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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 17:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

More misreading and pontification. Classic!

I didn&#039;t say Audrey Hale went through anything horrific. My point is that some people do go through truly horrific stuff and nonetheless build constructive happy lives.

I didn&#039;t say that people who shoot up elementary schools are anywhere near the number of the generically unhappy, sad and angry. Though I would hazard a guess that those who do shoot up elementary schools are all unhappy, sad and angry.

Again, my point is that whatever the circumstances of a person&#039;s life, seeing it all through the lens of being a victim and focusing on one&#039;s unhappiness, sadness and anger make it worse. 

The Nashville shooter&#039;s last writings are a testament to this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>More misreading and pontification. Classic!</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say Audrey Hale went through anything horrific. My point is that some people do go through truly horrific stuff and nonetheless build constructive happy lives.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say that people who shoot up elementary schools are anywhere near the number of the generically unhappy, sad and angry. Though I would hazard a guess that those who do shoot up elementary schools are all unhappy, sad and angry.</p>
<p>Again, my point is that whatever the circumstances of a person&#8217;s life, seeing it all through the lens of being a victim and focusing on one&#8217;s unhappiness, sadness and anger make it worse. </p>
<p>The Nashville shooter&#8217;s last writings are a testament to this.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/09/04/open-thread-9-4-2024/#comment-2759980</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 15:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;People can go through horrific stuff and still find their ways to happy, constructive lives. But not if they go over and over about how they are unhappy, sad, and angry — as in the shooter’s manifesto.&lt;/i&gt;
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I&#039;d say the population of sad, angry people outnumbers the population of people who shoot up an elementary school by large margin.  A typical age cohort in this country has 4.2 million people.  The number among them who will commit an act of murder or aggressive manslaughter &#039;ere they shuffle off is about 20,000.  Audrey Hale was born in 1995.  I&#039;d wager the population of sad, angry people born that year exceeds 20,000 and does so by 20:1.  Sad, angry people do manage to earn a living, btw.
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Audrey Hale did not go through anything horrific.  It&#039;s just that the interaction between the mental health trade, her (married) parents, and her own mind proved unproductive until such time as she proved murderous.  
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>People can go through horrific stuff and still find their ways to happy, constructive lives. But not if they go over and over about how they are unhappy, sad, and angry — as in the shooter’s manifesto.</i><br />
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I&#8217;d say the population of sad, angry people outnumbers the population of people who shoot up an elementary school by large margin.  A typical age cohort in this country has 4.2 million people.  The number among them who will commit an act of murder or aggressive manslaughter &#8216;ere they shuffle off is about 20,000.  Audrey Hale was born in 1995.  I&#8217;d wager the population of sad, angry people born that year exceeds 20,000 and does so by 20:1.  Sad, angry people do manage to earn a living, btw.<br />
==<br />
Audrey Hale did not go through anything horrific.  It&#8217;s just that the interaction between the mental health trade, her (married) parents, and her own mind proved unproductive until such time as she proved murderous.<br />
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 15:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[well we spend money on many other things, I would rather it be done privately]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well we spend money on many other things, I would rather it be done privately</p>
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		By: crasey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 15:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow on Pine

I think you may have missed the author&#039;s point which is perhaps better understood by reading the 7 page paper referred to in the article. As neither a believer or a non-believer Milligan posits:

&quot;The contention of this paper is that alien visitation claims are a soci-
etal problem when they (a) move into the mainstream of discourse to
the extent that government policy has to respond to them; (b) when they
generate background noise which impedes science communication; and (c)
when they become entangled with indigenous origin narratives, making it
hard to recover the latter. Where this is the case, periodic debunking
looks like a failed paradigm. Something closer to a scientific research pro-
gram (SRP) might be called for, at some point. This is an idea which has
already been advanced by Avi Loeb and Martin Elvis (albeit in signifi-
cantly different ways and for different reasons). It is not clear that we are
already at the stage where an SRP is required, but such a requirement
does seem to be on the near horizon.) The paper concludes by setting out
a number of framing requirements for any such SRP.&quot;

IOW when belief is stronger than the science belief colors both science and history. Presently we&#039;re at the point where no amount of government disclosure or scientific inquiry is convincing. OTOH a properly devised SRP could be convincing. Milligan suggests what the key elements of such an SRP would be.

https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/293600954/IAU_Equivocal_Encounters_Paper_2024.pdf

UFOs/UAPs sightings are real. Until science can prove otherwise, the most likely explanation of the more credible observations is friendly or foreign advanced technology programs that the USG benefits from concealing within the noise of real or imagined alien origins.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow on Pine</p>
<p>I think you may have missed the author&#8217;s point which is perhaps better understood by reading the 7 page paper referred to in the article. As neither a believer or a non-believer Milligan posits:</p>
<p>&#8220;The contention of this paper is that alien visitation claims are a soci-<br />
etal problem when they (a) move into the mainstream of discourse to<br />
the extent that government policy has to respond to them; (b) when they<br />
generate background noise which impedes science communication; and (c)<br />
when they become entangled with indigenous origin narratives, making it<br />
hard to recover the latter. Where this is the case, periodic debunking<br />
looks like a failed paradigm. Something closer to a scientific research pro-<br />
gram (SRP) might be called for, at some point. This is an idea which has<br />
already been advanced by Avi Loeb and Martin Elvis (albeit in signifi-<br />
cantly different ways and for different reasons). It is not clear that we are<br />
already at the stage where an SRP is required, but such a requirement<br />
does seem to be on the near horizon.) The paper concludes by setting out<br />
a number of framing requirements for any such SRP.&#8221;</p>
<p>IOW when belief is stronger than the science belief colors both science and history. Presently we&#8217;re at the point where no amount of government disclosure or scientific inquiry is convincing. OTOH a properly devised SRP could be convincing. Milligan suggests what the key elements of such an SRP would be.</p>
<p><a href="https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/293600954/IAU_Equivocal_Encounters_Paper_2024.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/293600954/IAU_Equivocal_Encounters_Paper_2024.pdf</a></p>
<p>UFOs/UAPs sightings are real. Until science can prove otherwise, the most likely explanation of the more credible observations is friendly or foreign advanced technology programs that the USG benefits from concealing within the noise of real or imagined alien origins.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 15:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Nashville shooter

For me the worm in the apple is victim mentality -- &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m screwed-up and unhappy because of X (or X, Y, and Z for intersectionalists)&lt;/i&gt; -- and so much of the left reduces to victim mentality.

People can go through horrific stuff and still find their ways to happy, constructive lives. But not if they go over and over about how they are unhappy, sad, and angry -- as in the shooter&#039;s manifesto.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Nashville shooter</p>
<p>For me the worm in the apple is victim mentality &#8212; <i>I&#8217;m screwed-up and unhappy because of X (or X, Y, and Z for intersectionalists)</i> &#8212; and so much of the left reduces to victim mentality.</p>
<p>People can go through horrific stuff and still find their ways to happy, constructive lives. But not if they go over and over about how they are unhappy, sad, and angry &#8212; as in the shooter&#8217;s manifesto.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/09/04/open-thread-9-4-2024/#comment-2759973</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 14:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I see no reason to assume abuse in her home, absent any evidence of that. She was consumed by evil and was swept deeper and deeper into destruction.&lt;/i&gt;
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Everybody has different facets of them and no one person sees all the facets.  That having been said, I&#039;m struck by the contrast between the venom in her diary and the fragmentary accounts of her I&#039;ve seen in print, wherein neighbors described her as shy and sweet.  What the late Joseph Nicolosi said about his homosexual patients comes to mind, &quot;They spend their lives playing somebody else&quot;.  
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BTW, that girl had a history with mental health tradesmen going back to 2001.  If we did not live in clown world, their names would be published and they&#039;d be hauled in front of a commission of inquiry.  
==
One other thing.  The families of the deceased and other school constituents had no discernible interest in keeping her diaries confidential.  So, how were they conscripted in the effort to suppress them?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I see no reason to assume abuse in her home, absent any evidence of that. She was consumed by evil and was swept deeper and deeper into destruction.</i><br />
==<br />
Everybody has different facets of them and no one person sees all the facets.  That having been said, I&#8217;m struck by the contrast between the venom in her diary and the fragmentary accounts of her I&#8217;ve seen in print, wherein neighbors described her as shy and sweet.  What the late Joseph Nicolosi said about his homosexual patients comes to mind, &#8220;They spend their lives playing somebody else&#8221;.<br />
==<br />
BTW, that girl had a history with mental health tradesmen going back to 2001.  If we did not live in clown world, their names would be published and they&#8217;d be hauled in front of a commission of inquiry.<br />
==<br />
One other thing.  The families of the deceased and other school constituents had no discernible interest in keeping her diaries confidential.  So, how were they conscripted in the effort to suppress them?</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 14:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On the Nashville shooter: The transgender ideology is toxic to its adherents, and sometimes to other people around them. (We should distinguish between these and the few adult transsexuals who are merely trying to live their lives as best they can without demanding that the whole world celebrate them.)

I see no reason to assume abuse in her home, absent any evidence of that. She was consumed by evil and was swept deeper and deeper into destruction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Nashville shooter: The transgender ideology is toxic to its adherents, and sometimes to other people around them. (We should distinguish between these and the few adult transsexuals who are merely trying to live their lives as best they can without demanding that the whole world celebrate them.)</p>
<p>I see no reason to assume abuse in her home, absent any evidence of that. She was consumed by evil and was swept deeper and deeper into destruction.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 14:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aliens are among us, some arent even subtle about it]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aliens are among us, some arent even subtle about it</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 14:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley—During an interview on Curt Jaimungal&#039;s Youtube channel last night Lue Elizondo pointed out that the DOD is not one monolithic entity but instead, is composed of many different power centers, entities, and individuals—perhaps you might call them  “fiefdoms”--some in favor of some form of UFO Disclosure, some against. *

Not only has the “government” in general been trying to denigrate, laugh off, explain away, ignore, and to bury the UFO issue for the last 80 some years but, if you believe Dr. Steven M. Greer, some elements of the government have tried to actively muddy the waters even further, and to create fear of the NHIs by staging phony “Abductions,” and perhaps cattle mutilations as well. 

As well, the UFO Phenomena and the other “high strangeness” phenomena which—it is starting to  appear—may all be part of a whole package, attract a whole spectrum of people, an increasing number of them educated, serious researchers, but others just deluded, or nuts, making sorting out the truth—however strange--from fiction extremely difficult.

Thus, with all of the natural, plus the artificial, deliberately created confusion, deciding which of those reporting such phenomena are legit, and which of the UFO/NHI phenomena they report--which are outside of our current consensus Reality--might actually be real, is a truly Herculean task. 

I can see how, after awhile, a lot of people might just give up trying to sort things out, and move on to other, less threatening, more manageable, and more easily understandable issues. 

*  See  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh7umwJln38]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley—During an interview on Curt Jaimungal&#8217;s Youtube channel last night Lue Elizondo pointed out that the DOD is not one monolithic entity but instead, is composed of many different power centers, entities, and individuals—perhaps you might call them  “fiefdoms”&#8211;some in favor of some form of UFO Disclosure, some against. *</p>
<p>Not only has the “government” in general been trying to denigrate, laugh off, explain away, ignore, and to bury the UFO issue for the last 80 some years but, if you believe Dr. Steven M. Greer, some elements of the government have tried to actively muddy the waters even further, and to create fear of the NHIs by staging phony “Abductions,” and perhaps cattle mutilations as well. </p>
<p>As well, the UFO Phenomena and the other “high strangeness” phenomena which—it is starting to  appear—may all be part of a whole package, attract a whole spectrum of people, an increasing number of them educated, serious researchers, but others just deluded, or nuts, making sorting out the truth—however strange&#8211;from fiction extremely difficult.</p>
<p>Thus, with all of the natural, plus the artificial, deliberately created confusion, deciding which of those reporting such phenomena are legit, and which of the UFO/NHI phenomena they report&#8211;which are outside of our current consensus Reality&#8211;might actually be real, is a truly Herculean task. </p>
<p>I can see how, after awhile, a lot of people might just give up trying to sort things out, and move on to other, less threatening, more manageable, and more easily understandable issues. </p>
<p>*  See  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh7umwJln38" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh7umwJln38</a></p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 13:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unicorn chasing gives some people something to do.  When they aren&#039;t chasing Unicorns they are quite lucid, people are funny that way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unicorn chasing gives some people something to do.  When they aren&#8217;t chasing Unicorns they are quite lucid, people are funny that way.</p>
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