I see Walz as a teacher who liked faculty meetings and teachers’ union meetings and party precinct meetings so much that he thinks a whole society can be enjoyably run by committee, perhaps because it would be a society run by people like him. Oscar Wilde, who liked socialism (if he wasn’t being tongue in cheek), said that the final objection to it is that it would take up too many evenings. That’s apparently not a problem for Tim Walz. Harris is the sorority girl who likes the giggly office girls club, but she actually has a hard time getting along with staffers from what I understand.

There is never a shortage of people that wish to impose their world view upon the citizenry.
Then again, he represents the mainstream thinking of today’s demokrat party.
JFK would not be welcome today in the democrat party.

Definitely fits me. Trump is a very flawed instrument, but there is at the moment no other. The circumstances that brought Trump to the top of the Republican ticket took many years to manifest and were not of his making. Had the Butler rally turned out differently the placeholder Republican would now be the new Hitler-in-waiting. The media just slots them into ready-made narratives and is not ashamed to retail complete fiction. (DeSantis has already been depicted, by name, as a gay rapist by Paramount.)

But Bauxite is not interested in your reasons or mine, he’s decided we’re under a spell and nothing we say could possibly be relevant. He keeps telling me I’m wrong about what he says, and then in the next sentence or two he says again the things I describe him as saying.

Alternative reality reigns supreme in CC™ world.

Is it accumulated Traumatic Brain Injury from walking off all those cliffs, CC™?

Bauxite:

I’m not sure who you are talking about, but I hope you would notice that many here could most accurately be called Reluctant Trump Supporters.

I knew there was a risk of the Dems dumping Biden some time ago, as I suspect many of you here did as well, but there is no reason for alarm. The job is a little harder as it’s easier for the media to hide Kamala’s catastrophic/dangerous/unpopular positions than to hide Joe’s mental decline.

Once the Trump-Vance campaign breaks through the media wall exposing the Harris-Walz candidates for the marxist/socialist/woke frauds they are, Trump will win.

Well we walked off the McCain then Romney cliff. So we agree on something. Tired of walking off cliffs.

DeSantis, Vivek, Vance and Haley can duke it out in 2028.

That’s just emotional blackmail. I don’t hate them (or you). Not at all. But I’ve had more than enough of their pied piper and more than enough of walking off a cliff.

How do they win without Republicans? They didn’t win among Republicans.

You have this fantasy that someone can lose the primaries and win the general election…

when you speak of “the people,” you’re actually referring to a portion of the GOP base that is loyal to Trump personally.

Right there you admit it: you have a problem with the base.

Trump does not have Jedi mind tricks. There is a reason they are picking Trump. The GOP needs to listen to the people willing to vote for it or go extinct.

And you yourself are not willing to listen. You have not listened to people when they tell you why. You have chosen to ignore what they tell you and make up your own reason, which is that they are just chumps for Trump. And that’s why people like you are not a getting a hearing and not seeing your preferred candidates advance.

False. I can’t stand Trump the individual because of things about him that have almost nothing to do with his positions on the issues or his positioning vis-a-vis the “GOPe.” For example, I like JD Vance a lot. I am no fan of Jeb! I am still stunned that George W. Bush had so much support from the party, especially in 2000 primaries.

And when you speak of “the people,” you’re actually referring to a portion of the GOP base that is loyal to Trump personally. It may be a majority of the GOP, but it is not a majority of the country, not even close. A majority of the country rejects Trump. (https://elections2024.thehill.com/national/trump-favorability-rating/) Frankly, I don’t believe that it is because of the issues. I believe that Trump’s issues are more popular than progressive issues and could win majority support. And yet it is the GOP that is in danger of going extinct almost entirely because of the weakness of its messenger.

Brian E asks who else could have won. Haley, for one. DeSantis, for another (he was my preference). Haley and DeSantis are both disciplined enough to actually prosecute the case against Harris and Walz. (Vance can do it too, and does.) I think that the hardcore Trumpers who profess to hate Haley would have come home after the prospect of a Harris/Walz administration focused their minds. DeSantis probably would have had more challenges than Haley, but the man has a unique gift for cutting through the crap, explaining right-of-center policies, and explaining the problem with progressive policies in a way that is easy to understand. That’s pretty much exactly what is needed against Harris/Walz now, and it is also one of Donald Trump’s weakest points as a candidate.

And as to “they would have done it to any Repubulican” crowd. Well, the did “it” to Vance too. They . . . wait for it . . . made fun of his make up, called him weird, and made up a lie about unnatural relations with a couch. If you think that the “people” view that the same as exploiting the candidate’s alleged affair with a porn star or open attempts to reverse an election result, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Frankly, my concern is about what happens after the election. If Trump loses, which I think is a distinct possibility, I’m afraid that the GOP base is going to descend into another round of conspiracy theories about voter fraud instead of facing the cold, hard fact that voters outside that chunk of the GOP base just don’t want Donald Trump.