Comments on: The selling of Kamala: Part II – the Obamas help create the narrative at the DNC https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/21/the-selling-of-kamala-part-ii-the-obamas-help-create-the-narrative-at-the-dnc/ A blog about political change, among other things Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:05:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Miguel cervantes https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/21/the-selling-of-kamala-part-ii-the-obamas-help-create-the-narrative-at-the-dnc/#comment-2757707 Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:05:37 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=136362#comment-2757707 The kings already knew how to hold power with the knout the truncheon the sword the borgias were a blood thirsty lot like a bratva
boss

]]> By: huxley https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/21/the-selling-of-kamala-part-ii-the-obamas-help-create-the-narrative-at-the-dnc/#comment-2757688 Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:05:37 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=136362#comment-2757688 Back atcha!

]]> By: sdferr https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/21/the-selling-of-kamala-part-ii-the-obamas-help-create-the-narrative-at-the-dnc/#comment-2757686 Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:04:35 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=136362#comment-2757686 Oh, nevermind then. You’ve got the whole of it fit to the purpose.

]]> By: huxley https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/21/the-selling-of-kamala-part-ii-the-obamas-help-create-the-narrative-at-the-dnc/#comment-2757684 Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:02:42 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=136362#comment-2757684 sdferr:

OK. So Machiavelli and other such advisors are empowering themselves as well as enabling Princes to hold power.

This seems a long way from establishing your accusation that Alinsky was lying about Machiavelli.

]]> By: sdferr https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/21/the-selling-of-kamala-part-ii-the-obamas-help-create-the-narrative-at-the-dnc/#comment-2757681 Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:42:43 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=136362#comment-2757681 Machiavelli is doing many things with his works of course, yet foremost and too often unseen (because Machiavelli doesn’t intend it to be seen unless one simply must see it and goes at it willingly and arduously to winkle it out) is making the world over to accommodate the powers of Machiavelli! and those (very few) like him.

In brief, he creates the modern world, practically from scratch. It’s an awesome project, an amazing thing indeed. One requiring deep collaboration over long periods of time, time far beyond Machiavelli’s own limited years. He can’t even know his collaborators, apart from some intimations of their probable characteristics (needfully of course akin to his own).

We, on the other hand, have the benefit of hindsight; we can find them as they beaver away. Good (Ha!) fellows like Bacon, Descartes, Hobbes, Spinoza, and the rest who follow. But it’s a long argument ill-suited to be captured here in blog comments.

I can point to work on it though, fairly accessible even. Heck, I’ll go pull a link: here’s Allan Bloom (part I, part II should be featured adjacent to it) — https://youtu.be/HgDRS9f7z2I?si=Jxit1k7Rd_IoscVM

Then there’s Leo Strauss’ book “Thoughts On Machiavelli”; and following him, Harvey Mansfield’s works on Machiavelli (translations and commentaries). Mansfield also has been captured on videos to be found on YouTube, if you search.

]]> By: huxley https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/21/the-selling-of-kamala-part-ii-the-obamas-help-create-the-narrative-at-the-dnc/#comment-2757633 Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:53:47 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=136362#comment-2757633 Of course as a professional liar Alinsky was lying about Machiavelli.

sdferr:

How so?

As I read “The Prince” it seemed very much about enabling The Prince to hold on to power.

]]> By: Mike Plaiss https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/21/the-selling-of-kamala-part-ii-the-obamas-help-create-the-narrative-at-the-dnc/#comment-2757632 Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:49:56 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=136362#comment-2757632 I myself knew Communists who even after the fall of the USSR never lost faith.

I remember at the time thinking how wonderful it was that the Soviet Union collapsed, instead of being defeated militarily or something. This, I thought, would so thoroughly discredit communism that maybe the world could truly move on from it. Wow was I wrong.

]]> By: sdferr https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/21/the-selling-of-kamala-part-ii-the-obamas-help-create-the-narrative-at-the-dnc/#comment-2757623 Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:58:02 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=136362#comment-2757623 Of course as a professional liar Alinsky was lying about Machiavelli. Or else he’d have to be charged with a simpleton’s stupidity. Of the two, I’d reckon Alinsky would cop to lying. But there you go.

]]> By: miguel cervantes https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/21/the-selling-of-kamala-part-ii-the-obamas-help-create-the-narrative-at-the-dnc/#comment-2757619 Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:38:39 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=136362#comment-2757619 of course even in that description Alinsky lies, the Prince is as much about the power of the borgias over the other families, like the Forzas, as it is over the common people, yes alinsky was probably more social democracy then Leninist but I couldn’t vouch for that,

the latest iteration of Cobra, the dramatic series which aspired to be Trollope for this generation, leans heavily on the virtue of a group like Extinction Rebellion, although the
leadership will be revealed as corrupt, Carlyles Sutherland is the Tory standin, who seems to have suffered two calamities, first the Carrington event, then a natural disaster and cyber attack the man seems to be cursed,a stock Arab princess, has defected over to the group, of course one of thedemonstrations go horribly awry

it does highlight the mindset that is operative at the BBC with their bete noire,
and their pet causes, like the skydragon hustle,

]]> By: neo https://thenewneo.com/2024/08/21/the-selling-of-kamala-part-ii-the-obamas-help-create-the-narrative-at-the-dnc/#comment-2757617 Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:27:47 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=136362#comment-2757617 Dax:

Alinsky was not religious. The description by huxley is apt.

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