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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think past experience with Napoleon, would have suggested not to engage in such an enterprise, but the logic of Hitler&#039;s reasoning, as expressed in Mein Kampf and other places made it almost inevitable, without Lend Lease, without the appearance of General Winter he have prevailed, a scenario suggested by Robert Harris in Fatherland, backstory, 

I guess it depends on the weight and the nature of the evidence, Victor Suvorov nee Razin the one who gave us the look at the Spetznaz has a similar view to McMeekin if memory served, I give him props for dismantling some of the premises that John Reed put forward in earlier work, that China Mieville still falls for, hes&#039; more a science fiction writer, but with this odd delusion about Leninism, hes got this later Highlanderesque mystery with Keanu Reeves,

wars in the Steppes have often been brutal the First World War as with the Second, the
Eastern Front did crush both Armies in point of fact, in the previous encounter,

Gehlen the intel mastermind, undeterred by the most recent outing, did not consider it impossible to engage in such folly neither did Patton, who was taken out of the picture to prevent such an occurance,

On a different plane, certainly Lemay was not deterred by what confronting the Rodina would entail although this time with air power,

Brendan Dubois who has found himself in a quandary of later, paints LeMay as a villain if the Cuban Missile Crisis had gone awry,of course peter george of red alert already had that view of Lemay, as General Ripper]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think past experience with Napoleon, would have suggested not to engage in such an enterprise, but the logic of Hitler&#8217;s reasoning, as expressed in Mein Kampf and other places made it almost inevitable, without Lend Lease, without the appearance of General Winter he have prevailed, a scenario suggested by Robert Harris in Fatherland, backstory, </p>
<p>I guess it depends on the weight and the nature of the evidence, Victor Suvorov nee Razin the one who gave us the look at the Spetznaz has a similar view to McMeekin if memory served, I give him props for dismantling some of the premises that John Reed put forward in earlier work, that China Mieville still falls for, hes&#8217; more a science fiction writer, but with this odd delusion about Leninism, hes got this later Highlanderesque mystery with Keanu Reeves,</p>
<p>wars in the Steppes have often been brutal the First World War as with the Second, the<br />
Eastern Front did crush both Armies in point of fact, in the previous encounter,</p>
<p>Gehlen the intel mastermind, undeterred by the most recent outing, did not consider it impossible to engage in such folly neither did Patton, who was taken out of the picture to prevent such an occurance,</p>
<p>On a different plane, certainly Lemay was not deterred by what confronting the Rodina would entail although this time with air power,</p>
<p>Brendan Dubois who has found himself in a quandary of later, paints LeMay as a villain if the Cuban Missile Crisis had gone awry,of course peter george of red alert already had that view of Lemay, as General Ripper</p>
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		By: IrishOtter49		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2024 17:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am very, VERY wary of self-proclaimed &quot;revisionist histories.&quot; I usually find the best-written ones interesting but flawed, sometimes exceedingly so. In particular most overstate their case and to that end do a lot of cherry picking of facts and information, and this gets them into trouble. I&#039;m especially put off by David Stahel&#039;s book about Operation Barbarossa and the war on the Eastern Front overall. In his estimation the German were doomed from the start: defeat was a foregone conclusion. I disagree strongly with this. Evidently Stalin did as well: even as late as early 1944, when he was relentless in advocating a Second Front in Western Europe (because he was concerned about Red Army&#039;s losses, the Soviet economy, and the Wehmacht&#039;s continued resilience and lethality), he was putting out feelers through neutral parties to secure an armistice with Nazi Germany.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very, VERY wary of self-proclaimed &#8220;revisionist histories.&#8221; I usually find the best-written ones interesting but flawed, sometimes exceedingly so. In particular most overstate their case and to that end do a lot of cherry picking of facts and information, and this gets them into trouble. I&#8217;m especially put off by David Stahel&#8217;s book about Operation Barbarossa and the war on the Eastern Front overall. In his estimation the German were doomed from the start: defeat was a foregone conclusion. I disagree strongly with this. Evidently Stalin did as well: even as late as early 1944, when he was relentless in advocating a Second Front in Western Europe (because he was concerned about Red Army&#8217;s losses, the Soviet economy, and the Wehmacht&#8217;s continued resilience and lethality), he was putting out feelers through neutral parties to secure an armistice with Nazi Germany.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2024 17:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think they protest too much
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54815264-stalin-s-war

i understand it is easy to get caught up in the &#039;wllderness of mirrors&#039; a line that david martin relayed about angleton, something littell sort of wrestled with,

in the aftermath of the ames and hanson revelations, the Company seemed to have engaged in another wild goose chase, that left most of the analytical capacities damaged re Putin the Khozayin, having seen Stalin with rosey eyed spectacles, the ones who looked into Putin, I think generously overcorrected, so it&#039;s been a cavalcare of horror stories which help inflate his ego, but little understanding of the man, like Phillip Short has done, so fraudsters like Danchenko and Steele became the Mariners,
unlike say Tretyakov and Gordievsky, to relate too guides into the previous generation,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they protest too much<br />
<a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54815264-stalin-s-war" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54815264-stalin-s-war</a></p>
<p>i understand it is easy to get caught up in the &#8216;wllderness of mirrors&#8217; a line that david martin relayed about angleton, something littell sort of wrestled with,</p>
<p>in the aftermath of the ames and hanson revelations, the Company seemed to have engaged in another wild goose chase, that left most of the analytical capacities damaged re Putin the Khozayin, having seen Stalin with rosey eyed spectacles, the ones who looked into Putin, I think generously overcorrected, so it&#8217;s been a cavalcare of horror stories which help inflate his ego, but little understanding of the man, like Phillip Short has done, so fraudsters like Danchenko and Steele became the Mariners,<br />
unlike say Tretyakov and Gordievsky, to relate too guides into the previous generation,</p>
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		By: Mike Plaiss		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2024 16:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’m all for these revisionist histories. Once one has a solid knowledge of WWII, pair up McMeekin’s &lt;i&gt;Stalin’s War&lt;/i&gt; with Hasegawa’s &lt;i&gt; Racing the Enemy: Stalin, Truman, and the Surrender of Japan&lt;/i&gt; and your mind will be thoroughly blown - in a good way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m all for these revisionist histories. Once one has a solid knowledge of WWII, pair up McMeekin’s <i>Stalin’s War</i> with Hasegawa’s <i> Racing the Enemy: Stalin, Truman, and the Surrender of Japan</i> and your mind will be thoroughly blown &#8211; in a good way.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2024 16:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[corrrection, 

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25940894-on-stalin-s-team

now it&#039;s a tragic circumstance that applebaum as a popular historian has much of the story right, yet TDS has made her unreliable as a contemporary chronicler of events,

sometimes a certain distance in necessary, hopefully strobe talbott&#039;s codswallop at the Service of fixers like Victor Louis, are not relied as a dutiful account of say the 1980s,
or say Frances Fitzgerald, but we can&#039;t rely on that assurance,

Talbott who bought every soviet trope, the later tretyakov had a wry chuckle about this matter, who then styled himself the Mariner about the time of Orange Man, his relatives like Cody Shearer were messengers for the worst sort of fraud, parallel to the Steele Dossier, which they sold to the Company and later the Times, without any trace of shame,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>corrrection, </p>
<p><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25940894-on-stalin-s-team" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25940894-on-stalin-s-team</a></p>
<p>now it&#8217;s a tragic circumstance that applebaum as a popular historian has much of the story right, yet TDS has made her unreliable as a contemporary chronicler of events,</p>
<p>sometimes a certain distance in necessary, hopefully strobe talbott&#8217;s codswallop at the Service of fixers like Victor Louis, are not relied as a dutiful account of say the 1980s,<br />
or say Frances Fitzgerald, but we can&#8217;t rely on that assurance,</p>
<p>Talbott who bought every soviet trope, the later tretyakov had a wry chuckle about this matter, who then styled himself the Mariner about the time of Orange Man, his relatives like Cody Shearer were messengers for the worst sort of fraud, parallel to the Steele Dossier, which they sold to the Company and later the Times, without any trace of shame,</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2024 16:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[in so far as Stalin targeted the Social Democrats, since the Catholic Center had collapsed he brought the Nazis to power, furthermore he allowed the Wehmacht to train on Soviet soil at least till 1937, now the Abwehr gifted him the contacts of those top officers on the Soviet Staff, hence the purge, which he used as a pretext, the Nazis were the pretext to collect the low hanging fruit of Western intelligentsia, not only the Cambridge 5 

we see the role that Anthony Blunt had in say operation market garden, and how many decades has it taken us to realize that,but analogs in this country, like Michael Straight, the Morgan heir, who ended up editor of the New Republic into the Cold War 

that part isn&#039;t arguable, as to the particulars of his strategy, well that part we can debate, the grand guignol of what happened to who was related by curzio malaparte, almost contemporaneously, a recent translation,

now this might seem ancient history, but as Keynes spoke about ancient dogmas driving modern policy, these relativist historian
have shaped modern view of Soviet behavior
I speak of the likes of Fitzgerald who comes to mind, given too much credence, btim I mean energy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in so far as Stalin targeted the Social Democrats, since the Catholic Center had collapsed he brought the Nazis to power, furthermore he allowed the Wehmacht to train on Soviet soil at least till 1937, now the Abwehr gifted him the contacts of those top officers on the Soviet Staff, hence the purge, which he used as a pretext, the Nazis were the pretext to collect the low hanging fruit of Western intelligentsia, not only the Cambridge 5 </p>
<p>we see the role that Anthony Blunt had in say operation market garden, and how many decades has it taken us to realize that,but analogs in this country, like Michael Straight, the Morgan heir, who ended up editor of the New Republic into the Cold War </p>
<p>that part isn&#8217;t arguable, as to the particulars of his strategy, well that part we can debate, the grand guignol of what happened to who was related by curzio malaparte, almost contemporaneously, a recent translation,</p>
<p>now this might seem ancient history, but as Keynes spoke about ancient dogmas driving modern policy, these relativist historian<br />
have shaped modern view of Soviet behavior<br />
I speak of the likes of Fitzgerald who comes to mind, given too much credence, btim I mean energy</p>
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		By: Mike Plaiss		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2024 16:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do have one caveat in recommending the book. As the author writes of events, he is clearly playing off of those things that “everybody knows”. But what if a given reader doesn’t know? Even outside the holocaust, Nazi atrocities were shocking, but an uninformed reader might come away thinking the Soviets were the only ones committing them. This should NOT be anyone’s introduction into the history of WWII. It is, after all, subtitled “A New History of World War II”. It is unapologetically a revisionist history and should be taken as such.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have one caveat in recommending the book. As the author writes of events, he is clearly playing off of those things that “everybody knows”. But what if a given reader doesn’t know? Even outside the holocaust, Nazi atrocities were shocking, but an uninformed reader might come away thinking the Soviets were the only ones committing them. This should NOT be anyone’s introduction into the history of WWII. It is, after all, subtitled “A New History of World War II”. It is unapologetically a revisionist history and should be taken as such.</p>
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		By: Mike Plaiss		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’d agree with IrishOtter49. I love the style of historical writing - state a premise, and go about making your case for it. There is no way to &lt;i&gt;prove&lt;/i&gt; McMeekin’s premise - that Stalin was as much, or perhaps even more, of a catalyst for the events of WWII than Hitler.

Ultimately I just think he comes up short in making that case, but that doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile. The book seems extraordinarily well researched. I thought I knew a lot about Lend-Lease, but I had no idea the scope and the details. And the book is full of tidbits like the one I already referenced.

David Harsanyi reviewed it for the Federalist, loved it and said, “&lt;i&gt; I doubt anyone who reads it will think about the Second World War in the same way.&lt;/i&gt;”  I agree.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d agree with IrishOtter49. I love the style of historical writing &#8211; state a premise, and go about making your case for it. There is no way to <i>prove</i> McMeekin’s premise &#8211; that Stalin was as much, or perhaps even more, of a catalyst for the events of WWII than Hitler.</p>
<p>Ultimately I just think he comes up short in making that case, but that doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile. The book seems extraordinarily well researched. I thought I knew a lot about Lend-Lease, but I had no idea the scope and the details. And the book is full of tidbits like the one I already referenced.</p>
<p>David Harsanyi reviewed it for the Federalist, loved it and said, “<i> I doubt anyone who reads it will think about the Second World War in the same way.</i>”  I agree.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; did he take Wallace or McGovern as his role model for the former&lt;/i&gt;
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Guessing the character was a composite.  One inspiration may have been Robert W. Kenny, once Attorney-General of California.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> did he take Wallace or McGovern as his role model for the former</i><br />
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Guessing the character was a composite.  One inspiration may have been Robert W. Kenny, once Attorney-General of California.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[the Mudzik was not perfect by any means, but most who were tasked to determine his motivations were woefully out of their depth, even decades later, Pipes probably had the best grasp on the whole top ruling circle, what the top Sovietologist though they knew was disturbingly off the mark too many clown shoes to count them all, Gareth Jones whose career was all too short, dissidents like Conquest and co, Muggeridge, and the latest generation of scholars are probably even worse,

it was then, an undiscovered country, &#039;a mystery wrapped inside an enigma&#039; but after the 90s, there is no excuse for getting him wrong

where do you think McMeekin was most off in the big picture,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Mudzik was not perfect by any means, but most who were tasked to determine his motivations were woefully out of their depth, even decades later, Pipes probably had the best grasp on the whole top ruling circle, what the top Sovietologist though they knew was disturbingly off the mark too many clown shoes to count them all, Gareth Jones whose career was all too short, dissidents like Conquest and co, Muggeridge, and the latest generation of scholars are probably even worse,</p>
<p>it was then, an undiscovered country, &#8216;a mystery wrapped inside an enigma&#8217; but after the 90s, there is no excuse for getting him wrong</p>
<p>where do you think McMeekin was most off in the big picture,</p>
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