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		By: neo		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey:

I haven&#039;t seen any information regarding that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey:</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen any information regarding that.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hate to be particularly grim.  Is there any info on how long the hostages had been dead?  Were they shot just as the IDF approached, or were they killed weeks ago?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to be particularly grim.  Is there any info on how long the hostages had been dead?  Were they shot just as the IDF approached, or were they killed weeks ago?</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bibi and Trump have at least two things in common:

1) They are fallible and imperfect (like the other humans) and not beyond criticism.

2)  There are such visibly concerted efforts to take each of them down that it makes me suspicious of any criticism even when it seems reasonable.  Not to mention the fact that it is often the same people behind both.  I&#039;m looking at you Barry O.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bibi and Trump have at least two things in common:</p>
<p>1) They are fallible and imperfect (like the other humans) and not beyond criticism.</p>
<p>2)  There are such visibly concerted efforts to take each of them down that it makes me suspicious of any criticism even when it seems reasonable.  Not to mention the fact that it is often the same people behind both.  I&#8217;m looking at you Barry O.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[18Forty channel aims to ask 18 questions of 40 Israeli writers and thinkers. Here&#039;s Gadi Taub&#039;s session with them (1:04:53) subtitled &quot;. . . on Judicial Reform, the Palestinian Authority, and Gaza&#039;s future&quot;. 

A good deal of BenDavid&#039;s sketch above is paralleled there in greater detail.:
https://youtu.be/O5gHdAvPxLk?si=zJmtMpKgsfzgNkZX]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18Forty channel aims to ask 18 questions of 40 Israeli writers and thinkers. Here&#8217;s Gadi Taub&#8217;s session with them (1:04:53) subtitled &#8220;. . . on Judicial Reform, the Palestinian Authority, and Gaza&#8217;s future&#8221;. </p>
<p>A good deal of BenDavid&#8217;s sketch above is paralleled there in greater detail.:<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/O5gHdAvPxLk?si=zJmtMpKgsfzgNkZX" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/O5gHdAvPxLk?si=zJmtMpKgsfzgNkZX</a></p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The experts have wanted bibi  to give up more land seriously are you ignorant on all topics back in 21 the administration forced another hudna back in 14 kerry did the same

According to one source they had planned for pessach but blinken and unrwa had not come up with all the monies yet

Please ignore the temper tantrum on the left that encouraged mutiny among the security services]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The experts have wanted bibi  to give up more land seriously are you ignorant on all topics back in 21 the administration forced another hudna back in 14 kerry did the same</p>
<p>According to one source they had planned for pessach but blinken and unrwa had not come up with all the monies yet</p>
<p>Please ignore the temper tantrum on the left that encouraged mutiny among the security services</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For BrooklynBoy because The Great Orange Whale has been very supportive of Israel and of Bibi, Bibi is tainted and must go.  Hate and TDS must be serviced.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For BrooklynBoy because The Great Orange Whale has been very supportive of Israel and of Bibi, Bibi is tainted and must go.  Hate and TDS must be serviced.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[F&lt;blockquote&gt;Many years later I was a senior FSO in our embassy in Lima when domestic Peruvian terrorists captured a number of foreign diplomats in the Japanese embassy. A lot of us were in the embassy all night, and in constant communication with the Department of State, considering what we would be saying officially when the press began asking us for comment the next day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Which brings forth an interesting aspect of the comments here: many  add their personal stories to the topic. Ann Patchett wrote a book about the kidnapping at the Japanese Embassy in Lima: &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.amazon.com/Canto-Harper-Perennial-Modern-Classics-ebook/dp/B000FC10S4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&#038;qid=&#038;sr=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt; Bel Canto.&lt;/a&gt;  I highly recommend the book. I read it decades ago. Maybe I&#039;ll reread it. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F</p>
<blockquote><p>Many years later I was a senior FSO in our embassy in Lima when domestic Peruvian terrorists captured a number of foreign diplomats in the Japanese embassy. A lot of us were in the embassy all night, and in constant communication with the Department of State, considering what we would be saying officially when the press began asking us for comment the next day.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which brings forth an interesting aspect of the comments here: many  add their personal stories to the topic. Ann Patchett wrote a book about the kidnapping at the Japanese Embassy in Lima: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Canto-Harper-Perennial-Modern-Classics-ebook/dp/B000FC10S4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=&amp;sr=" rel="nofollow ugc"> Bel Canto.</a>  I highly recommend the book. I read it decades ago. Maybe I&#8217;ll reread it. 🙂</p>
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		By: Lee Also		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee Also]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BenDavid: Thanks for your input. I have a number of Facebook friends in Israel, and belong to a couple of Facebook groups with a sizable Israeli membership. In general, the sense I have gotten from most of them, echoes what you write. 

But I have two Facebook friends, (and these are people I have known a VERY long time, though I have not seen in over twenty-five years) who virulently hate Bibi and the religious Zionists. One (who made aliyah when he was 18, and is now in his late 60&#039;s), constantly refers to them as &quot;fascists&quot; ( I would so like to send him back to 1930&#039;s Italy) and the other, (who made aliyah after he retired and is now in his early seventies), just bemoans how terrible the current government is handling EVERYTHING.  (FWIW, both live in Tel Aviv.) They drive me NUTS.  

My other Israeli facebook friends are pretty much as you describe most Israelis. On Facebook, they pray for the hostages, they share normal everyday things, like their pets, or their kids, they share the attacks that happen. They certainly do not fulminate on how evil Bibi and the right are.  (FWIW, about half are people who grew up in Israel and served in the army, the other half are people who made aliyah as adults, and did not serve.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BenDavid: Thanks for your input. I have a number of Facebook friends in Israel, and belong to a couple of Facebook groups with a sizable Israeli membership. In general, the sense I have gotten from most of them, echoes what you write. </p>
<p>But I have two Facebook friends, (and these are people I have known a VERY long time, though I have not seen in over twenty-five years) who virulently hate Bibi and the religious Zionists. One (who made aliyah when he was 18, and is now in his late 60&#8217;s), constantly refers to them as &#8220;fascists&#8221; ( I would so like to send him back to 1930&#8217;s Italy) and the other, (who made aliyah after he retired and is now in his early seventies), just bemoans how terrible the current government is handling EVERYTHING.  (FWIW, both live in Tel Aviv.) They drive me NUTS.  </p>
<p>My other Israeli facebook friends are pretty much as you describe most Israelis. On Facebook, they pray for the hostages, they share normal everyday things, like their pets, or their kids, they share the attacks that happen. They certainly do not fulminate on how evil Bibi and the right are.  (FWIW, about half are people who grew up in Israel and served in the army, the other half are people who made aliyah as adults, and did not serve.)</p>
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		By: JohnTyler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brooklyn Boy @ 3:32 PM on 8/22:

I am not knowledgeable on  he inner workings of Israeli politics and who should, or not,  be held accountable for their intelligence failure that led to Oct 7.

But what happened on Oct 7  in Israel is analogous to 9/11 here in the USA.  If I recall correctly, NOBODY lost their jobs or were explicitly held accountable; no heads rolled within the American bureaucracy.

When you have a bureaucratic quagmire, responsibilities are so diffused amongst several agencies with overlapping mandates that any supposedly responsible individual(s) can claim - and they do - that , it was a failure of the &quot;other guy,&quot; and &quot;hey, don&#039;t look at me.&quot;  And when you consider how agencies will circle their wagons to protect their own, no matter how culpable someone may be, those really responsible are protected by a wall of obfuscation and deceit. 

The intelligence failures in Israel that led to the Oct 7 disaster are not unique. Any successful &quot;surprise&quot; attack can be considered an intelligence failure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooklyn Boy @ 3:32 PM on 8/22:</p>
<p>I am not knowledgeable on  he inner workings of Israeli politics and who should, or not,  be held accountable for their intelligence failure that led to Oct 7.</p>
<p>But what happened on Oct 7  in Israel is analogous to 9/11 here in the USA.  If I recall correctly, NOBODY lost their jobs or were explicitly held accountable; no heads rolled within the American bureaucracy.</p>
<p>When you have a bureaucratic quagmire, responsibilities are so diffused amongst several agencies with overlapping mandates that any supposedly responsible individual(s) can claim &#8211; and they do &#8211; that , it was a failure of the &#8220;other guy,&#8221; and &#8220;hey, don&#8217;t look at me.&#8221;  And when you consider how agencies will circle their wagons to protect their own, no matter how culpable someone may be, those really responsible are protected by a wall of obfuscation and deceit. </p>
<p>The intelligence failures in Israel that led to the Oct 7 disaster are not unique. Any successful &#8220;surprise&#8221; attack can be considered an intelligence failure.</p>
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		By: BrooklynBoy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ben-David
You never addressed the fact that there were major screw ups on October 7. Golda Meir eventually resigned after the Yom Kippur war and Netanyahu needs to do the same and go! He has been there far too long and he nor anyone else is irreplaceable. This has been the greatest disaster since the Holocaust and should never have happened. He needs to be a man and accept that the fact that he was the boss.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben-David<br />
You never addressed the fact that there were major screw ups on October 7. Golda Meir eventually resigned after the Yom Kippur war and Netanyahu needs to do the same and go! He has been there far too long and he nor anyone else is irreplaceable. This has been the greatest disaster since the Holocaust and should never have happened. He needs to be a man and accept that the fact that he was the boss.</p>
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