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		By: Richard+Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard+Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2024 01:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In various discussion groups where McMinn County is famously accused of &quot;banning&quot; Maus, I correct the record and provide search terms for independent checking.
The same for numerous other issues.
Not worth arguing with the liars.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In various discussion groups where McMinn County is famously accused of &#8220;banning&#8221; Maus, I correct the record and provide search terms for independent checking.<br />
The same for numerous other issues.<br />
Not worth arguing with the liars.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2024 12:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Rufus:&lt;i&gt;but the majority of people argue for stature, not truth. “What are the standards of the tribe or in-group I wish to be a member of?”&lt;/i&gt;

With the following consequence:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Arguments are soldiers. Once you know which side you’re on, you must support all arguments of that side, and attack all arguments that appear to favor the enemy side; otherwise it’s like stabbing your soldiers in the back. If you abide within that pattern, policy debates will also appear one-sided to you—the costs and drawbacks of your favored policy are enemy soldiers, to be attacked by any means necessary.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rufus:<i>but the majority of people argue for stature, not truth. “What are the standards of the tribe or in-group I wish to be a member of?”</i></p>
<p>With the following consequence:</p>
<blockquote><p>Arguments are soldiers. Once you know which side you’re on, you must support all arguments of that side, and attack all arguments that appear to favor the enemy side; otherwise it’s like stabbing your soldiers in the back. If you abide within that pattern, policy debates will also appear one-sided to you—the costs and drawbacks of your favored policy are enemy soldiers, to be attacked by any means necessary.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2024 11:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard and AesopFan,

&lt;i&gt;“There is an implicit understanding in arguments, mostly, that the one who brings out the truth will “win” in the sense that the other party will accept it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I used to believe that, but I no longer do. I operate that way, and I imagine most of the folks here do also, but the majority of people argue for stature, not truth.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;What are the standards of the tribe or in-group I wish to be a member of?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard and AesopFan,</p>
<p><i>“There is an implicit understanding in arguments, mostly, that the one who brings out the truth will “win” in the sense that the other party will accept it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I used to believe that, but I no longer do. I operate that way, and I imagine most of the folks here do also, but the majority of people argue for stature, not truth.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;What are the standards of the tribe or in-group I wish to be a member of?&#8221;</i></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2024 04:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Richard &#062; &quot;There is an implicit understanding in arguments, mostly, that the one who brings out the truth will “win” in the sense that the other party will accept it. So we keep at it, but that agreement is not in effect.&quot;

Absolutely correct.
How many times have we seen the Democrats and their Regime Media repeat over and over again allegations that have been proven false, over and over again?

That&#039;s like playing a football game against opponents who get to take the ball back to the center of the field every time we score against them, and never record our touchdowns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Richard &gt; &#8220;There is an implicit understanding in arguments, mostly, that the one who brings out the truth will “win” in the sense that the other party will accept it. So we keep at it, but that agreement is not in effect.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely correct.<br />
How many times have we seen the Democrats and their Regime Media repeat over and over again allegations that have been proven false, over and over again?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like playing a football game against opponents who get to take the ball back to the center of the field every time we score against them, and never record our touchdowns.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2024 03:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The left lies about words like &quot;ban&quot;... &quot;apartheid&quot;, and &quot;genocide&quot;, and many others as the need arises.
There are two goals; one is to fool the gullible.   The other is to keep those who know better tied up in a dishonest argument about actual definitions.

There is an implicit understanding in arguments, mostly, that the one who brings out the truth will &quot;win&quot; in the sense that the other party will accept it.  So we keep at it, but that agreement is not in effect.  They lie, shift, twist, and tie up the right in useless arguments.  Useless, because the left is lying, knows they lie and aren&#039;t going to stop just because somebody tried to &quot;correct&quot; their position.

Don&#039;t waste time on them.  Instead, prove to their potential audience what the truth is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left lies about words like &#8220;ban&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;apartheid&#8221;, and &#8220;genocide&#8221;, and many others as the need arises.<br />
There are two goals; one is to fool the gullible.   The other is to keep those who know better tied up in a dishonest argument about actual definitions.</p>
<p>There is an implicit understanding in arguments, mostly, that the one who brings out the truth will &#8220;win&#8221; in the sense that the other party will accept it.  So we keep at it, but that agreement is not in effect.  They lie, shift, twist, and tie up the right in useless arguments.  Useless, because the left is lying, knows they lie and aren&#8217;t going to stop just because somebody tried to &#8220;correct&#8221; their position.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t waste time on them.  Instead, prove to their potential audience what the truth is.</p>
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		By: John in Indy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John in Indy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2024 03:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Abortion and Dodd. 
The basic holding of Dodd was that the power to regulate abortion was not a power granted to the Fed Gov, and so, was one reserved to the individual States.
The RINO side of the Rs, particularly McConnell and a few slimeballs in the House gifted the issue of abortion to the Dems for the midterms by announcing their intent to do exactly what the Supreme Court said that they lacked the power to do, enact a Federal law regulating abortion.
Had the R Federal platform been &quot;not within the scope of Federal power&quot; it would never have been a viable election issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Abortion and Dodd.<br />
The basic holding of Dodd was that the power to regulate abortion was not a power granted to the Fed Gov, and so, was one reserved to the individual States.<br />
The RINO side of the Rs, particularly McConnell and a few slimeballs in the House gifted the issue of abortion to the Dems for the midterms by announcing their intent to do exactly what the Supreme Court said that they lacked the power to do, enact a Federal law regulating abortion.<br />
Had the R Federal platform been &#8220;not within the scope of Federal power&#8221; it would never have been a viable election issue.</p>
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		By: Susan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2024 01:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By this standard, one could say that Roe was a  24-week  (or six month) abortion ban.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By this standard, one could say that Roe was a  24-week  (or six month) abortion ban.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2024 22:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike+K: 
Jolly good for you! It is our moral duty as docs to try, try, try. 
As a young internist in a small town with a 9 bed hospital (!) many years ago, I worked my butt off trying to keep an elderly woman on warfarin, who forgot, took ASA, and had severe UGI bleeding, alive. 
She had many other active problems, like congestive heart failure, but I got here thru the weekend, converting her room into a mini-ICU. I signed off to my older partner Monday AM, and asked after her as our evening rounds began. He replied, &quot;Oh, she died&quot;. That was it. I guess my problem was that I never learned to quit trying, to just surrender. Death was NOT my friend!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike+K:<br />
Jolly good for you! It is our moral duty as docs to try, try, try.<br />
As a young internist in a small town with a 9 bed hospital (!) many years ago, I worked my butt off trying to keep an elderly woman on warfarin, who forgot, took ASA, and had severe UGI bleeding, alive.<br />
She had many other active problems, like congestive heart failure, but I got here thru the weekend, converting her room into a mini-ICU. I signed off to my older partner Monday AM, and asked after her as our evening rounds began. He replied, &#8220;Oh, she died&#8221;. That was it. I guess my problem was that I never learned to quit trying, to just surrender. Death was NOT my friend!</p>
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		By: Mc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2024 21:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s really just Common Sense Baby-Safety (tm) regulation. 

How can anyone be against keeping viable babies safe by just having a one-week waiting period between abortion and a potential viable-baby delivery date?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really just Common Sense Baby-Safety &#8482; regulation. </p>
<p>How can anyone be against keeping viable babies safe by just having a one-week waiting period between abortion and a potential viable-baby delivery date?</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2024 18:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;without specifying that the issue is ILLEGAL immigration.&lt;/i&gt;
==
By all means do whatever you can to suppress illegal immigration.  However, we would benefit from an overhaul of our legal and administrative regime regarding legal immigration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>without specifying that the issue is ILLEGAL immigration.</i><br />
==<br />
By all means do whatever you can to suppress illegal immigration.  However, we would benefit from an overhaul of our legal and administrative regime regarding legal immigration.</p>
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