and I seriously doubt any amount of grease can stop a squeak that has gone on almost 24/7 for 4-years or so...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo</p>
<blockquote><p>Karmi:</p>
<p>Watch the video.</p></blockquote>
<p>I watched the Debate to avoid biased reviews from either the Left or Right – also rarely watch a video, and couldn’t get past 1-minute of this one&#8230;too right wing.</p>
<p><i>Anyway</i>, the Debate was moving much too fast for me to keep up with and write a Live Review at the same time. I was focused on what Harris &amp; Trump were saying, so wasn’t counting Fact Checking being done by moderators.</p>
<p>This morning I have read <a href="https://www.newsmax.com/politics/mark-penn-abc-donald-trump/2024/09/12/id/1180149/" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>Ally of Clintons: ABC Must Probe Whether Debate Rigged</b></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Mark Penn, a pollster and senior adviser for the Clintons from 1995-2008 and co-chair of the Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll, told the &#8220;John Solomon Reports&#8221; podcast Thursday that &#8220;<b>suspicion is really quite high</b>&#8221; and a review of internal texts and emails should be done by an independent party to find out whether there was an effort to rig the debate&#8217;s outcome.</p></blockquote>
<p>Results of something <b>along those lines</b> might change my mind. However, I listened carefully to much of what Harris &amp; Trump were saying – <b>both were lying at times</b>, but I didn’t count those either.</p>
<p>Was surprised at how well Harris was doing – so well in fact that I find it hard to believe she was in on any ‘<i>Cheating</i>’ done by ABC moderators. Trump pushed for the Debate knowing that ABC would have a biased slant towards Harris, now he whines about it. Another indicator of his bad decision making—and M.O. of underestimating people.   </p>
<p>To appease the squeaking wheel – ABC should add some grease by doing ‘<i>a review of internal texts and emails should be done by an independent party to find out whether there was an effort to rig the debate&#8217;s outcome,</i>’ IMHO, but that’s up to them, and I seriously doubt any amount of grease can stop a squeak that has gone on almost 24/7 for 4-years or so&#8230;</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On another thread below I pointed out that, the Biden-Harris Administration had added so much to the public debt with their reckless spending, that the amount that the &quot;mandatory interest payments&quot; on that debt was taking out of the Federal budget  meant that less and less money is being left for the &quot;discretionary spending,&quot; which is what pays for everything else--running the Federal government, Foreign Affairs and Aid, National Defense, Federal R &#038; D, etc., etc.

Well, linked below is an article which points out that, just so far this year--and for the first time ever--the U.S. government has payed out $1Trillion dollars in interest on the Federal debt, and the year is not even over. *

At some point, our public debt, and the interest payments on that debt, may get so high that default on interest payments or even repudiation of our national debt may be possibilities.

*  See  https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/09/12/interest-on-u-s-debt-tops-1-trillion-for-the-first-time/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another thread below I pointed out that, the Biden-Harris Administration had added so much to the public debt with their reckless spending, that the amount that the &#8220;mandatory interest payments&#8221; on that debt was taking out of the Federal budget  meant that less and less money is being left for the &#8220;discretionary spending,&#8221; which is what pays for everything else&#8211;running the Federal government, Foreign Affairs and Aid, National Defense, Federal R &amp; D, etc., etc.</p>
<p>Well, linked below is an article which points out that, just so far this year&#8211;and for the first time ever&#8211;the U.S. government has payed out $1Trillion dollars in interest on the Federal debt, and the year is not even over. *</p>
<p>At some point, our public debt, and the interest payments on that debt, may get so high that default on interest payments or even repudiation of our national debt may be possibilities.</p>
<p>*  See  <a href="https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/09/12/interest-on-u-s-debt-tops-1-trillion-for-the-first-time/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/09/12/interest-on-u-s-debt-tops-1-trillion-for-the-first-time/</a></p>
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		By: Dax		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2024 05:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;They saw no joy from Kamala. They saw a nasally Karen ...&quot;

A Kamala who spoke through her nose with fake emotion.

And &quot;moderator&quot; Linsey Davis was so nasal I had trouble understanding her words. Pathetic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They saw no joy from Kamala. They saw a nasally Karen &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>A Kamala who spoke through her nose with fake emotion.</p>
<p>And &#8220;moderator&#8221; Linsey Davis was so nasal I had trouble understanding her words. Pathetic.</p>
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		By: Just Lily		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just Lily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2024 04:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And yet, and yet, people are talking about eating pets and not policy. 

Why is that?

Because that&#039;s what it took to get them to notice the policy. Prior to his bringing up the pet thing people had no idea Springfield had 20,000 recent immigrants. And that&#039;s just number anyway. But pets. Pets are a tangible thing that people care about. 

She literally laughed at the idea of people&#039;s pets being eaten. She looked souless and evil in that moment. 

We may think that&#039;s stupid. But people aren&#039;t believing it isn&#039;t happening. Because they no longer believe anything the press says about anything. 

Politicians have been arguing about whose responsible for the price of gas as long as I&#039;ve been alive, but eating pets?  Who does that and why is it happening?  Now people are paying attention.  If he goes to Springfield now, everyone will be watching to see if it&#039;s true and, more importantly,  what he&#039;d do about it. And since he fixed the price of gas, back when he was prezzy the first time, well, maybe he&#039;ll save the pets too. 

No body ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the average voter.

The smart ones already picked a side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, and yet, people are talking about eating pets and not policy. </p>
<p>Why is that?</p>
<p>Because that&#8217;s what it took to get them to notice the policy. Prior to his bringing up the pet thing people had no idea Springfield had 20,000 recent immigrants. And that&#8217;s just number anyway. But pets. Pets are a tangible thing that people care about. </p>
<p>She literally laughed at the idea of people&#8217;s pets being eaten. She looked souless and evil in that moment. </p>
<p>We may think that&#8217;s stupid. But people aren&#8217;t believing it isn&#8217;t happening. Because they no longer believe anything the press says about anything. </p>
<p>Politicians have been arguing about whose responsible for the price of gas as long as I&#8217;ve been alive, but eating pets?  Who does that and why is it happening?  Now people are paying attention.  If he goes to Springfield now, everyone will be watching to see if it&#8217;s true and, more importantly,  what he&#8217;d do about it. And since he fixed the price of gas, back when he was prezzy the first time, well, maybe he&#8217;ll save the pets too. </p>
<p>No body ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the average voter.</p>
<p>The smart ones already picked a side.</p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2024 04:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley (11:52 pm) said:

&quot;I’d settle for unpolished and not stupid. . . . That wouldn’t have been hard or smarmy for Trump. I’ll bet such an approach was exactly what his advisors were advising.&quot;

As I commented only yesterday,

&quot;Does Trump listen to anyone other than Trump? About anything?&quot;

https://www.thenewneo.com/2024/09/11/on-presidential-debates/#comment-2761037]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley (11:52 pm) said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I’d settle for unpolished and not stupid. . . . That wouldn’t have been hard or smarmy for Trump. I’ll bet such an approach was exactly what his advisors were advising.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I commented only yesterday,</p>
<p>&#8220;Does Trump listen to anyone other than Trump? About anything?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2024/09/11/on-presidential-debates/#comment-2761037" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenewneo.com/2024/09/11/on-presidential-debates/#comment-2761037</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2024 03:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If polished and prepared was what voters wanted, Romney would have been a 2 term president.&lt;/i&gt;

Just Lily:

Is that the only choice? I&#039;d settle for unpolished and not stupid.

Trump didn&#039;t have to be Romney. He just had to avoid babbling off the top of his head about illegals eating pets and that sort of thing.

Keep the spotlight on Harris to explain her positions. Policy is her weakness. Baiting Trump to say outlandish things was her strength. Review the way she smiled when Trump went off on a tangent.

That wouldn&#039;t have been hard or smarmy for Trump. I&#039;ll bet such an approach was exactly what his advisors were advising.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If polished and prepared was what voters wanted, Romney would have been a 2 term president.</i></p>
<p>Just Lily:</p>
<p>Is that the only choice? I&#8217;d settle for unpolished and not stupid.</p>
<p>Trump didn&#8217;t have to be Romney. He just had to avoid babbling off the top of his head about illegals eating pets and that sort of thing.</p>
<p>Keep the spotlight on Harris to explain her positions. Policy is her weakness. Baiting Trump to say outlandish things was her strength. Review the way she smiled when Trump went off on a tangent.</p>
<p>That wouldn&#8217;t have been hard or smarmy for Trump. I&#8217;ll bet such an approach was exactly what his advisors were advising.</p>
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		By: Just Lily		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2024 03:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley,

If polished and prepared was what voters wanted, Romney would have been a 2 term president. 

People want someone who sees the current situation for the disaster that it is and is willing to fight all comers to make it better. Trump even cares about pets, and he&#039;s not a pet owner. He doesn&#039;t scoff at the slightest concern. It wasn&#039;t Candy Crowley who took Romney down,  it was his smarmy fakeness. As his subsequent behavior has shown. 

 Trump clearly cares and is an authentic non-politician and is willing to show his emotions on stage for all to see.  

If Kamala and all her prep could have been slightly authentic, she might have persuaded more undecideds. But she can&#039;t tell the LIVs what the values she &quot;hasn&#039;t changed&quot; really are or she&#039;s doomed.  But even Bernie Sanders knows she&#039;s lying. He&#039;s a commie so he&#039;s fine with it but most people aren&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley,</p>
<p>If polished and prepared was what voters wanted, Romney would have been a 2 term president. </p>
<p>People want someone who sees the current situation for the disaster that it is and is willing to fight all comers to make it better. Trump even cares about pets, and he&#8217;s not a pet owner. He doesn&#8217;t scoff at the slightest concern. It wasn&#8217;t Candy Crowley who took Romney down,  it was his smarmy fakeness. As his subsequent behavior has shown. </p>
<p> Trump clearly cares and is an authentic non-politician and is willing to show his emotions on stage for all to see.  </p>
<p>If Kamala and all her prep could have been slightly authentic, she might have persuaded more undecideds. But she can&#8217;t tell the LIVs what the values she &#8220;hasn&#8217;t changed&#8221; really are or she&#8217;s doomed.  But even Bernie Sanders knows she&#8217;s lying. He&#8217;s a commie so he&#8217;s fine with it but most people aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2024 02:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just Lily:

I still say Trump was sloppy and overconfident. If he managed to get more people in the middle, great. 

I saw a lot of unforced errors. I still say he could have done better and maybe even got more people in the middle.

You go to war with the Trump you&#039;ve got and not the Trump you would prefer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just Lily:</p>
<p>I still say Trump was sloppy and overconfident. If he managed to get more people in the middle, great. </p>
<p>I saw a lot of unforced errors. I still say he could have done better and maybe even got more people in the middle.</p>
<p>You go to war with the Trump you&#8217;ve got and not the Trump you would prefer.</p>
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