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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  The UFO Phenomena and NHIs.

Why isn&#039;t this the primary issue that everyone in authority is grappling with, and working on, and that the public at large has been informed about, at least on a fundamental level?

I can think of a lot of reasons.

First of all, people do not want their world &quot;turned upside down.”

A lot of people--perhaps a majority of us--just do not want to disrupt the current, essentially comfortable, relatively safe,  consensus Reality--the familiar, fenced in, perceptual, philosophical, and ideological area within which we live--by admitting that Reality is far wider, more complex, deep, and stranger than we would like, as proved by the fact that there exist, and that we are being visited and surveilled by Non Human Intelligences, or that the unimpeded ease with which these NHIs and their UFOs go wherever they want to go, and do whatever they want to do, informs us that we are not really the masters of our own house, and not the Earthly “apex predators” we fancy ourselves to be.  

The existence of NHIs is a challenge which every human Religion will have to face, and try to integrate—or not--into it&#039;s theology, and practice.

The existence of NHIs also raises potentially uncomfortable questions about the deep origin and progress of our hominid line.

It appears that, over the decades since 1945, a small group of defense and aerospace actors have gained control over this knowledge and recovered NHI craft, and they hope to gain profit, power, and U.S. and/or their own personal dominance from this  knowledge and technology, and they&#039;re doing their damnedest to keep it Secret. 

For our military generally (Air Force, I&#039;m lookin&#039; at you) admitting that UFOs exist, and can do whatever they want here on Earth, and out into our Solar System—and we can&#039;t stop them--is an admission that, in the face of these NHIs and their UFOs, our military, for all the trillions of dollars we have poured into it, is powerless--it has and is failing, in it&#039;s primary function of protecting us from “enemies foreign and domestic.”  

Solution?

In effect, close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and keep yelling, at the top of your voices—La, La, La.  

Or, perhaps a better image is hiding under the covers, like a little kid, and pretending that, if you can&#039;t see what is outside of the covers, then, it&#039;s gone, it doesn&#039;t really exist.

Gaslight the public, just pretend that, after 80 years of intense, behind the scenes study, you really don&#039;t know anything at all about UFOs, or the history of UFOs during those last 80 years (see the testimony of Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray, and Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security Ronald Moultrie, two very high level government officials, at the first UFO Hearing on May 27, 2022)*, and/or that each and every UFO report is just nonsense—and ultimately explainable fiction, figments of often disturbed people&#039;s imaginations, are ”swamp gas,” “ball lightning,” or misidentified aircraft, satellites, stars, the Moon, or planets, flocks of birds, or plastic bags floating through the air—just Air Trash--and, there you go, problem solved.

In actual Reality, what we are dealing with here is “force majeure.”

But, if neither NHIs, nor their “force majeure” don&#039;t really exist, we can ignore these phony, illusory issues, and just move on to the actual, safer, much more mundane problems which need to be addressed. 

* See https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-hearing-congress-pentagon-watch-live-stream-today-2022-05-17/

*  See full Hearing here at  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-house-intelligence-committee-holds-hearing-on-unidentified-aerial-phenomena]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  The UFO Phenomena and NHIs.</p>
<p>Why isn&#8217;t this the primary issue that everyone in authority is grappling with, and working on, and that the public at large has been informed about, at least on a fundamental level?</p>
<p>I can think of a lot of reasons.</p>
<p>First of all, people do not want their world &#8220;turned upside down.”</p>
<p>A lot of people&#8211;perhaps a majority of us&#8211;just do not want to disrupt the current, essentially comfortable, relatively safe,  consensus Reality&#8211;the familiar, fenced in, perceptual, philosophical, and ideological area within which we live&#8211;by admitting that Reality is far wider, more complex, deep, and stranger than we would like, as proved by the fact that there exist, and that we are being visited and surveilled by Non Human Intelligences, or that the unimpeded ease with which these NHIs and their UFOs go wherever they want to go, and do whatever they want to do, informs us that we are not really the masters of our own house, and not the Earthly “apex predators” we fancy ourselves to be.  </p>
<p>The existence of NHIs is a challenge which every human Religion will have to face, and try to integrate—or not&#8211;into it&#8217;s theology, and practice.</p>
<p>The existence of NHIs also raises potentially uncomfortable questions about the deep origin and progress of our hominid line.</p>
<p>It appears that, over the decades since 1945, a small group of defense and aerospace actors have gained control over this knowledge and recovered NHI craft, and they hope to gain profit, power, and U.S. and/or their own personal dominance from this  knowledge and technology, and they&#8217;re doing their damnedest to keep it Secret. </p>
<p>For our military generally (Air Force, I&#8217;m lookin&#8217; at you) admitting that UFOs exist, and can do whatever they want here on Earth, and out into our Solar System—and we can&#8217;t stop them&#8211;is an admission that, in the face of these NHIs and their UFOs, our military, for all the trillions of dollars we have poured into it, is powerless&#8211;it has and is failing, in it&#8217;s primary function of protecting us from “enemies foreign and domestic.”  </p>
<p>Solution?</p>
<p>In effect, close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and keep yelling, at the top of your voices—La, La, La.  </p>
<p>Or, perhaps a better image is hiding under the covers, like a little kid, and pretending that, if you can&#8217;t see what is outside of the covers, then, it&#8217;s gone, it doesn&#8217;t really exist.</p>
<p>Gaslight the public, just pretend that, after 80 years of intense, behind the scenes study, you really don&#8217;t know anything at all about UFOs, or the history of UFOs during those last 80 years (see the testimony of Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray, and Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security Ronald Moultrie, two very high level government officials, at the first UFO Hearing on May 27, 2022)*, and/or that each and every UFO report is just nonsense—and ultimately explainable fiction, figments of often disturbed people&#8217;s imaginations, are ”swamp gas,” “ball lightning,” or misidentified aircraft, satellites, stars, the Moon, or planets, flocks of birds, or plastic bags floating through the air—just Air Trash&#8211;and, there you go, problem solved.</p>
<p>In actual Reality, what we are dealing with here is “force majeure.”</p>
<p>But, if neither NHIs, nor their “force majeure” don&#8217;t really exist, we can ignore these phony, illusory issues, and just move on to the actual, safer, much more mundane problems which need to be addressed. </p>
<p>* See <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-hearing-congress-pentagon-watch-live-stream-today-2022-05-17/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-hearing-congress-pentagon-watch-live-stream-today-2022-05-17/</a></p>
<p>*  See full Hearing here at  <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-house-intelligence-committee-holds-hearing-on-unidentified-aerial-phenomena" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-house-intelligence-committee-holds-hearing-on-unidentified-aerial-phenomena</a></p>
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		By: BenDavid		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 08:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay:
It had never occurred to me that Psycho is a slow moving film in most places… but it is. The film was not appreciated by the group.
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There are so many classics that I hesitate to share with my kids.
Fortunately they are all readers, so they are used to slower-paced fare as well as current fast-paced movies.

But sometimes I do get a glassy-eyed response.
Very sad - some of these movies are very powerful, even culturally important.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay:<br />
It had never occurred to me that Psycho is a slow moving film in most places… but it is. The film was not appreciated by the group.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
There are so many classics that I hesitate to share with my kids.<br />
Fortunately they are all readers, so they are used to slower-paced fare as well as current fast-paced movies.</p>
<p>But sometimes I do get a glassy-eyed response.<br />
Very sad &#8211; some of these movies are very powerful, even culturally important.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 05:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Come to think of it, did Kamala ever &quot;announce&quot; anything?  It looks more like she was anointed.  Definitely not elected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to think of it, did Kamala ever &#8220;announce&#8221; anything?  It looks more like she was anointed.  Definitely not elected.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 05:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like &quot;Citizen Kane&quot; either.  Another crank opinion of mine though I realize why it was considered a cinematic milestone.  But I do like &quot;Compulsion&quot;.  Now whatever happened to Diane Varsi?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like &#8220;Citizen Kane&#8221; either.  Another crank opinion of mine though I realize why it was considered a cinematic milestone.  But I do like &#8220;Compulsion&#8221;.  Now whatever happened to Diane Varsi?</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 05:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“We’ve pretty much been crying since Kamala announced.”

You can just feel the joy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We’ve pretty much been crying since Kamala announced.”</p>
<p>You can just feel the joy!</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 04:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe this has answered my question:
mkent on August 22, 2024 at 3:38 pm said: (on the Round-up thread)
Concerning item #3, I guess Rush Limbaugh was right when he said “Liberalism is a mental disorder.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this has answered my question:<br />
mkent on August 22, 2024 at 3:38 pm said: (on the Round-up thread)<br />
Concerning item #3, I guess Rush Limbaugh was right when he said “Liberalism is a mental disorder.”</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 04:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Mike Plaiss &#062; &quot;So I have to tell this story to people who’d understand. ....
What -- did I do to deserve that?&quot;

Aside from living in Chicago, it happened precisely so you could relay it to us!
Would we believe anyone else?

But I don&#039;t understand why they are crying since &quot;Kamala announced&quot; (what a strange new idiom!), because they should be happy she is the Democrat candidate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike Plaiss &gt; &#8220;So I have to tell this story to people who’d understand. &#8230;.<br />
What &#8212; did I do to deserve that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Aside from living in Chicago, it happened precisely so you could relay it to us!<br />
Would we believe anyone else?</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t understand why they are crying since &#8220;Kamala announced&#8221; (what a strange new idiom!), because they should be happy she is the Democrat candidate.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Two Unicorns in one Open Thread, Lord have mercy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two Unicorns in one Open Thread, Lord have mercy!</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;So your thoughts on Citizen Kane?&lt;/i&gt;

Mike Plaiss:

A sublime masterpiece, which created a whole new vocabulary for cinematography.

Also, I hold that when Welles as Kane declared, &quot;I am an American,&quot; he was speaking for himself as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So your thoughts on Citizen Kane?</i></p>
<p>Mike Plaiss:</p>
<p>A sublime masterpiece, which created a whole new vocabulary for cinematography.</p>
<p>Also, I hold that when Welles as Kane declared, &#8220;I am an American,&#8221; he was speaking for himself as well.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE: the UFO Phenomena, Elizondo&#039;s &quot;Imminent,&quot; and &quot;Woo&quot;

It is often said that, when dealing with the UFO Phenomenon, you don&#039;t want to sound like you&#039;re crazy by diving too deep into, and discussing, the more &quot;high strangeness&quot; aspects of the UFO Phenomena, the so called &quot;Woo.&quot; 

Well, in his book, Lue Elizondo dives deep onto some Woo, as he talks about the luminous, basketball sized orbs--witnessed by every member of his family--which appear in the rooms in his home, drift down the hallways and, then, disappear into the walls. 

(Many of the people who are deeply involved in studying UFOs have also reported such strange things happening to them, and also to their families.

In the case of the very &quot;high strangeness&quot; Skinwalker Ranch, all sorts of even stranger phenomena--&quot;hitchhikers&quot;--have followed many of those doing research at at the Ranch back to their homes, to their families, and even, in some cases, then spread to other families in their neighborhoods.)

Elizondo also discussed an apparently Alien &quot;implant,&quot; “which looked like a microchip” enclosed in a slimy capsule of some sort of tissue? which a VA surgeon had removed from a veteran who had had a UFO encounter, and how the surgeon said that this object tried to move away, tired to evade the surgeon&#039;s efforts to excise it.*

https://www.facebook.com/NewsNationNow/videos/ive-seen-possible-alien-technology-ex-pentagon-official/426734807072414/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: the UFO Phenomena, Elizondo&#8217;s &#8220;Imminent,&#8221; and &#8220;Woo&#8221;</p>
<p>It is often said that, when dealing with the UFO Phenomenon, you don&#8217;t want to sound like you&#8217;re crazy by diving too deep into, and discussing, the more &#8220;high strangeness&#8221; aspects of the UFO Phenomena, the so called &#8220;Woo.&#8221; </p>
<p>Well, in his book, Lue Elizondo dives deep onto some Woo, as he talks about the luminous, basketball sized orbs&#8211;witnessed by every member of his family&#8211;which appear in the rooms in his home, drift down the hallways and, then, disappear into the walls. </p>
<p>(Many of the people who are deeply involved in studying UFOs have also reported such strange things happening to them, and also to their families.</p>
<p>In the case of the very &#8220;high strangeness&#8221; Skinwalker Ranch, all sorts of even stranger phenomena&#8211;&#8220;hitchhikers&#8221;&#8211;have followed many of those doing research at at the Ranch back to their homes, to their families, and even, in some cases, then spread to other families in their neighborhoods.)</p>
<p>Elizondo also discussed an apparently Alien &#8220;implant,&#8221; “which looked like a microchip” enclosed in a slimy capsule of some sort of tissue? which a VA surgeon had removed from a veteran who had had a UFO encounter, and how the surgeon said that this object tried to move away, tired to evade the surgeon&#8217;s efforts to excise it.*</p>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/NewsNationNow/videos/ive-seen-possible-alien-technology-ex-pentagon-official/426734807072414/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/NewsNationNow/videos/ive-seen-possible-alien-technology-ex-pentagon-official/426734807072414/</a></p>
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