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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An additional benefit is that conservatives can now point to what was sneered at as a &quot;conspiracy theory&quot;.  Got any more, guys?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional benefit is that conservatives can now point to what was sneered at as a &#8220;conspiracy theory&#8221;.  Got any more, guys?</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“This is not the end.  It is not even the beginning of the end.  But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning”

- Winston Churchill on Zuckerberg, I mean WWII]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“This is not the end.  It is not even the beginning of the end.  But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning”</p>
<p>&#8211; Winston Churchill on Zuckerberg, I mean WWII</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;This is typical of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the rest. It is a deliberate trap that sacrifices its own citizens in order to demonize Israel for protecting itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;IIRC, Nasrallah lives underground, beneath a hospital.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is typical of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the rest. It is a deliberate trap that sacrifices its own citizens in order to demonize Israel for protecting itself.</p></blockquote>
<p>IIRC, Nasrallah lives underground, beneath a hospital.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The tyrell corporation needs to go back to spec]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tyrell corporation needs to go back to spec</p>
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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/27/roundup-118/#comment-2758651</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2024 13:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IrishOtter49,

 Very good observation. A fist and Zuck&#039;s  face seem to be made for each other, almost preternaturally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IrishOtter49,</p>
<p> Very good observation. A fist and Zuck&#8217;s  face seem to be made for each other, almost preternaturally.</p>
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		By: IrishOtter49		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/27/roundup-118/#comment-2758648</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2024 13:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never have and never do think of Zuckerberg as my friend. I want to punch him in the face.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never have and never do think of Zuckerberg as my friend. I want to punch him in the face.</p>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/27/roundup-118/#comment-2758643</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bauxite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2024 12:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Niketas Choniates and Kate on Zuckerberg.  It&#039;s part of the game, very much like Lois Lerner&#039;s stage-managed &quot;admission&quot; that launched the IRS targeting scandal into public view. &quot;Mistakes were made.&quot;  

Now, the next part of the censorship plan can go forward. Attacks against what comes next will be deflected by insisting that (i) social media censorship is &quot;old news;&quot; (ii) Zuckerberg already admitted what was done and expressed regret; and (iii) that was mean old Biden anyway, and he&#039;s gone now. Leftist censors will insist that this admission from Zuckerberg removes the 2020 censorship as an issue (i.e., &quot;old news&quot;) and demand that critics prove that new censorship is ongoing. They they&#039;ll rely on their old bag of tricks to stall and stonewall, making it incredibly difficult to prove censorship in real time. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. 

The right is fighting ghosts here. Zuckerberg is not our friend. And I don&#039;t for a second buy this as anything more than the censors&#039; next move.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Niketas Choniates and Kate on Zuckerberg.  It&#8217;s part of the game, very much like Lois Lerner&#8217;s stage-managed &#8220;admission&#8221; that launched the IRS targeting scandal into public view. &#8220;Mistakes were made.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Now, the next part of the censorship plan can go forward. Attacks against what comes next will be deflected by insisting that (i) social media censorship is &#8220;old news;&#8221; (ii) Zuckerberg already admitted what was done and expressed regret; and (iii) that was mean old Biden anyway, and he&#8217;s gone now. Leftist censors will insist that this admission from Zuckerberg removes the 2020 censorship as an issue (i.e., &#8220;old news&#8221;) and demand that critics prove that new censorship is ongoing. They they&#8217;ll rely on their old bag of tricks to stall and stonewall, making it incredibly difficult to prove censorship in real time. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. </p>
<p>The right is fighting ghosts here. Zuckerberg is not our friend. And I don&#8217;t for a second buy this as anything more than the censors&#8217; next move.</p>
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		By: Karmi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/27/roundup-118/#comment-2758618</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2024 09:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan on August 28, 2024 at 1:04 am links to a great article on ‘&lt;i&gt;Zuckerberg putting “censor” in writing&lt;/i&gt;&#039; – &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.racket.news/p/zuckerberg-defies-the-borg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Zuckerberg Defies the Borg&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Matt Taibbi (of the infamous &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Twitter Files&lt;/a&gt;).

Intro:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;As governments everywhere tighten their grip on the Internet, Meta&#039;s CEO blows a hole in years of official lies. How authorities brought this on themselves&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

• ‘&lt;i&gt;In 2021, senior officials from the Biden administration, including the White House, repeatedly pressured our teams for months to censor certain COVID-19 content…&lt;/i&gt;’

• ‘&lt;i&gt;The FBI warned us about a potential Russian disinformation operation about the Biden family and Burisma in the lead up to the 2020 election … the reporting was not Russian disinformation, and in retrospect, we should not have demoted the story.&lt;/i&gt;’

Rep. Jim Jordan’s &lt;a href=&quot;https://x.com/Jim_Jordan&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;X account&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; covers some more, and also had a 12:03 PM · Jul 27, 2023 Post – “THE FACEBOOK FILES, PART 1: SMOKING-GUN DOCS PROVE FACEBOOK CENSORED AMERICANS BECAUSE OF BIDEN WHITE HOUSE PRESSURE”. Instagram gets mentioned in that Post…

&lt;b&gt;Another&lt;/b&gt; ‘&lt;i&gt;tiny leak in a dike&lt;/i&gt;’...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan on August 28, 2024 at 1:04 am links to a great article on ‘<i>Zuckerberg putting “censor” in writing</i>&#8216; – <a href="https://www.racket.news/p/zuckerberg-defies-the-borg" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>Zuckerberg Defies the Borg</b></a> by Matt Taibbi (of the infamous <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files" rel="nofollow ugc">Twitter Files</a>).</p>
<p>Intro:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>As governments everywhere tighten their grip on the Internet, Meta&#8217;s CEO blows a hole in years of official lies. How authorities brought this on themselves</b></p></blockquote>
<p>• ‘<i>In 2021, senior officials from the Biden administration, including the White House, repeatedly pressured our teams for months to censor certain COVID-19 content…</i>’</p>
<p>• ‘<i>The FBI warned us about a potential Russian disinformation operation about the Biden family and Burisma in the lead up to the 2020 election … the reporting was not Russian disinformation, and in retrospect, we should not have demoted the story.</i>’</p>
<p>Rep. Jim Jordan’s <a href="https://x.com/Jim_Jordan" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>X account</b></a> covers some more, and also had a 12:03 PM · Jul 27, 2023 Post – “THE FACEBOOK FILES, PART 1: SMOKING-GUN DOCS PROVE FACEBOOK CENSORED AMERICANS BECAUSE OF BIDEN WHITE HOUSE PRESSURE”. Instagram gets mentioned in that Post…</p>
<p><b>Another</b> ‘<i>tiny leak in a dike</i>’&#8230;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/27/roundup-118/#comment-2758592</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2024 05:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Taibbi on Zuckerberg - he celebrates the win, but questions the motive behind it: 
https://www.racket.news/p/zuckerberg-defies-the-borg
&lt;blockquote&gt;
 Because reporting is done in herds, no one wildebeest can break formation without screwing things up for the others. So, they’ll all hold the line, until they all stop holding the line. This is why a multi-billionaire like Zuckerberg, a human supertanker whose tiniest move causes market-disrupting fluctuations in his company’s share price, is able to correct himself faster than mere line reporters for media companies.

Governments can’t allow the public to have a debate about whether or not they are “censoring” people, which is why everyone who’s made claims in that direction, from Durov to Elon Musk to Glenn Greenwald to Max Blumenthal to me, has been tarred with the Hitler-of-the-month treatment in the press and dismissed as quacks, Trump supporters, or both.

Zuckerberg putting “censor” in writing forces the Dana Bashes of the world to start adding the Meta CEO to their already bloated list of Putin-loving right-wing fabulists. This technique is already stretched beyond the limits of plausibility, and a full defection from the Bullshit Cartel of Zuckerberg — whose internal analysts surely have a more accurate read on the population’s leanings than any poll agency — &lt;b&gt;would make continued dismissals of censorship claims all but impossible. Were he to give full evidence to someone like Jordan, it would make the Twitter Files look like a mild appetizer.&lt;/b&gt;

Some who were involved with the Murthy v. Missouri Supreme Court case on digital censorship are a little frosty today, irritated that Zuckerberg’s admissions came too late to help make their public case. As someone who dealt with frustration trying to roll the same story uphill, and whose own articles are frequently vaporized on Meta without explanation, &lt;b&gt;I understand, but choose to look on the bright side. Zuckerberg’s letter can only be good news. Our idiot ruling junta finally pushed too far, &lt;/b&gt;and a man moved to offer authorities a taste of embarrassment can surely be convinced to serve the whole meal. Mr. Zuckerberg, can we hear the rest?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taibbi on Zuckerberg &#8211; he celebrates the win, but questions the motive behind it:<br />
<a href="https://www.racket.news/p/zuckerberg-defies-the-borg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.racket.news/p/zuckerberg-defies-the-borg</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
 Because reporting is done in herds, no one wildebeest can break formation without screwing things up for the others. So, they’ll all hold the line, until they all stop holding the line. This is why a multi-billionaire like Zuckerberg, a human supertanker whose tiniest move causes market-disrupting fluctuations in his company’s share price, is able to correct himself faster than mere line reporters for media companies.</p>
<p>Governments can’t allow the public to have a debate about whether or not they are “censoring” people, which is why everyone who’s made claims in that direction, from Durov to Elon Musk to Glenn Greenwald to Max Blumenthal to me, has been tarred with the Hitler-of-the-month treatment in the press and dismissed as quacks, Trump supporters, or both.</p>
<p>Zuckerberg putting “censor” in writing forces the Dana Bashes of the world to start adding the Meta CEO to their already bloated list of Putin-loving right-wing fabulists. This technique is already stretched beyond the limits of plausibility, and a full defection from the Bullshit Cartel of Zuckerberg — whose internal analysts surely have a more accurate read on the population’s leanings than any poll agency — <b>would make continued dismissals of censorship claims all but impossible. Were he to give full evidence to someone like Jordan, it would make the Twitter Files look like a mild appetizer.</b></p>
<p>Some who were involved with the Murthy v. Missouri Supreme Court case on digital censorship are a little frosty today, irritated that Zuckerberg’s admissions came too late to help make their public case. As someone who dealt with frustration trying to roll the same story uphill, and whose own articles are frequently vaporized on Meta without explanation, <b>I understand, but choose to look on the bright side. Zuckerberg’s letter can only be good news. Our idiot ruling junta finally pushed too far, </b>and a man moved to offer authorities a taste of embarrassment can surely be convinced to serve the whole meal. Mr. Zuckerberg, can we hear the rest?
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/27/roundup-118/#comment-2758590</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2024 04:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ David Foster &#062; &quot;Imagining the script conference that resulted in the political movie that is now in progress:&quot;

Putting the train of events* so succinctly makes them sound even more fictional -- no producer would ever buy that script, unless it was maybe Mel Brooks looking for a new farce.

*And that was just since last June (!!!) -- try starting back in 2008 for improbable political situations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David Foster &gt; &#8220;Imagining the script conference that resulted in the political movie that is now in progress:&#8221;</p>
<p>Putting the train of events* so succinctly makes them sound even more fictional &#8212; no producer would ever buy that script, unless it was maybe Mel Brooks looking for a new farce.</p>
<p>*And that was just since last June (!!!) &#8212; try starting back in 2008 for improbable political situations.</p>
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